(01-10-2022 09:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 08:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Multiple statewide audits proved there was no widespread fraud.

No, they didn't, because audits can neither prove nor disprove whether the ballots in the box got there legitimately. After the fact, there is no truly effective way to do that. The only way to ensure validity of ballots is to implement effective preventive controls, which are not present in much of the USA election process, and which were made a mockery by the loosened controls in 2020.

I am not saying that Trump won, so do not lump me with those folks. What I am saying is that we have no way to be truly certain of who did win, because of the loosey goosey "controls" over voter access. What else I am saying is the the "Trump won" crowd should be doing everything possible to tighten those controls in the future instead of crying over spilled milk, because that's all that can be done at this point.

Yes
No
Yes
No

Doesn't matter now. Biden (well a skeleton that looks like Biden) is president.


Hopefully steps are being taken to close these loopholes for future elections - wow I almost typed that entire last sentence without laughing out loud.

(01-10-2022 10:32 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 09:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 08:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Multiple statewide audits proved there was no widespread fraud.

No, they didn't, because audits can neither prove nor disprove whether the ballots in the box got there legitimately. After the fact, there is no truly effective way to do that. The only way to ensure validity of ballots is to implement effective preventive controls, which are not present in much of the USA election process, and which were made a mockery by the loosened controls in 2020.

I am not saying that Trump won, so do not lump me with those folks. What I am saying is that we have no way to be truly certain of who did win, because of the loosey goosey "controls" over voter access. What else I am saying is the the "Trump won" crowd should be doing everything possible to tighten those controls in the future instead of crying over spilled milk, because that's all that can be done at this point.

Paper trail is always preferable to electronic only. As for not being able to prove validity, that game can be played by anyone willing to believe they live in a banana republic. With mail-ins it’s quite easy to take two conflicting ballots and either disqualify them both or simply verify intent with the voter. The fact is, these local election precincts are very capable of drilling down from disputed ballot to voter… and if what you claim could have happened actually happened, then there would be thousands of voters with duplicate ballots. There weren’t.

You did not voice these same concerns in 2016… in what amounted to a much narrower margin in states like PA with no paper trail in place to validate.

https://abc13.com/mail-in-ballots-mail-i...d/6577247/

You see your willful ignorance of mail in ballots being safe is by definition called Delusional Disorder. First who in their right mind believes our Postal system is competent enough to actually deliver the ballots to the right precincts? Second, you are basically allowing many hands to handle ballots who can easily discard or lose them whether on purpose or not. Third, knowing how corrupt our politicians and political system is only a naive person who just came into our country via banana boat would assume there would NOT be something underhanded going on when there is an opportunity and it’s to your advantage.

Keep sipping the Kool Aid it looks great on you.

These 9 mistakenly discarded ballots are your proof of orchastrated voter? fraud?

Again, if your guy lost and you need to explain that loss with conspiracy then no amount of protocols would suffice. Donald Trump claimed voter fraud in the Republican primaries. He claimed voter fraud months before the general. He was planting the seed long before, because this was always his fall back. Sadly, he’s found a gullible, willing public. I suppose he always has.

(01-10-2022 11:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:32 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 09:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 08:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Multiple statewide audits proved there was no widespread fraud.

No, they didn't, because audits can neither prove nor disprove whether the ballots in the box got there legitimately. After the fact, there is no truly effective way to do that. The only way to ensure validity of ballots is to implement effective preventive controls, which are not present in much of the USA election process, and which were made a mockery by the loosened controls in 2020.

I am not saying that Trump won, so do not lump me with those folks. What I am saying is that we have no way to be truly certain of who did win, because of the loosey goosey "controls" over voter access. What else I am saying is the the "Trump won" crowd should be doing everything possible to tighten those controls in the future instead of crying over spilled milk, because that's all that can be done at this point.

Paper trail is always preferable to electronic only. As for not being able to prove validity, that game can be played by anyone willing to believe they live in a banana republic. With mail-ins it’s quite easy to take two conflicting ballots and either disqualify them both or simply verify intent with the voter. The fact is, these local election precincts are very capable of drilling down from disputed ballot to voter… and if what you claim could have happened actually happened, then there would be thousands of voters with duplicate ballots. There weren’t.

