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Pro football at the college level - Ugh
How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat? How many of their seniors will end up in the pros next year? What has happened to college athletics? How much are college football coaches really worth? Should they be the highest paid employees of the school? Has this gotten out of control? You decide. Maybe the answer is to stop at conference championship games and not have a national champion as such.
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(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat? How many of their seniors will end up in the pros next year? What has happened to college athletics? How much are college coaches really worth? Should they be the highest paid employees of the school? Has this gotten out of control? You decide.

Even the greatest college football teams could never beat a pro team. Remember that even guys at the bottom of the depth chart in the NFL were top line players in college and/or are insane athletes.

I don't think that it's gotten out of control at all. So many fans complain about how it was supposedly purer back in the day... but it never was. It was a fallacy. No one should know that more than SMU (see the 1980s).

If the college sports industrial complex is worth billions of dollars, then it stands to reason that the coaches and players should be compensated accordingly. No one seems to have a problem with this in any other industry in America. I'm not sure why college sports would be an exception to that rule.
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The 0-16 Lions in 2008 and Browns in 2017 would beat any undefeated college team. It would be a complete smackdown. Even if the college team had better talent in some areas, the physicality of the NFL (size, speed, strength) would annihilate the teenagers and low-20-somethings. Not to mention pride - there’s no way a pro team would let a college team even come close.
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My only beef (as I've seen listed other places) was with the start time. Why not do it on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? With the longer NFL season it would just be up against week 18 and not playoff games. I went to bed not long after the 3rd quarter started. Would have liked to watch more, but I can't be a zombie at work the next day.
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(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  Maybe the answer is to stop at conference championship games and not have a national champion as such.

Every conference (including the AAC) is free to make that very decision.

How do you think it would go over with coaches, players, recruits and fans (not to mention those administrators and accountants who wonder what happened to their share of the CFP money)?
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(01-11-2022 10:36 AM)Chappy Wrote:  My only beef (as I've seen listed other places) was with the start time. Why not do it on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? With the longer NFL season it would just be up against week 18 and not playoff games. I went to bed not long after the 3rd quarter started. Would have liked to watch more, but I can't be a zombie at work the next day.

because the NFL is the absolute king of the food chain. NFL week 18 will get boffo ratings.
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(01-11-2022 10:24 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat? How many of their seniors will end up in the pros next year? What has happened to college athletics? How much are college coaches really worth? Should they be the highest paid employees of the school? Has this gotten out of control? You decide.

Even the greatest college football teams could never beat a pro team. Remember that even guys at the bottom of the depth chart in the NFL were top line players in college and/or are insane athletes.

I don't think that it's gotten out of control at all. So many fans complain about how it was supposedly purer back in the day... but it never was. It was a fallacy. No one should know that more than SMU (see the 1980s).

If the college sports industrial complex is worth billions of dollars, then it stands to reason that the coaches and players should be compensated accordingly. No one seems to have a problem with this in any other industry in America. I'm not sure why college sports would be an exception to that rule.

This x100. The very best college team would get DESTROYED by the very worst NFL team, and it wouldn't be very close.
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(01-11-2022 10:36 AM)Chappy Wrote:  My only beef (as I've seen listed other places) was with the start time. Why not do it on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? With the longer NFL season it would just be up against week 18 and not playoff games. I went to bed not long after the 3rd quarter started. Would have liked to watch more, but I can't be a zombie at work the next day.

Yeah, Saturday night would be ideal IMO ... just work with the NFL to set aside that 8-11:30 EST window for the National Championship game.

There are a lot of moving parts for sure with TV scheduling, allowing teams proper amounts of rest and preparation after the semifinals, host cities maximizing hotel nights/fan spending and so on.
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(01-11-2022 10:43 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  This x100. The very best college team would get DESTROYED by the very worst NFL team, and it wouldn't be very close.

What if it were the Colts and they had to win to make the playoffs?
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(01-11-2022 10:44 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 10:36 AM)Chappy Wrote:  My only beef (as I've seen listed other places) was with the start time. Why not do it on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? With the longer NFL season it would just be up against week 18 and not playoff games. I went to bed not long after the 3rd quarter started. Would have liked to watch more, but I can't be a zombie at work the next day.

Yeah, Saturday night would be ideal IMO ... just work with the NFL to set aside that 8-11:30 EST window for the National Championship game.

There are a lot of moving parts for sure with TV scheduling, allowing teams proper amounts of rest and preparation after the semifinals, host cities maximizing hotel nights/fan spending and so on.

lol. NFL just moved to that slot- and it's in the new TV contract. It's not going anywhere.
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(01-11-2022 10:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 10:36 AM)Chappy Wrote:  My only beef (as I've seen listed other places) was with the start time. Why not do it on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? With the longer NFL season it would just be up against week 18 and not playoff games. I went to bed not long after the 3rd quarter started. Would have liked to watch more, but I can't be a zombie at work the next day.

because the NFL is the absolute king of the food chain. NFL week 18 will get boffo ratings.

Exactly. Note that games like the CFP and Rose Bowl garner ratings that are equivalent to... the typical late Sunday afternoon non-national NFL window on CBS and Fox. The NFL can dictate EVERYTHING with respect to the TV schedule.

Also, see my post on another thread on TV ratings nights. Saturday is actually the WORST night for TV ratings. College football ratings are honestly hampered by Saturday times. Monday (or any other night where the next day isn't a workday) is optimal for TV viewership. Ratings also increase for every minute that is closer to midnight Eastern Time, which is why these games never start until at least 8 pm ET.

