(01-24-2022 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 10:17 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  You can't have a playoff game that ends like that one... end like that.... The way Allen and Mahomes were playing.... a coin flip for OT possession determines it.

Still, that L was on the Bills' D.

That L is on the head coach. If he orders a squib kick at 0:13, then the Chiefs don't have enough time to run two plays from scrimmage and a field goal attempt.

depends really on how far the Chiefs returned it. If they fall on it at the 25 then maybe 1 second difference and still able to do what they did.

(01-24-2022 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 10:17 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  You can't have a playoff game that ends like that one... end like that.... The way Allen and Mahomes were playing.... a coin flip for OT possession determines it.

Still, that L was on the Bills' D.

That L is on the head coach. If he orders a squib kick at 0:13, then the Chiefs don't have enough time to run two plays from scrimmage and a field goal attempt.

Exactly. A squib kick would have taken two or three seconds off the clock. That is a no-brainer in that situation. He would have had a hard time getting two plays off. Then on defense, the Bills needed to press Kelce and Hill at the line of scrimmage and double team both. Make Mahomes go somewhere else. Once that thing got into overtime, it was a coin flip as to who was going to win the game.

so fun what if question. What if the Bills missed the extra point to make it 35-33. Do they lose in regulation or the fact that a FG beats them do they play it differently/more aggressive?

(01-19-2022 05:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:54 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 03:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 11:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 03:07 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Since my team didn't make it this year, I'll be rooting for the Bills in the AFC and the Cards in the NFC.

Not a big fan of the Monday night wild card game.

Neither am I. They could have just placed this game on Saturday.

Then you ought to hope few people watch, because if the Monday night game draws an audience as large as or larger than the Saturday games, the NFL will continue playing a wild card game on Monday.

I know its a TV driven metric, but this weekends slate did nothing IMO to justify delaying public executions beyond the weekend.

The NFL and Disney will probably stick with the Monday night wild card game for another year or two. They were probably hoping MNF would do as well as the Saturday games, which draw fewer viewers than Sunday games. But, the MNF audience was 15-20 percent lower than that of the Saturday games.
Rams-Cardinals on Monday had 23.0 million viewers, compared to 26.4 million for Patriots-Bills on Saturday night and 27.7 million for Raiders-Bengals on Saturday afternoon.

Top be fair though, the Cards and Rams limped into the playoffs... a different matchup might have drawn differently.

(01-24-2022 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 10:17 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  You can't have a playoff game that ends like that one... end like that.... The way Allen and Mahomes were playing.... a coin flip for OT possession determines it.

Still, that L was on the Bills' D.

That L is on the head coach. If he orders a squib kick at 0:13, then the Chiefs don't have enough time to run two plays from scrimmage and a field goal attempt.

I'm not sold on that though as depending on when it gets touched and where it lands, the ball could have been further up the field than a touchback.

(01-24-2022 07:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 10:17 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  You can't have a playoff game that ends like that one... end like that.... The way Allen and Mahomes were playing.... a coin flip for OT possession determines it.

Still, that L was on the Bills' D.

That L is on the head coach. If he orders a squib kick at 0:13, then the Chiefs don't have enough time to run two plays from scrimmage and a field goal attempt.

I'm not sold on that though as depending on when it gets touched and where it lands, the ball could have been further up the field than a touchback.

yeah and if it goes as far as folks want it to go without being touched at the 25 yard line odds are pretty good it goes into the end zone anyways.

(01-24-2022 07:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 10:17 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  You can't have a playoff game that ends like that one... end like that.... The way Allen and Mahomes were playing.... a coin flip for OT possession determines it.

Still, that L was on the Bills' D.

That L is on the head coach. If he orders a squib kick at 0:13, then the Chiefs don't have enough time to run two plays from scrimmage and a field goal attempt.

I'm not sold on that though as depending on when it gets touched and where it lands, the ball could have been further up the field than a touchback.

If the ball ended up significantly farther upfield after a kickoff with the ball in play, the clock would be at 0:06 or 0:07, maybe even less, and there would only be time for one play, not even one play plus a FG attempt.

(01-24-2022 09:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 07:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 10:17 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  You can't have a playoff game that ends like that one... end like that.... The way Allen and Mahomes were playing.... a coin flip for OT possession determines it.

Still, that L was on the Bills' D.

That L is on the head coach. If he orders a squib kick at 0:13, then the Chiefs don't have enough time to run two plays from scrimmage and a field goal attempt.

I'm not sold on that though as depending on when it gets touched and where it lands, the ball could have been further up the field than a touchback.

If the ball ended up significantly farther upfield after a kickoff with the ball in play, the clock would be at 0:06 or 0:07, maybe even less, and there would only be time for one play, not even one play plus a FG attempt.

remember they had it at the 44 with 8 seconds to go- so not much of a difference potentially.

(01-24-2022 10:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 09:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 07:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 10:17 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  You can't have a playoff game that ends like that one... end like that.... The way Allen and Mahomes were playing.... a coin flip for OT possession determines it.

Still, that L was on the Bills' D.

