I voted good mainly because there was not a neutral option. Not a fan of the offense, substitution patterns or in game management, but he can recruit with the best of them. Hoping he can evolve into a solid "good" coach, but I do not think he will ever be considered a "great" coach. Hope I'm wrong on that though.

If he can keep recruiting at elite level then him being "good" will be enough to make tourney and make a sweet 16 regularly and an elite 8 here and there with maybe a final four if things break right. Which I think for Memphis is great. If he were to become a "great" coach and keep recruiting at this level then you are talking about multiple final fours, etc.

I think he could be a good coach one day once these kids that are family to him are gone, he has no ability to be objective while they are here (Tyler, ALo, Jayden, Malcolm).

(01-12-2022 10:13 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  If he can keep recruiting at elite level then him being "good" will be enough to make tourney and make a sweet 16 regularly and an elite 8 here and there with maybe a final four if things break right. Which I think for Memphis is great. If he were to become a "great" coach and keep recruiting at this level then you are talking about multiple final fours, etc.

Does he get enough time to to that point though? I'm an outsider but this is my view as well. Seems like he's recruiting well enough to keep the program good/relevant, but will he be given enough time to truly learn how to coach?

There's cased all over college basketball where it took someone 10 years to figure out how to truly coach (Mike Young at Wofford, Kermit Davis at MTSU, etc.), but is a program like Memphis patient enough to let him figure it out?

(01-11-2022 11:28 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I think Penny is obviously a great recruiter but is a mediocre coach at best. Not sure he'll ever be a good or great coach. He let's loyalties get in the way of being objective & it has cost Memphis several games each year he's been here, at least indirectly. With objectivity, Boogie would still be here & we'd have a serviceable PG. With objectivity, Penny could have recruited a top PG. He could be a good coach if he could be objective.

Did you actually watch boogie last night. He would have been a great point.
his role has been diminished.

(01-12-2022 10:45 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 10:13 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  If he can keep recruiting at elite level then him being "good" will be enough to make tourney and make a sweet 16 regularly and an elite 8 here and there with maybe a final four if things break right. Which I think for Memphis is great. If he were to become a "great" coach and keep recruiting at this level then you are talking about multiple final fours, etc.

Does he get enough time to to that point though? I'm an outsider but this is my view as well. Seems like he's recruiting well enough to keep the program good/relevant, but will he be given enough time to truly learn how to coach?

There's cased all over college basketball where it took someone 10 years to figure out how to truly coach (Mike Young at Wofford, Kermit Davis at MTSU, etc.), but is a program like Memphis patient enough to let him figure it out?

Good question and tbh I don't know. It goes to the point that sometimes we forget (I thought this with JP but was ready to get rid of him too) that these guys are first time D1 head coaches. Just like anything when you level up you have to learn to operate on that level. Usually that is though trial and error and learning from your mistakes. I think Penny gets more slack then JP because he's a school/city legend. Tbh I see him saying, "eff this negative crap, I'm out" and just quitting vs. being fired. He doesn't need the money and I know he'd rather be at Southwind or Colonial vs having to hear negative crap all day from media and fans.

Interesting hearing from all you “All Americans” on the board. I am just a lowly “special teams water boy”, so what do I know? But I lived thru the nine years of Coach Cal using Memphis to build his reputation and then dump us when we were right on the verge of leveling up as program. Tell me he didn’t encourage D Rose to do what he did.

So maybe part of being a good coach is loyalty to a city, and maybe part of that character trait is loyalty to the players he has invested in. I don’t see Coach Cal ever being that way and I know most people consider him a great coach. Myself I prefer Coach Penny, who I actually like for his character and his love of the city and the team. In my mind that makes him a great man who is day by day becoming a better coach.

So please don’t discourage him and encourage him to play golf. I like him and would like to keep him. But what do I know? I am just a water engineer.

Never is such a long time. Unless you add another Never

Never Never Land… is forever.

(01-11-2022 03:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Minott is a talent and could be a 1+done.
But Penny and staff have said that he wasn't putting in the work to earn playing time to start the season.
It was a life lesson the young man needed, and it seems to have made a difference.
Kudos to the staff for developing the young man mentally and physically, and for not playing favorites.

Timberlake has been coming back from injury all season.
He was horrible shooting and ball handling early in the year.
Now he is much improved.
Kudos to the staff for properly diagnosing his injury, and for developing the young man.

Neither should have been starting early in the year, but they both could now.

I love Minott’s game, but never once have I thought he was anywhere close to a 1 and done level player. Surely not, but maybe he continues to impress and catches someone’s eye.

