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RE: I’m glad Bates had a good game.
(01-13-2022 03:37 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:48 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:44 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:40 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Yes, comparatively as just freshman. But I think Will was a 19 year old freshman and Bates is a 17 year old freshman. Bates will be just as good with the ball in two years as Will was.

Will was old for a freshman he was held back so he could be in the same class as his brother. Hopefully we can get 2 years out of Emoni but at this point I doubt it. But I don’t think another year is going to make him a much better ball handler. It sure didn’t help Lomax or Harris. They make the same mistakes they made 3 years ago

You think the talent level is the same between those? People have ceilings. Alo pretty much reached his in high school. I disagree on Harris, he has progressed a lot.

That is like saying nobody can learn to build a skyscraper because your local architect cant.

Talent doesn’t have anything to do with ball handling imo. Well not a bunch anyway

And Tyler Harris is very talented probably more athletic than Emoni. His problem is he’s a foot shorter

Look I don’t mean any disrespect towards Bates, but I’ve seen lottery picks and he isn’t one. And any team that drafts him is going to find that out. He can still be a good college player but apparently his family has crossed the point of no return in that regard.


I really have nothing to discuss if you genuinely believe ball handling and talent are not directly related to one another... I can pretty much guarantee you will not find any person making a living in the basketball world that agrees with that.

There is a reason Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving can do things with a basketball that I would never be able to do no matter how much work I put into ball handling skills, and that is talent. Their ceiling is simply much higher than mine...

And my conversation had nothing to do with a lottery pick. It was simply you comparing a 19 year old freshman (who really should have been a sophomore in college) to a 17 year old freshman (who should really be a junior in high school). I was simply pointing out that in 2-3 years that Emoni's ball handling will be much better and likely at the level or beyond that of Will Barton's.

You’ve completely missed out on what I’m trying to point out. Forget the talent thing.

Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

So did Tyreke Evans

So did CDR

So did Shawne Williams

So did DWash

Outside of the Lemoyne Owen buy games Emoni hasn’t beat a decent division one defender one on one yet. His best move is the pull up jumper

I don’t see how a year is going to help him get better at beating a good defender off the dribble.

If he gets in the weight room maybe he can get stronger at least. But he’s just not an elite player even comparable with the former tigers mentioned above. And half of them even flamed out in the nba, although for most it was off the court stuff.

Have a good day sir
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RE: I’m glad Bates had a good game.
(01-13-2022 03:41 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Bates will be a lottery pick next season when he is eligible.


I fully agree.

There is no doubt he has not found his stride yet but tiger fans who think he is a bust who lacks the talent are delusional.

There is a grand canyon of distance between the NBA opinion and tiger fans opinion. MT.ORG posters are not better talent evaluators than the NBA folks. Its comical that even has to be pointed out.
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RE: I’m glad Bates had a good game.
(01-13-2022 03:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:37 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:48 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:44 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Will was old for a freshman he was held back so he could be in the same class as his brother. Hopefully we can get 2 years out of Emoni but at this point I doubt it. But I don’t think another year is going to make him a much better ball handler. It sure didn’t help Lomax or Harris. They make the same mistakes they made 3 years ago

You think the talent level is the same between those? People have ceilings. Alo pretty much reached his in high school. I disagree on Harris, he has progressed a lot.

That is like saying nobody can learn to build a skyscraper because your local architect cant.

Talent doesn’t have anything to do with ball handling imo. Well not a bunch anyway

And Tyler Harris is very talented probably more athletic than Emoni. His problem is he’s a foot shorter

Look I don’t mean any disrespect towards Bates, but I’ve seen lottery picks and he isn’t one. And any team that drafts him is going to find that out. He can still be a good college player but apparently his family has crossed the point of no return in that regard.


I really have nothing to discuss if you genuinely believe ball handling and talent are not directly related to one another... I can pretty much guarantee you will not find any person making a living in the basketball world that agrees with that.