You did not voice these same concerns in 2016… in what amounted to a much narrower margin in states like PA with no paper trail in place to validate.

https://abc13.com/mail-in-ballots-mail-i...d/6577247/

You see your willful ignorance of mail in ballots being safe is by definition called Delusional Disorder. First who in their right mind believes our Postal system is competent enough to actually deliver the ballots to the right precincts? Second, you are basically allowing many hands to handle ballots who can easily discard or lose them whether on purpose or not. Third, knowing how corrupt our politicians and political system is only a naive person who just came into our country via banana boat would assume there would NOT be something underhanded going on when there is an opportunity and it’s to your advantage.

Keep sipping the Kool Aid it looks great on you.

These 9 mistakenly discarded ballots are your proof of orchastrated voter? fraud?

Again, if your guy lost and you need to explain that loss with conspiracy then no amount of protocols would suffice. Donald Trump claimed voter fraud in the Republican primaries. He claimed voter fraud months before the general. He was planting the seed long before, because this was always his fall back. Sadly, he’s found a gullible, willing public. I suppose he always has.

That was but just one example that was actually exposed. Countless others occurred that were NEVER uncovered.

As for Trump, he is in his own class of throwing out allegations whether he has proof or not. So, that’s not my point here and you know it.

As far as fraud in elections this wasn’t the first nor will it be the last.

(01-10-2022 11:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:32 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 09:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 08:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Multiple statewide audits proved there was no widespread fraud.

No, they didn't, because audits can neither prove nor disprove whether the ballots in the box got there legitimately. After the fact, there is no truly effective way to do that. The only way to ensure validity of ballots is to implement effective preventive controls, which are not present in much of the USA election process, and which were made a mockery by the loosened controls in 2020.

I am not saying that Trump won, so do not lump me with those folks. What I am saying is that we have no way to be truly certain of who did win, because of the loosey goosey "controls" over voter access. What else I am saying is the the "Trump won" crowd should be doing everything possible to tighten those controls in the future instead of crying over spilled milk, because that's all that can be done at this point.

Paper trail is always preferable to electronic only. As for not being able to prove validity, that game can be played by anyone willing to believe they live in a banana republic. With mail-ins it’s quite easy to take two conflicting ballots and either disqualify them both or simply verify intent with the voter. The fact is, these local election precincts are very capable of drilling down from disputed ballot to voter… and if what you claim could have happened actually happened, then there would be thousands of voters with duplicate ballots. There weren’t.

You did not voice these same concerns in 2016… in what amounted to a much narrower margin in states like PA with no paper trail in place to validate.

https://abc13.com/mail-in-ballots-mail-i...d/6577247/

You see your willful ignorance of mail in ballots being safe is by definition called Delusional Disorder. First who in their right mind believes our Postal system is competent enough to actually deliver the ballots to the right precincts? Second, you are basically allowing many hands to handle ballots who can easily discard or lose them whether on purpose or not. Third, knowing how corrupt our politicians and political system is only a naive person who just came into our country via banana boat would assume there would NOT be something underhanded going on when there is an opportunity and it’s to your advantage.

Keep sipping the Kool Aid it looks great on you.

These 9 mistakenly discarded ballots are your proof of orchastrated voter? fraud?

Again, if your guy lost and you need to explain that loss with conspiracy then no amount of protocols would suffice. Donald Trump claimed voter fraud in the Republican primaries. He claimed voter fraud months before the general. He was planting the seed long before, because this was always his fall back. Sadly, he’s found a gullible, willing public. I suppose he always has.

Yet the left believes the vaccine prevents Covid infection, that Hillary lost in 2016 due to $100K in Russian Facebook ads, that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, that the Hunter Bidens lap top was fake Russian disinformation, and that 2020 was the safest and most fraud free election ever held. Hell, you guys even think Biden is competent---despite the current supply chain disaster, the current inflation disaster, the televised Afghanistan disaster....and a likely coming economic recession.

(01-10-2022 11:34 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 11:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:32 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 09:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No, they didn't, because audits can neither prove nor disprove whether the ballots in the box got there legitimately. After the fact, there is no truly effective way to do that. The only way to ensure validity of ballots is to implement effective preventive controls, which are not present in much of the USA election process, and which were made a mockery by the loosened controls in 2020.

