(01-12-2022 10:24 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  P5 schools almost always want 7 home games. They make too much money on ticket sales and concessions to lose it. I thought this might happen. As far as the scheduling is crap it really isn’t. This is a tough one but that’s not on our AD (assuming we got paid for it). We would have had a P5 home game, a money game vs Miami, the away game for a H&H with Colorado St and then the last opening would have been filled with an FCS team. That is about as good as you can ask for prior to this crap sandwich of a move.

Yeah, if you don't get bought out you'd have had a fine schedule. That may have been our concern (not for '22 but for '23 in case Baylor bought out at the last second). No clear indication of what happened here yet, but that's one plausible reason.

Our '22 was going to be rough no matter what. We were going to Baylor and Clemson and USA with an FCS home game. We've arguably made it a little easier (but we've lost a home game with a P5 in '23 to do it).

Should see if Jacksonville State has an availability too. Might count as an FCS unless the NCAA would grant a waiver to count as an FBS, which sometimes they do.

(01-12-2022 11:20 AM)All4One Wrote:  Should see if Jacksonville State has an availability too. Might count as an FCS unless the NCAA would grant a waiver to count as an FBS, which sometimes they do.

Does not seem likely that Sam and Jacksonville St are on track to expedite the NCAA transition process in the same way that James Madison is.

The WAC is apparently releasing their football schedule today, not clear if that will just be league games or also include non-conference dates. We'll see and that'll tell us more about Sam Houston.

(01-12-2022 11:30 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:20 AM)All4One Wrote:  Should see if Jacksonville State has an availability too. Might count as an FCS unless the NCAA would grant a waiver to count as an FBS, which sometimes they do.

Does not seem likely that Sam and Jacksonville St are on track to expedite the NCAA transition process in the same way that James Madison is.

The WAC is apparently releasing their football schedule today, not clear if that will just be league games or also include non-conference dates. We'll see and that'll tell us more about Sam Houston.

Oh, I know, but I believe Middle Tennessee still needs two non-conference opponents. I'm saying they might be able to schedule Jacksonville State where it doesn't count as a conference game, but it might count as a FBS game with a waiver since next year should be a transition year for Jacksonville State.

(01-12-2022 02:58 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:30 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:20 AM)All4One Wrote:  Should see if Jacksonville State has an availability too. Might count as an FCS unless the NCAA would grant a waiver to count as an FBS, which sometimes they do.

Does not seem likely that Sam and Jacksonville St are on track to expedite the NCAA transition process in the same way that James Madison is.

The WAC is apparently releasing their football schedule today, not clear if that will just be league games or also include non-conference dates. We'll see and that'll tell us more about Sam Houston.

Oh, I know, but I believe Middle Tennessee still needs two non-conference opponents. I'm saying they might be able to schedule Jacksonville State where it doesn't count as a conference game, but it might count as a FBS game with a waiver since next year should be a transition year for Jacksonville State.

I would think that if either SHSU, JSU or JMU get counted as FBS then we will see one of them for a home game this year.

(01-12-2022 04:04 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I would think that if either SHSU, JSU or JMU get counted as FBS then we will see one of them for a home game this year.

Sam Houston's schedule is full -

Their out of conference is @ Texas A&M, home vs Northern Arizona, home vs Texas A&M-Commerce, @ Eastern Kentucky

The EKU is a new add for the Kats and surprised to see it; wonder if the contract includes some sort of 'return' as a FBS to FCS guarantee game?

(01-12-2022 05:02 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 04:04 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I would think that if either SHSU, JSU or JMU get counted as FBS then we will see one of them for a home game this year.

Sam Houston's schedule is full -

Their out of conference is @ Texas A&M, home vs Northern Arizona, home vs Texas A&M-Commerce, @ Eastern Kentucky

The EKU is a new add for the Kats and surprised to see it; wonder if the contract includes some sort of 'return' as a FBS to FCS guarantee game?

Yep, wouldn't be Sam. I believe Jacksonville State has only Tulsa and Murray State scheduled OOC so far.

(01-12-2022 05:17 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 05:02 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 04:04 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I would think that if either SHSU, JSU or JMU get counted as FBS then we will see one of them for a home game this year.

Sam Houston's schedule is full -

Their out of conference is @ Texas A&M, home vs Northern Arizona, home vs Texas A&M-Commerce, @ Eastern Kentucky

The EKU is a new add for the Kats and surprised to see it; wonder if the contract includes some sort of 'return' as a FBS to FCS guarantee game?

