I think the B1G already crapped the bed when they let the SEC secure UT & OU. The B1G should have done everything to get those two, including letting them bring any two partners those two wanted to come to the league.

They were tv blue bloods and controlled the all important recruiting access to Texas that the B1G dearly needed. The SEC simply controls too many recruiting grounds. UT & OU at least would have planted the B1G in the Dallas Fort Worth area and probably could have added someone to include the Houston area.

The two remaining options to increase recruiting is adding California access or adding NC & Va. NC & Va. are nice recruiting grounds but pale in comparison to Texas.

I think its a losing battle now.

(02-17-2022 01:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  I think the B1G already crapped the bed when they let the SEC secure UT & OU. The B1G should have done everything to get those two, including letting them bring any two partners those two wanted to come to the league.

They were tv blue bloods and controlled the all important recruiting access to Texas that the B1G dearly needed. The SEC simply controls too many recruiting grounds. UT & OU at least would have planted the B1G in the Dallas Fort Worth area and probably could have added someone to include the Houston area.

The two remaining options to increase recruiting is adding California access or adding NC & Va. NC & Va. are nice recruiting grounds but pale in comparison to Texas.

I think its a losing battle now.

I really think they should have gone after Oklahoma and Kansas as a pair and then let Texas gauge if they wanted in too. Too late for all of that now.

(02-19-2022 03:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  I think the B1G already crapped the bed when they let the SEC secure UT & OU. The B1G should have done everything to get those two, including letting them bring any two partners those two wanted to come to the league.

They were tv blue bloods and controlled the all important recruiting access to Texas that the B1G dearly needed. The SEC simply controls too many recruiting grounds. UT & OU at least would have planted the B1G in the Dallas Fort Worth area and probably could have added someone to include the Houston area.

The two remaining options to increase recruiting is adding California access or adding NC & Va. NC & Va. are nice recruiting grounds but pale in comparison to Texas.

I think its a losing battle now.

I really think they should have gone after Oklahoma and Kansas as a pair and then let Texas gauge if they wanted in too. Too late for all of that now.

If Oklahoma and Texas were willing to go to the SEC alone, why wouldn't they go to the Big Ten alone and why would the Big Ten need Kansas then? You don't add Oklahoma and Kansas only to gauge Texas. Did the SEC?

(02-17-2022 01:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  I think the B1G already crapped the bed when they let the SEC secure UT & OU. The B1G should have done everything to get those two, including letting them bring any two partners those two wanted to come to the league.

They were tv blue bloods and controlled the all important recruiting access to Texas that the B1G dearly needed. The SEC simply controls too many recruiting grounds. UT & OU at least would have planted the B1G in the Dallas Fort Worth area and probably could have added someone to include the Houston area.

The two remaining options to increase recruiting is adding California access or adding NC & Va. NC & Va. are nice recruiting grounds but pale in comparison to Texas.

I think its a losing battle now.

The SEC had a better plan. They're called LSU, TAMU, Arky, Mizzou, Alabama, Georgia and Florida. Plus they save on travel over the long run.

The bigger problem for the B1G is that it is a conference that is very content in allowing the "perfect" to be the enemy of the "good", passing up opportunities to add in new fanbases, geographical areas and regional brands because they were not "perfect fits". They've chased after the Domers for years, when any discerning person understands that they'd be constantly rejected. The push East was panned by traditional fans because they were not "home run adds", even though it made money for the conference.

Meanwhile, the SEC's pitch is much simpler: they had natural recruiting base to sustain multiple programs; the adds have to enhance the academic reputation but not necessarily have to be elite level; once a new program is added they're welcomed in as if they were already members of the family.

On the "Alliance" thing: that should have been a prelude to a partial merger of conferences that share a vision for college sports. Instead, it looks to be a temporary arrangement over a conflict about playoff expansion, with no indication that it would be much deeper than that. The only way we can compete with the SEC is through going national. Unfortunately, I'm in the minority on this point.

(02-20-2022 07:31 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 03:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  I think the B1G already crapped the bed when they let the SEC secure UT & OU. The B1G should have done everything to get those two, including letting them bring any two partners those two wanted to come to the league.

They were tv blue bloods and controlled the all important recruiting access to Texas that the B1G dearly needed. The SEC simply controls too many recruiting grounds. UT & OU at least would have planted the B1G in the Dallas Fort Worth area and probably could have added someone to include the Houston area.

The two remaining options to increase recruiting is adding California access or adding NC & Va. NC & Va. are nice recruiting grounds but pale in comparison to Texas.

I think its a losing battle now.

I really think they should have gone after Oklahoma and Kansas as a pair and then let Texas gauge if they wanted in too. Too late for all of that now.

If Oklahoma and Texas were willing to go to the SEC alone, why wouldn't they go to the Big Ten alone and why would the Big Ten need Kansas then? You don't add Oklahoma and Kansas only to gauge Texas. Did the SEC?

Because the SEC had regional rivalries already in place by having Arkansas & Texas A&M and to a lesser extent Missouri for OU. UT regains what use to be their #2 & #3 rivalry games each season.

The B1G had none of that for UT. While restoring OU vs Neb. would have been great Nebraska's lack of recruiting grounds pushes that rivalry down the chain unfortunately for CFB.

(04-20-2022 02:17 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 07:31 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 03:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:32 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  I think the B1G already crapped the bed when they let the SEC secure UT & OU. The B1G should have done everything to get those two, including letting them bring any two partners those two wanted to come to the league.

They were tv blue bloods and controlled the all important recruiting access to Texas that the B1G dearly needed. The SEC simply controls too many recruiting grounds. UT & OU at least would have planted the B1G in the Dallas Fort Worth area and probably could have added someone to include the Houston area.

The two remaining options to increase recruiting is adding California access or adding NC & Va. NC & Va. are nice recruiting grounds but pale in comparison to Texas.

I think its a losing battle now.

I really think they should have gone after Oklahoma and Kansas as a pair and then let Texas gauge if they wanted in too. Too late for all of that now.

If Oklahoma and Texas were willing to go to the SEC alone, why wouldn't they go to the Big Ten alone and why would the Big Ten need Kansas then? You don't add Oklahoma and Kansas only to gauge Texas. Did the SEC?

Because the SEC had regional rivalries already in place by having Arkansas & Texas A&M and to a lesser extent Missouri for OU. UT regains what use to be their #2 & #3 rivalry games each season.

The B1G had none of that for UT. While restoring OU vs Neb. would have been great Nebraska's lack of recruiting grounds pushes that rivalry down the chain unfortunately for CFB.

Agreed. The SEC has been building a home for Texas for many years. They knew that OU would follow the Longhorns, too.

It will be interesting to see if the SEC makes one "final" move and gobble up the best ACC programs once the GOR expires. Not that it needs any more quality or revenue...but just a coup de grace that will leave no doubt about who THE conference is and lock the B1G completely out of the South. It would make for a bigger than ideal conference but might be worth the long-term benefit. And perhaps they'd try to shed some of their dead weight at some point, if they had the legal means to do so.

Well, the Big Ten made one HUGE power move. Is there another shoe to drop? Washington and Oregon? Notre Dame? Colorado?

What happens to Stanford and Cal?

(07-01-2022 12:01 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Well, the Big Ten made one HUGE power move. Is there another shoe to drop? Washington and Oregon? Notre Dame? Colorado?

What happens to Stanford and Cal?

I’d rather go stanford, Oregon and Washington in that order. If they’re gonna plant a flag on the west, why not take all of it.