There is a reason Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving can do things with a basketball that I would never be able to do no matter how much work I put into ball handling skills, and that is talent. Their ceiling is simply much higher than mine...

And my conversation had nothing to do with a lottery pick. It was simply you comparing a 19 year old freshman (who really should have been a sophomore in college) to a 17 year old freshman (who should really be a junior in high school). I was simply pointing out that in 2-3 years that Emoni's ball handling will be much better and likely at the level or beyond that of Will Barton's.

You’ve completely missed out on what I’m trying to point out. Forget the talent thing.

Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

So did Tyreke Evans

So did CDR

So did Shawne Williams

So did DWash

Outside of the Lemoyne Owen buy games Emoni hasn’t been a decent division one defender one on one yet. His best move is the pull up jumper

I don’t see how a year is going to help him get better at beating a good defender off the dribble.

If he gets in the weight room maybe he can get stronger at least. But he’s just not an elite player even comparable with the former tigers mentioned above. And half of them even flamed out in the nba, although for most it was off the court stuff.

Have a good day sir

Quote:Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

Rose scored a lot, but didn't figure it out against good competition until after the UAB game, where he went 2-13 from the field, 1-6 from outside, 1-3 from the line and had 3 assists, 3 turnovers and 6 points. That was our 25th game of the year.

Rose was also 20 years old when he hit campus. Bates is still 17. Do you think Derrick Rose would have been a superstar D1 player when he was in the 10th grade? I don't. Rose wasn't even that dominant a high school player when he was Bates' age. This is the video of the 2006 state championship game, that ended 31-29 in overtime.



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RE: I’m glad Bates had a good game.
(01-13-2022 04:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:37 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:48 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You think the talent level is the same between those? People have ceilings. Alo pretty much reached his in high school. I disagree on Harris, he has progressed a lot.

That is like saying nobody can learn to build a skyscraper because your local architect cant.

Talent doesn’t have anything to do with ball handling imo. Well not a bunch anyway

And Tyler Harris is very talented probably more athletic than Emoni. His problem is he’s a foot shorter

Look I don’t mean any disrespect towards Bates, but I’ve seen lottery picks and he isn’t one. And any team that drafts him is going to find that out. He can still be a good college player but apparently his family has crossed the point of no return in that regard.


I really have nothing to discuss if you genuinely believe ball handling and talent are not directly related to one another... I can pretty much guarantee you will not find any person making a living in the basketball world that agrees with that.

There is a reason Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving can do things with a basketball that I would never be able to do no matter how much work I put into ball handling skills, and that is talent. Their ceiling is simply much higher than mine...

And my conversation had nothing to do with a lottery pick. It was simply you comparing a 19 year old freshman (who really should have been a sophomore in college) to a 17 year old freshman (who should really be a junior in high school). I was simply pointing out that in 2-3 years that Emoni's ball handling will be much better and likely at the level or beyond that of Will Barton's.

You’ve completely missed out on what I’m trying to point out. Forget the talent thing.

Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

So did Tyreke Evans

So did CDR

So did Shawne Williams

So did DWash

Outside of the Lemoyne Owen buy games Emoni hasn’t been a decent division one defender one on one yet. His best move is the pull up jumper

I don’t see how a year is going to help him get better at beating a good defender off the dribble.

If he gets in the weight room maybe he can get stronger at least. But he’s just not an elite player even comparable with the former tigers mentioned above. And half of them even flamed out in the nba, although for most it was off the court stuff.

Have a good day sir

Quote:Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

Rose scored a lot, but didn't figure it out against good competition until after the UAB game, where he went 2-13 from the field, 1-6 from outside, 1-3 from the line and had 3 assists, 3 turnovers and 6 points. That was our 25th game of the year.

Rose was also 20 years old when he hit campus. Bates is still 17. Do you think Derrick Rose would have been a superstar D1 player when he was in the 10th grade? I don't. Rose wasn't even that dominant a high school player when he was Bates' age. This is the video of the 2006 state championship game, that ended 31-29 in overtime.