Yep, wouldn't be Sam. I believe Jacksonville State has only Tulsa and Murray State scheduled OOC so far.

If they were to count as an FBS the schedule they have now would be blown up. They’d essentially need a minimum of 8 FBS games to count.

One thing to consider too is should the teams headed to the Sun Belt leave in July, this causes all the East Division teams to lose two opponents while the West Division teams lose one.

I think it could be good if Liberty cancelled or deferred their road games this year against Southern Miss and Old Dominion to pick up Conference USA teams that will be struggling to fill a schedule. They have more wiggle room to do that with than New Mexico State.

(01-12-2022 09:16 PM)All4One Wrote:  One thing to consider too is should the teams headed to the Sun Belt leave in July, this causes all the East Division teams to lose two opponents while the West Division teams lose one.

I think it could be good if Liberty cancelled or deferred their road games this year against Southern Miss and Old Dominion to pick up Conference USA teams that will be struggling to fill a schedule. They have more wiggle room to do that with than New Mexico State.

UTEP would have been @ ODU and home to USM so 2 to replce. The 11 teams can shuffle schedules to fill them out.

Yeah, we've done the awful weird number thing before when UAB was screwing around. It sucks but you just re-do the conference schedule.

Be weird to have shared a conference with ODU for like 10 years without hosting their football team. But I'm still hoping this is delayed.

Missouri fans sure are arrogant pieces of s*** for a school with the second worst football team in the SEC.

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Hearing MTSU is only getting a paltry $800,000 from Missouri to cancel the pending ass-whipping they had coming to them in 2022. La Tech is only getting $500,000 so Missouri's self-entitled SEC program can have seven home games and help podunk Columbia's struggling economy.

(01-11-2022 10:43 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 01:32 PM)BaylorHistory Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 01:01 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  ...Assuming Baylor wasn't going to just buy it out.

We haven't really bought out of our away G5 games in the past.

2021 @ Texas State
2019 @ Rice
2018 @ UTSA
2016 @ Rice
2015 @ SMU
2014 @ Buffalo
2012 @ UL-Monroe

We already have Utah and Texas State on the schedule for home games in 2023 too so we "need" a road game. Maybe we can just a do a home/home with MTSU?

UNT has a home and home series with Baylor for the '28 & '29 seasons. Baylor isn't going to try and back out of those games are they?

My bank account looks nothing like Mack Rhodes' but he's always said (including this week on a radio segment) that he wants 1P5, 1G5, and 1 FCS per year as long as the Big 12 plays 9 games. Now if we switch back to 8 then you have to find another P5 or G5 team every year. Baylor isn't in the position where we can pay to have G5 teams in house every year. We live on the 2 for 1 or H/H.

(01-12-2022 11:05 PM)All4One Wrote:  Hearing MTSU is only getting a paltry $800,000 from Missouri to cancel the pending ass-whipping they had coming to them in 2022. La Tech is only getting $500,000 so Missouri's self-entitled SEC program can have seven home games and help podunk Columbia's struggling economy.

Why is LaTech taking on two away games for no return from a SEC school for only 500k a game? The going rate is 1.5m and up for a SEC money game. At 500k they could make more with a home game, you'd think?

(01-13-2022 04:58 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:05 PM)All4One Wrote:  Hearing MTSU is only getting a paltry $800,000 from Missouri to cancel the pending ass-whipping they had coming to them in 2022. La Tech is only getting $500,000 so Missouri's self-entitled SEC program can have seven home games and help podunk Columbia's struggling economy.

Why is LaTech taking on two away games for no return from a SEC school for only 500k a game? The going rate is 1.5m and up for a SEC money game. At 500k they could make more with a home game, you'd think?

I think it was a "mutual decision" for whatever that's worth. Short of a FOIA I don't know that we'll ever really know, but I assume it was a combination of Baylor looking for some flexibility in 2023 and Tech looking for 2 paydays instead of a one-for-one.

I'm disappointed myself. And a little confused based on our stated scheduling goals. But in my experience the facts about this kind of thing don't usually come out unless you've got a beat writer with an axe to grind, or one particularly upset athletic department scorching the earth. Neither seems to apply here, so I doubt we ever get the whole story (which I assume is pretty benign anyway).