He does so many things right and has the prototypical NBA body/skills, but he better improve his shot. He doesn’t take many jump shots and from what I’ve seen his release seems slow and/or a little awkward.

(01-12-2022 04:59 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 03:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Minott is a talent and could be a 1+done.
But Penny and staff have said that he wasn't putting in the work to earn playing time to start the season.
It was a life lesson the young man needed, and it seems to have made a difference.
Kudos to the staff for developing the young man mentally and physically, and for not playing favorites.

Timberlake has been coming back from injury all season.
He was horrible shooting and ball handling early in the year.
Now he is much improved.
Kudos to the staff for properly diagnosing his injury, and for developing the young man.

Neither should have been starting early in the year, but they both could now.

I love Minott’s game, but never once have I thought he was anywhere close to a 1 and done level player. Surely not, but maybe he continues to impress and catches someone’s eye.

He does so many things right and has the prototypical NBA body/skills, but he better improve his shot. He doesn’t take many jump shots and from what I’ve seen his release seems slow and/or a little awkward.

According to some, he is moving into 2nd (and even late 1st) round discussions. It will depend on whether he sustains what he's done the past couple of weeks. If he does, and he shows some shooting potential (at least at the combine), I wouldn't be surprised. All it takes in the 2nd round is 1 team to become enamored. But I think if he stays and works on his shot all summer, he could be a lotto guy next year.

(01-12-2022 05:16 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 04:59 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 03:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Minott is a talent and could be a 1+done.
But Penny and staff have said that he wasn't putting in the work to earn playing time to start the season.
It was a life lesson the young man needed, and it seems to have made a difference.
Kudos to the staff for developing the young man mentally and physically, and for not playing favorites.

Timberlake has been coming back from injury all season.
He was horrible shooting and ball handling early in the year.
Now he is much improved.
Kudos to the staff for properly diagnosing his injury, and for developing the young man.

Neither should have been starting early in the year, but they both could now.

I love Minott’s game, but never once have I thought he was anywhere close to a 1 and done level player. Surely not, but maybe he continues to impress and catches someone’s eye.

He does so many things right and has the prototypical NBA body/skills, but he better improve his shot. He doesn’t take many jump shots and from what I’ve seen his release seems slow and/or a little awkward.

According to some, he is moving into 2nd (and even late 1st) round discussions. It will depend on whether he sustains what he's done the past couple of weeks. If he does, and he shows some shooting potential (at least at the combine), I wouldn't be surprised. All it takes in the 2nd round is 1 team to become enamored. But I think if he stays and works on his shot all summer, he could be a lotto guy next year.

He has the range to get it to the basket effortlessly from the 3 point line, but he has a funky sidewinder motion. 100 hours in the gym in the offseason might be able to fix that.

Ok ... Tell me this. Why didn't the red shirts come off of Camden and Lawson tonight. Seems they could have given us some fresh legs with Hardaway and Timberlake not playing. We were worn out and that'll get you injuries for sure.

(01-12-2022 09:40 PM)steves Wrote:  Ok ... Tell me this. Why didn't the red shirts come off of Camden and Lawson tonight. Seems they could have given us some fresh legs with Hardaway and Timberlake not playing. We were worn out and that'll get you injuries for sure.

Penny when asked recently said that he wouldn't ruin a players career by doing that --or something like that

(01-12-2022 10:22 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 09:40 PM)steves Wrote:  Ok ... Tell me this. Why didn't the red shirts come off of Camden and Lawson tonight. Seems they could have given us some fresh legs with Hardaway and Timberlake not playing. We were worn out and that'll get you injuries for sure.

Penny when asked recently said that he wouldn't ruin a players career by doing that --or something like that

He said it wouldn't be fair to take away a full year just for a game or 2.

(01-15-2022 01:54 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 10:22 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 09:40 PM)steves Wrote:  Ok ... Tell me this. Why didn't the red shirts come off of Camden and Lawson tonight. Seems they could have given us some fresh legs with Hardaway and Timberlake not playing. We were worn out and that'll get you injuries for sure.

Penny when asked recently said that he wouldn't ruin a players career by doing that --or something like that

He said it wouldn't be fair to take away a full year just for a game or 2.

Thanks

(01-11-2022 10:16 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  I vote NO on male ponytails.

Speaking of ponytails I saw a great bumper sticker on a pickup truck that was driven by a nice looking young female driver. It said, If you are going to ride my ass you should pull my ponytail while you are doing it.

Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.

Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years

Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.

(01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.

Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years

Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.

just a note

no one made the ncaa tournament in 2020

(01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.

Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years

Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.

Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.

Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.

(01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.

Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years

Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.

Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.

Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.

PASTNER didn't have to ?