That L is on the head coach. If he orders a squib kick at 0:13, then the Chiefs don't have enough time to run two plays from scrimmage and a field goal attempt.

I'm not sold on that though as depending on when it gets touched and where it lands, the ball could have been further up the field than a touchback.

If the ball ended up significantly farther upfield after a kickoff with the ball in play, the clock would be at 0:06 or 0:07, maybe even less, and there would only be time for one play, not even one play plus a FG attempt.

remember they had it at the 44 with 8 seconds to go- so not much of a difference potentially.

If KC fields the kickoff at the 10 and returns it 34 yards to the 44, that takes more than 5 seconds off the clock. That would have been a risky return, as risky as Prescott’s QB draw that ended Dallas’ game. More likely the KC returner would have taken a knee to save time or run to a sideline as quickly as possible.

(01-24-2022 10:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 09:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 07:23 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That L is on the head coach. If he orders a squib kick at 0:13, then the Chiefs don't have enough time to run two plays from scrimmage and a field goal attempt.

I'm not sold on that though as depending on when it gets touched and where it lands, the ball could have been further up the field than a touchback.

If the ball ended up significantly farther upfield after a kickoff with the ball in play, the clock would be at 0:06 or 0:07, maybe even less, and there would only be time for one play, not even one play plus a FG attempt.

remember they had it at the 44 with 8 seconds to go- so not much of a difference potentially.

If KC fields the kickoff at the 10 and returns it 34 yards to the 44, that takes more than 5 seconds off the clock. That would have been a risky return, as risky as Prescott’s QB draw that ended Dallas’ game. More likely the KC returner would have taken a knee to save time or run to a sideline as quickly as possible.

If the ball is kicked hard enough to get to the 10 and not be touched by a KC person before that- odds are good enough that it's getting into the end zone. Odds are far greater that they get it at the 25 and down it immediately(or even further up the field).

DA BENGALS

Poor Andy Reid clock management rules again

(01-30-2022 08:48 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  Poor Andy Reid clock management rules again

not only that but basic challenging a call wrong cost him a TO that they could easily have used end 1st half.

(01-30-2022 10:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-30-2022 08:48 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  Poor Andy Reid clock management rules again

not only that but basic challenging a call wrong cost him a TO that they could easily have used end 1st half.

KC has been playing with their food all season. It almost gotem last week. This time proved the be a bridge to far.

Rams Bengals was a good, not great game.

Very happy for Stafford to get it done.

Tough deal for Burrow not being able to get them down the field to tie it up. I was hoping for an OT period they way this postseason went.

(02-13-2022 10:49 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Rams Bengals was a good, not great game.

Very happy for Stafford to get it done.

Tough deal for Burrow not being able to get them down the field to tie it up. I was hoping for an OT period they way this postseason went.

The refereeing in the last 2 minutes was suspect. That said, the Bengals O-line was leaking badly by game's end. They played well for 3.75 quarters.

(02-14-2022 09:34 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 10:49 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Rams Bengals was a good, not great game.

Very happy for Stafford to get it done.

Tough deal for Burrow not being able to get them down the field to tie it up. I was hoping for an OT period they way this postseason went.

The refereeing in the last 2 minutes was suspect. That said, the Bengals O-line was leaking badly by game's end. They played well for 3.75 quarters.

Very suspect.

(02-14-2022 09:34 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 10:49 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Rams Bengals was a good, not great game.

Very happy for Stafford to get it done.

Tough deal for Burrow not being able to get them down the field to tie it up. I was hoping for an OT period they way this postseason went.

The refereeing in the last 2 minutes was suspect. That said, the Bengals O-line was leaking badly by game's end. They played well for 3.75 quarters.

I think it was more a case of Burrow holding onto the ball longer.
Yeah, 2 penalties in 58 minutes and 3 straight calls against the Bengals inside the 10. All ticky-tack that they could have called nearly every play the entire game.

(02-14-2022 06:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 09:34 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 10:49 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Rams Bengals was a good, not great game.

Very happy for Stafford to get it done.

Tough deal for Burrow not being able to get them down the field to tie it up. I was hoping for an OT period they way this postseason went.

The refereeing in the last 2 minutes was suspect. That said, the Bengals O-line was leaking badly by game's end. They played well for 3.75 quarters.

I think it was more a case of Burrow holding onto the ball longer.
Yeah, 2 penalties in 58 minutes and 3 straight calls against the Bengals inside the 10. All ticky-tack that they could have called nearly every play the entire game.

First, the refs missed a blatant offensive pass interference by Tee Higgins that gave the Bengals a seven point lead at the start of the second half. I cannot see how they missed that call and the NFL needs to figure out how to correct something that obvious, especially in a playoff game.

The holding call on Logan Wilson was somewhat ticky-tack and should have been offset by a missed false start penalty on the Rams. Then there was a penalty on the Bengals on a Kupp touchdown reception that was a personal foul penalty on the Bengals that was a good call but was offset by an offensive holding on the Rams. The last call was defensive pass interference on Eli Apple that was an easy call. He was pulling Kupp back as he went forward to attempt to catch the pass from Stafford. So maybe one ticky-tack call.