(01-13-2022 04:58 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:05 PM)All4One Wrote:  Hearing MTSU is only getting a paltry $800,000 from Missouri to cancel the pending ass-whipping they had coming to them in 2022. La Tech is only getting $500,000 so Missouri's self-entitled SEC program can have seven home games and help podunk Columbia's struggling economy.

Why is LaTech taking on two away games for no return from a SEC school for only 500k a game? The going rate is 1.5m and up for a SEC money game. At 500k they could make more with a home game, you'd think?

That's a dang good question. $500K for an $EC school in what amounts to a guarantee is significantly low, and since Missouri is breaking their contracted 2-for-1 series with the Blue Raiders, it seems to me that their 2023 game at Missouri should essentially become a guarantee, and if they choose to keep it, then MTSU should ask for no less than $2 Million for the guarantee on top of the $800k cancelation fee for the 2022 game given the scheduling screw-over Mizzou pulled here.

Although I do have a theory. Missouri is SEC in name and affiliation only. Otherwise they are nothing short of a cheapskate Power 5 school that is unwilling to deal justly with their scheduling partners.

(01-12-2022 11:05 PM)All4One Wrote:  Hearing MTSU is only getting a paltry $800,000 from Missouri to cancel the pending ass-whipping they had coming to them in 2022. La Tech is only getting $500,000 so Missouri's self-entitled SEC program can have seven home games and help podunk Columbia's struggling economy.

Maybe MT wanted it that way so the President could continue his lavish lifestyle on the taxpayer dime, under-the-table athletics and China money. Heard UT-knox folks in the state legislature are about to extend his contract once again (w/ huge bonus and raise).

Heard just his personal food bill is through the roof (personal chef, lobster, caviar, crates of organic baby greens).

On road trips, 'Ole 7-Wood will never carry his own bag -- loves to be waited on. Doesn't pay for anything, won't even tip the guys that valet his car at athletics events.

(01-13-2022 05:59 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 04:58 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:05 PM)All4One Wrote:  Hearing MTSU is only getting a paltry $800,000 from Missouri to cancel the pending ass-whipping they had coming to them in 2022. La Tech is only getting $500,000 so Missouri's self-entitled SEC program can have seven home games and help podunk Columbia's struggling economy.

Why is LaTech taking on two away games for no return from a SEC school for only 500k a game? The going rate is 1.5m and up for a SEC money game. At 500k they could make more with a home game, you'd think?

I think it was a "mutual decision" for whatever that's worth. Short of a FOIA I don't know that we'll ever really know, but I assume it was a combination of Baylor looking for some flexibility in 2023 and Tech looking for 2 paydays instead of a one-for-one.

I'm disappointed myself. And a little confused based on our stated scheduling goals. But in my experience the facts about this kind of thing don't usually come out unless you've got a beat writer with an axe to grind, or one particularly upset athletic department scorching the earth. Neither seems to apply here, so I doubt we ever get the whole story (which I assume is pretty benign anyway).

Did we get anything else out of this deal with Missouri? It would make more sense if we got H-H series in basketball and baseball out of it also. Put me in the disappointed camp as well.

(01-14-2022 09:34 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 05:59 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 04:58 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:05 PM)All4One Wrote:  Hearing MTSU is only getting a paltry $800,000 from Missouri to cancel the pending ass-whipping they had coming to them in 2022. La Tech is only getting $500,000 so Missouri's self-entitled SEC program can have seven home games and help podunk Columbia's struggling economy.

Why is LaTech taking on two away games for no return from a SEC school for only 500k a game? The going rate is 1.5m and up for a SEC money game. At 500k they could make more with a home game, you'd think?

I think it was a "mutual decision" for whatever that's worth. Short of a FOIA I don't know that we'll ever really know, but I assume it was a combination of Baylor looking for some flexibility in 2023 and Tech looking for 2 paydays instead of a one-for-one.

I'm disappointed myself. And a little confused based on our stated scheduling goals. But in my experience the facts about this kind of thing don't usually come out unless you've got a beat writer with an axe to grind, or one particularly upset athletic department scorching the earth. Neither seems to apply here, so I doubt we ever get the whole story (which I assume is pretty benign anyway).

Did we get anything else out of this deal with Missouri? It would make more sense if we got H-H series in basketball and baseball out of it also. Put me in the disappointed camp as well.

Yeah, otherwise I don't understand why LaTech would agree to this. There are teams equal to Missouri in football (lower level P5) that are closer to Tech and would pay more for a guarantee game.