Rose was born in October 1988 which made him 19 during that 07-08 season. Emoni just turned 18 or will this month. That’s a 15 month difference. You gonna tell me Emoni gonna be on Rose’s level that quick? Sorry I love the kid, I just don’t see it.
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RE: I’m glad Bates had a good game.
(01-13-2022 03:41 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Bates will be a lottery pick next season when he is eligible.

Depends on his work ethic.

He is going to need to get much stronger.

And his handle is going to need to improve...He is going to need to be an offensively skilled stud because he will be a defensive liability in the league.
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RE: I’m glad Bates had a good game.
(01-13-2022 04:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:37 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:48 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You think the talent level is the same between those? People have ceilings. Alo pretty much reached his in high school. I disagree on Harris, he has progressed a lot.

That is like saying nobody can learn to build a skyscraper because your local architect cant.

Talent doesn’t have anything to do with ball handling imo. Well not a bunch anyway

And Tyler Harris is very talented probably more athletic than Emoni. His problem is he’s a foot shorter

Look I don’t mean any disrespect towards Bates, but I’ve seen lottery picks and he isn’t one. And any team that drafts him is going to find that out. He can still be a good college player but apparently his family has crossed the point of no return in that regard.


I really have nothing to discuss if you genuinely believe ball handling and talent are not directly related to one another... I can pretty much guarantee you will not find any person making a living in the basketball world that agrees with that.

There is a reason Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving can do things with a basketball that I would never be able to do no matter how much work I put into ball handling skills, and that is talent. Their ceiling is simply much higher than mine...

And my conversation had nothing to do with a lottery pick. It was simply you comparing a 19 year old freshman (who really should have been a sophomore in college) to a 17 year old freshman (who should really be a junior in high school). I was simply pointing out that in 2-3 years that Emoni's ball handling will be much better and likely at the level or beyond that of Will Barton's.

You’ve completely missed out on what I’m trying to point out. Forget the talent thing.

Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

So did Tyreke Evans

So did CDR

So did Shawne Williams

So did DWash

Outside of the Lemoyne Owen buy games Emoni hasn’t been a decent division one defender one on one yet. His best move is the pull up jumper

I don’t see how a year is going to help him get better at beating a good defender off the dribble.

If he gets in the weight room maybe he can get stronger at least. But he’s just not an elite player even comparable with the former tigers mentioned above. And half of them even flamed out in the nba, although for most it was off the court stuff.

Have a good day sir

Quote:Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

Rose scored a lot, but didn't figure it out against good competition until after the UAB game, where he went 2-13 from the field, 1-6 from outside, 1-3 from the line and had 3 assists, 3 turnovers and 6 points. That was our 25th game of the year.

Rose was also 20 years old when he hit campus. Bates is still 17. Do you think Derrick Rose would have been a superstar D1 player when he was in the 10th grade? I don't. Rose wasn't even that dominant a high school player when he was Bates' age. This is the video of the 2006 state championship game, that ended 31-29 in overtime.






That is the elephant in the room.

Too many posters are comparing Bates to 19 and 20 year old freshmen. He is 17. Not one single player being mentioned was better than him at 17, nor where they ready to be superstar players at this level at 17.

Nearly all of them struggled as 19 and 20 year old freshman before finding their stride late in the season.

Yet we have a number of posters calling Bates a bust and arguing he lacks NBA talent as a 17 year old freshman.

You guys posting this stuff are absolute morons.
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RE: I’m glad Bates had a good game.
(01-13-2022 04:34 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:37 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Talent doesn’t have anything to do with ball handling imo. Well not a bunch anyway

And Tyler Harris is very talented probably more athletic than Emoni. His problem is he’s a foot shorter

Look I don’t mean any disrespect towards Bates, but I’ve seen lottery picks and he isn’t one. And any team that drafts him is going to find that out. He can still be a good college player but apparently his family has crossed the point of no return in that regard.