Essentially, pretty much everything that a lot of fans complain about, such as non-Saturday games and late weeknight start times, are totally personal minority perceptions because all of those factors are actually optimal for getting the most people possible to watch.
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(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat?

I think .... Zero.
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(01-11-2022 10:24 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat? How many of their seniors will end up in the pros next year? What has happened to college athletics? How much are college coaches really worth? Should they be the highest paid employees of the school? Has this gotten out of control? You decide.

Even the greatest college football teams could never beat a pro team. Remember that even guys at the bottom of the depth chart in the NFL were top line players in college and/or are insane athletes.

I don't think that it's gotten out of control at all. So many fans complain about how it was supposedly purer back in the day... but it never was. It was a fallacy. No one should know that more than SMU (see the 1980s).

If the college sports industrial complex is worth billions of dollars, then it stands to reason that the coaches and players should be compensated accordingly. No one seems to have a problem with this in any other industry in America. I'm not sure why college sports would be an exception to that rule.

It’s true SMU, the only school to ever do it. Now it’s legal, the NIL is here to stay. That doesn’t make it right.
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(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat? How many of their seniors will end up in the pros next year? What has happened to college athletics? How much are college football coaches really worth? Should they be the highest paid employees of the school? Has this gotten out of control? You decide. Maybe the answer is to stop at conference championship games and not have a national champion as such.

Zero. If you combined rosters and took the best 53 guys, they would still go 0-17 this year.
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(01-11-2022 10:36 AM)Chappy Wrote:  My only beef (as I've seen listed other places) was with the start time. Why not do it on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? With the longer NFL season it would just be up against week 18 and not playoff games. I went to bed not long after the 3rd quarter started. Would have liked to watch more, but I can't be a zombie at work the next day.

I recently moved to the west coast after living life on the east coast for 45 years. The fact that the games start and more importantly end earlier is the best part of it. ESPN would need to work out some kind of deal with the NFL to clear the schedule of the late night Saturday games in the last week, or the ratings would get killed.
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(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat? How many of their seniors will end up in the pros next year? What has happened to college athletics? How much are college football coaches really worth? Should they be the highest paid employees of the school? Has this gotten out of control? You decide. Maybe the answer is to stop at conference championship games and not have a national champion as such.

A lot to unpack here. How many pro teams could UGA or 'Bama beat: zero. The pros conditioning is out of this world, IMO. There are no classes to worry about, but workouts are extremely intense!!!

What happened to college athletics? Basically, the players got tired of the bull crap that the ADs, the presidents, and some of the coaches were feeding them and rightfully requested some of the $$'s that was being made from their hard work from tv and radio appearances, interviews, video games, etc.

How much are college coaches really worth?? Depends on the college coach, IMO .
Should they be the highest paid employees of the school?? Probably not.

Has this gotten out of control?? I really don't think so, because a lot has changed over the years. Players are becoming a lot more informed than they used to be, and now they are using their knowledge. That's a good thing, IMO.

Nobody wants to stop at conference championship, if they are being honest with themselves, IMO. Everyone wants to see how they look compared to someone else.

It's like asking me if I would be content to date women just in my own neighborhood. Not going to fly with me. I would rather take the chance to date a woman from anywhere as opposed to one in the immediate vicinity of where I live.
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(01-11-2022 10:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat?

I think .... Zero.

Note that the question was about “pro teams,” not “NFL teams.” I might take Saban over Mike Riley’s brand new (and presumably rusty) USHL team.
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(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat? How many of their seniors will end up in the pros next year? What has happened to college athletics? How much are college football coaches really worth? Should they be the highest paid employees of the school? Has this gotten out of control? You decide. Maybe the answer is to stop at conference championship games and not have a national champion as such.
Someone posted a video of when after 25 seasons Tulane defeated LSU. This was 1973 and the previous time had been in "nineteen-hundred and forty-eight" That might be the situation with Georgia vs. Atlanta Falcons. Maybe a 4% chance, but probably less.

Bama has 53 players in the NFL, or enough to fill one NFL squad. But the average NFL career is about 7 years. So Bama might produce 7 or 8 NFL players per year. But there may be juniors starters. So let's say 12.

At least half of those NFL players are second-string. So perhaps half of the Bama starters will be at least second string in the NFL. The other half of the starters will be getting on with their lives.

Players at 21 are still physically developing, so the Bama starters who make in the NFL will be better than they are now. Plus they will be smarter or more clever. And with limited talent, there will likely be less balance. In the NFL if you are short of linebackers you go sign free agents. In College, you might recruit or try to get a transfer, or try to convert a lineman.
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Agreed ugh. I didn’t watch this Bama Georgia game. But I watched the one a few games ago in the SEC Championship.
Had no rooting interest in either team nor their conference.
For those who say it was the best of the best: I have the NFL for that.
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I think it was unfortunate that the OP started with a question about how many pro teams could Alabama or Georgia beat. Because that's what this thread became about rather than whether college athletics have gotten out of control, which appears to me to have been the original intent of the OP.

First, let me say that in the 65+ years that I have been following college sports, they have always been professional. Athletes have always been given something of value in exchange for their efforts in their sport. For much of that time, it was a good bargain for the athletes and a fair trade. Schools (and coaches) weren't making huge profits from sponsoring athletics.

In the more recent past, that bargain has changed dramatically, to the point that some - not most - athletes are no longer getting a fair deal. Most still are. What is happening today is a long overdue course correction for football players, and to a lesser extent, men's basketball players. The mega-millions their efforts produce are making other people very rich.

The big question to be answered is how do we correct that exploitation without destroying college athletics in the process. IMO, that's what we should be talking about - not whether Alabama could beat the Detroit Lions.
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