I really have nothing to discuss if you genuinely believe ball handling and talent are not directly related to one another... I can pretty much guarantee you will not find any person making a living in the basketball world that agrees with that.

There is a reason Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving can do things with a basketball that I would never be able to do no matter how much work I put into ball handling skills, and that is talent. Their ceiling is simply much higher than mine...

And my conversation had nothing to do with a lottery pick. It was simply you comparing a 19 year old freshman (who really should have been a sophomore in college) to a 17 year old freshman (who should really be a junior in high school). I was simply pointing out that in 2-3 years that Emoni's ball handling will be much better and likely at the level or beyond that of Will Barton's.

You’ve completely missed out on what I’m trying to point out. Forget the talent thing.

Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

So did Tyreke Evans

So did CDR

So did Shawne Williams

So did DWash

Outside of the Lemoyne Owen buy games Emoni hasn’t been a decent division one defender one on one yet. His best move is the pull up jumper

I don’t see how a year is going to help him get better at beating a good defender off the dribble.

If he gets in the weight room maybe he can get stronger at least. But he’s just not an elite player even comparable with the former tigers mentioned above. And half of them even flamed out in the nba, although for most it was off the court stuff.

Have a good day sir

Quote:Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

Rose scored a lot, but didn't figure it out against good competition until after the UAB game, where he went 2-13 from the field, 1-6 from outside, 1-3 from the line and had 3 assists, 3 turnovers and 6 points. That was our 25th game of the year.

Rose was also 20 years old when he hit campus. Bates is still 17. Do you think Derrick Rose would have been a superstar D1 player when he was in the 10th grade? I don't. Rose wasn't even that dominant a high school player when he was Bates' age. This is the video of the 2006 state championship game, that ended 31-29 in overtime.




Rose was born in October 1988 which made him 19 during that 07-08 season. Emoni just turned 18 or will this month. That’s a 15 month difference. You gonna tell me Emoni gonna be on Rose’s level that quick? Sorry I love the kid, I just don’t see it.

If Bates was a year older than he is now, playing on the 2008 team, he would be infinitely better than he is. It's a huge difference.
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(01-13-2022 04:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:41 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Bates will be a lottery pick next season when he is eligible.

Depends on his work ethic.

He is going to need to get much stronger.

And his handle is going to need to improve...He is going to need to be an offensively skilled stud because he will be a defensive liability in the league.



ALL 17 year olds need to get stronger and are not yet ready for the NBA, particularly on defense

99.9999999% of NBA HOFers were in same boat at 17.

Over 98% of them were in that same boat at 19.
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(01-13-2022 04:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:37 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Talent doesn’t have anything to do with ball handling imo. Well not a bunch anyway

And Tyler Harris is very talented probably more athletic than Emoni. His problem is he’s a foot shorter

Look I don’t mean any disrespect towards Bates, but I’ve seen lottery picks and he isn’t one. And any team that drafts him is going to find that out. He can still be a good college player but apparently his family has crossed the point of no return in that regard.


I really have nothing to discuss if you genuinely believe ball handling and talent are not directly related to one another... I can pretty much guarantee you will not find any person making a living in the basketball world that agrees with that.

There is a reason Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving can do things with a basketball that I would never be able to do no matter how much work I put into ball handling skills, and that is talent. Their ceiling is simply much higher than mine...

And my conversation had nothing to do with a lottery pick. It was simply you comparing a 19 year old freshman (who really should have been a sophomore in college) to a 17 year old freshman (who should really be a junior in high school). I was simply pointing out that in 2-3 years that Emoni's ball handling will be much better and likely at the level or beyond that of Will Barton's.

You’ve completely missed out on what I’m trying to point out. Forget the talent thing.

Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

So did Tyreke Evans

So did CDR

So did Shawne Williams

So did DWash

Outside of the Lemoyne Owen buy games Emoni hasn’t been a decent division one defender one on one yet. His best move is the pull up jumper

I don’t see how a year is going to help him get better at beating a good defender off the dribble.

If he gets in the weight room maybe he can get stronger at least. But he’s just not an elite player even comparable with the former tigers mentioned above. And half of them even flamed out in the nba, although for most it was off the court stuff.

Have a good day sir

Quote:Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

Rose scored a lot, but didn't figure it out against good competition until after the UAB game, where he went 2-13 from the field, 1-6 from outside, 1-3 from the line and had 3 assists, 3 turnovers and 6 points. That was our 25th game of the year.

Rose was also 20 years old when he hit campus. Bates is still 17. Do you think Derrick Rose would have been a superstar D1 player when he was in the 10th grade? I don't. Rose wasn't even that dominant a high school player when he was Bates' age. This is the video of the 2006 state championship game, that ended 31-29 in overtime.






That is the elephant in the room.

Too many posters are comparing Bates to 19 and 20 year old freshmen. He is 17. Not one single player being mentioned was better than him at 17, nor where they ready to be superstar players at this level at 17.

Nearly all of them struggled as 19 and 20 year old freshman before finding their stride late in the season.

Yet we have a number of posters calling Bates a bust and arguing he lacks NBA talent as a 17 year old freshman.

You guys posting this stuff are absolute morons.

Many of the same posters who were swearing up and down that Lomax was going to be a great point guard when we signed him and swearing up and down that Bates was going to be a superstar point guard out of the box, are the ones slamming them the worst.

Dandridge averages 1 assist every 18.8 minutes. LQ averages 1 assist every 17.7 minutes. Bates averages 1 assist every 17.1. A LOT of our posters told everyone they were idiots if they thought LQ and Bates weren't going to be great point guards.
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(01-13-2022 03:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:37 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:48 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:44 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Will was old for a freshman he was held back so he could be in the same class as his brother. Hopefully we can get 2 years out of Emoni but at this point I doubt it. But I don’t think another year is going to make him a much better ball handler. It sure didn’t help Lomax or Harris. They make the same mistakes they made 3 years ago

You think the talent level is the same between those? People have ceilings. Alo pretty much reached his in high school. I disagree on Harris, he has progressed a lot.

That is like saying nobody can learn to build a skyscraper because your local architect cant.

Talent doesn’t have anything to do with ball handling imo. Well not a bunch anyway

And Tyler Harris is very talented probably more athletic than Emoni. His problem is he’s a foot shorter

Look I don’t mean any disrespect towards Bates, but I’ve seen lottery picks and he isn’t one. And any team that drafts him is going to find that out. He can still be a good college player but apparently his family has crossed the point of no return in that regard.


I really have nothing to discuss if you genuinely believe ball handling and talent are not directly related to one another... I can pretty much guarantee you will not find any person making a living in the basketball world that agrees with that.

There is a reason Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving can do things with a basketball that I would never be able to do no matter how much work I put into ball handling skills, and that is talent. Their ceiling is simply much higher than mine...

And my conversation had nothing to do with a lottery pick. It was simply you comparing a 19 year old freshman (who really should have been a sophomore in college) to a 17 year old freshman (who should really be a junior in high school). I was simply pointing out that in 2-3 years that Emoni's ball handling will be much better and likely at the level or beyond that of Will Barton's.

You’ve completely missed out on what I’m trying to point out. Forget the talent thing.

Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

So did Tyreke Evans

So did CDR

So did Shawne Williams

So did DWash

Outside of the Lemoyne Owen buy games Emoni hasn’t beat a decent division one defender one on one yet. His best move is the pull up jumper

I don’t see how a year is going to help him get better at beating a good defender off the dribble.

If he gets in the weight room maybe he can get stronger at least. But he’s just not an elite player even comparable with the former tigers mentioned above. And half of them even flamed out in the nba, although for most it was off the court stuff.

Have a good day sir

Same silly comparison as Will Barton. They were all significantly older…
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(01-13-2022 04:34 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:37 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Talent doesn’t have anything to do with ball handling imo. Well not a bunch anyway

And Tyler Harris is very talented probably more athletic than Emoni. His problem is he’s a foot shorter

Look I don’t mean any disrespect towards Bates, but I’ve seen lottery picks and he isn’t one. And any team that drafts him is going to find that out. He can still be a good college player but apparently his family has crossed the point of no return in that regard.


I really have nothing to discuss if you genuinely believe ball handling and talent are not directly related to one another... I can pretty much guarantee you will not find any person making a living in the basketball world that agrees with that.

There is a reason Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving can do things with a basketball that I would never be able to do no matter how much work I put into ball handling skills, and that is talent. Their ceiling is simply much higher than mine...

And my conversation had nothing to do with a lottery pick. It was simply you comparing a 19 year old freshman (who really should have been a sophomore in college) to a 17 year old freshman (who should really be a junior in high school). I was simply pointing out that in 2-3 years that Emoni's ball handling will be much better and likely at the level or beyond that of Will Barton's.

You’ve completely missed out on what I’m trying to point out. Forget the talent thing.

Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

So did Tyreke Evans

So did CDR

So did Shawne Williams

So did DWash

Outside of the Lemoyne Owen buy games Emoni hasn’t been a decent division one defender one on one yet. His best move is the pull up jumper

I don’t see how a year is going to help him get better at beating a good defender off the dribble.

If he gets in the weight room maybe he can get stronger at least. But he’s just not an elite player even comparable with the former tigers mentioned above. And half of them even flamed out in the nba, although for most it was off the court stuff.

Have a good day sir

Quote:Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

Rose scored a lot, but didn't figure it out against good competition until after the UAB game, where he went 2-13 from the field, 1-6 from outside, 1-3 from the line and had 3 assists, 3 turnovers and 6 points. That was our 25th game of the year.

Rose was also 20 years old when he hit campus. Bates is still 17. Do you think Derrick Rose would have been a superstar D1 player when he was in the 10th grade? I don't. Rose wasn't even that dominant a high school player when he was Bates' age. This is the video of the 2006 state championship game, that ended 31-29 in overtime.




Rose was born in October 1988 which made him 19 during that 07-08 season. Emoni just turned 18 or will this month. That’s a 15 month difference. You gonna tell me Emoni gonna be on Rose’s level that quick? Sorry I love the kid, I just don’t see it.

Probably not. But Kevin Durant is not as quick, Lebron James, not as quick and pretty much every other NBA player that have ever played sans maybe 5 guys…

But to frame your theory a little. Name one 17 year that has ever sprinted in the Olympics? You probably cannot. You know why? Because 17 year olds are still kids with significant physically maturity left, including speed/quickness. That is kind of the reason we have trainers on staff…
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(01-13-2022 10:53 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:34 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:37 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  I really have nothing to discuss if you genuinely believe ball handling and talent are not directly related to one another... I can pretty much guarantee you will not find any person making a living in the basketball world that agrees with that.

There is a reason Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving can do things with a basketball that I would never be able to do no matter how much work I put into ball handling skills, and that is talent. Their ceiling is simply much higher than mine...

And my conversation had nothing to do with a lottery pick. It was simply you comparing a 19 year old freshman (who really should have been a sophomore in college) to a 17 year old freshman (who should really be a junior in high school). I was simply pointing out that in 2-3 years that Emoni's ball handling will be much better and likely at the level or beyond that of Will Barton's.

You’ve completely missed out on what I’m trying to point out. Forget the talent thing.

Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

So did Tyreke Evans

So did CDR

So did Shawne Williams

So did DWash

Outside of the Lemoyne Owen buy games Emoni hasn’t been a decent division one defender one on one yet. His best move is the pull up jumper

I don’t see how a year is going to help him get better at beating a good defender off the dribble.

If he gets in the weight room maybe he can get stronger at least. But he’s just not an elite player even comparable with the former tigers mentioned above. And half of them even flamed out in the nba, although for most it was off the court stuff.

Have a good day sir

Quote:Derrick Rose beat people off the dribble from the day he hit campus

Rose scored a lot, but didn't figure it out against good competition until after the UAB game, where he went 2-13 from the field, 1-6 from outside, 1-3 from the line and had 3 assists, 3 turnovers and 6 points. That was our 25th game of the year.

Rose was also 20 years old when he hit campus. Bates is still 17. Do you think Derrick Rose would have been a superstar D1 player when he was in the 10th grade? I don't. Rose wasn't even that dominant a high school player when he was Bates' age. This is the video of the 2006 state championship game, that ended 31-29 in overtime.




Rose was born in October 1988 which made him 19 during that 07-08 season. Emoni just turned 18 or will this month. That’s a 15 month difference. You gonna tell me Emoni gonna be on Rose’s level that quick? Sorry I love the kid, I just don’t see it.

Probably not. But Kevin Durant is not as quick, Lebron James, not as quick and pretty much every other NBA player that have ever played sans maybe 5 guys…

But to frame your theory a little. Name one 17 year that has ever sprinted in the Olympics? You probably cannot. You know why? Because 17 year olds are still kids with significant physically maturity left, including speed/quickness. That is kind of the reason we have trainers on staff…

Same with the NFL, MLB, NHL...everything really.
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(01-13-2022 04:43 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:41 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Bates will be a lottery pick next season when he is eligible.

Depends on his work ethic.

He is going to need to get much stronger.

And his handle is going to need to improve...He is going to need to be an offensively skilled stud because he will be a defensive liability in the league.



ALL 17 year olds need to get stronger and are not yet ready for the NBA, particularly on defense

99.9999999% of NBA HOFers were in same boat at 17.

Over 98% of them were in that same boat at 19.

Bates is slow and not very athletic. That aint going to change when he is 19,21 or 25...That is why he will ALWAYS be a defensive liability unless he puts on 40+lbs.

And Duren is 1 Month older than Bates...Compare the two. Bates is behind is his physical development.

Yeah Durant couldn't bench 185lbs when he came into the league but you also couldn't easily knock him off his line when he drove. Bates has a weak base.
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RE: I’m glad Bates had a good game.
(01-14-2022 07:47 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:43 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 03:41 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Bates will be a lottery pick next season when he is eligible.

Depends on his work ethic.

He is going to need to get much stronger.

And his handle is going to need to improve...He is going to need to be an offensively skilled stud because he will be a defensive liability in the league.



ALL 17 year olds need to get stronger and are not yet ready for the NBA, particularly on defense

99.9999999% of NBA HOFers were in same boat at 17.

Over 98% of them were in that same boat at 19.

Bates is slow and not very athletic. That aint going to change when he is 19,21 or 25...That is why he will ALWAYS be a defensive liability unless he puts on 40+lbs.

And Duren is 1 Month older than Bates...Compare the two. Bates is behind is his physical development.

Yeah Durant couldn't bench 185lbs when he came into the league but you also couldn't easily knock him off his line when he drove. Bates has a weak base.



This post will not age well.

Not to mention its just purposely deceptive on multiple levels. Neither Bates or KD were in the NBA at 17.

And yes captain obvious, Bates body is behind the physical FREAK that is Duran. DUH You can say that about 99.99% of all NBA HOFers at 17.

Duran's frame is not normal for a kid his age. Its freakish.

No one is arguing the fact that EB needs to get bigger and stronger, everyone on the planet agrees with that. No one here was suggesting otherwise. We are all agree on this point.
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I think I would not go broke anytime soon if I declared I would pay everyone here a crisp $100 bill every time I ran across a person that sincerely responded to an opposing view or alternate facts with the phrase "I stand corrected"...

I guess you-all wouldn't be HERE if you were the reasonable type type.
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