I am not saying that Trump won, so do not lump me with those folks. What I am saying is that we have no way to be truly certain of who did win, because of the loosey goosey "controls" over voter access. What else I am saying is the the "Trump won" crowd should be doing everything possible to tighten those controls in the future instead of crying over spilled milk, because that's all that can be done at this point.

Paper trail is always preferable to electronic only. As for not being able to prove validity, that game can be played by anyone willing to believe they live in a banana republic. With mail-ins it’s quite easy to take two conflicting ballots and either disqualify them both or simply verify intent with the voter. The fact is, these local election precincts are very capable of drilling down from disputed ballot to voter… and if what you claim could have happened actually happened, then there would be thousands of voters with duplicate ballots. There weren’t.

You did not voice these same concerns in 2016… in what amounted to a much narrower margin in states like PA with no paper trail in place to validate.

https://abc13.com/mail-in-ballots-mail-i...d/6577247/

You see your willful ignorance of mail in ballots being safe is by definition called Delusional Disorder. First who in their right mind believes our Postal system is competent enough to actually deliver the ballots to the right precincts? Second, you are basically allowing many hands to handle ballots who can easily discard or lose them whether on purpose or not. Third, knowing how corrupt our politicians and political system is only a naive person who just came into our country via banana boat would assume there would NOT be something underhanded going on when there is an opportunity and it’s to your advantage.

Keep sipping the Kool Aid it looks great on you.

These 9 mistakenly discarded ballots are your proof of orchastrated voter? fraud?

Again, if your guy lost and you need to explain that loss with conspiracy then no amount of protocols would suffice. Donald Trump claimed voter fraud in the Republican primaries. He claimed voter fraud months before the general. He was planting the seed long before, because this was always his fall back. Sadly, he’s found a gullible, willing public. I suppose he always has.

Yet the left believes the vaccine prevents Covid infection, that Hillary lost in 2016 due to $100K in Russian Facebook ads, that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, that the Hunter Bidens lap top was fake Russian disinformation, and that 2020 was the safest and most fraud free election ever held. Hell, you guys even think Biden is competent---despite the current supply chain disaster, the current inflation disaster, the televised Afghanistan disaster....and a likely coming economic recession.

Our intelligence agencies concluded the GRU worked to the benefit of the Trump campaign & the Trump campaign shared campaign intelligence with the GRU. These are undisputed facts.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/rus...ar-AASooar

https://thehill.com/policy/national-secu...ce-officer

(01-08-2022 09:29 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 09:17 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 08:13 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I always refer to it as the "Capitol Kerfuffle" which is the most suitable term for what happened.

Anyone who thinks this was an insurrection is smokin crack.

I call it the Capital Keg-Party.... I have been to far worse frat party's at Umass back in the 80's

It’s rightfully called an insurrection, because that what it was. The single reason those trumpers were there was to try to overturn a duly elected POTUS. They failed at that, like they did in 2018, 2020 and 2021.

In the Dictionary and under the law, Insurrection = an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence.

WASHINGTON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusi...021-08-20/

(01-10-2022 01:09 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 01:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 12:51 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 12:32 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 12:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  You made a truthful point so he deflected like always.

So again, where do all the duplicated paper ballots go?

That is not a serious answer to the points that were raised. Its just more deflection and spin.

By now its well established that you are not here for intellectually honest debate, you are here to spin, lie and troll for your "team".

And based on recent threads it also appears that your lunacy goes far deeper than you let on here.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-939771.html

Sure it is… according to Owl, fake ballots are mailed & entered. So what happens to the “real” ballot? There are 2 ballots for thousands of voters per voting precinct, so who coordinates & disposes of the duplicate?

No its not.

You know full well there was no real way to verify 70 million mail in votes in 2020, you know full well one of the driving points behind all of this was greatly lessening protections and voting security.

Your not stupid, your just un-apologetically dishonest person and proud of it when it comes to politics.

Lies, cheat, steal, even go full communism if it means your side is in power.

And again it appears you are a FAR bigger degenerate freak than you let on here.

The hard part becomes...how was it that most republican candidates in higher tiered offices outperformed Trump?

You saying the Democrats managed to switch votes only at the Presidential level but decided not to also change votes down ballot?

Or, how is it that in Republican controlled counties (with Republican led election commissions) Trump, more often than not, UNDERPERFORMED vs. 2016?

Are we also saying Republican led election commissions helped Biden cheat?

I'm all up for a good conspiracy theory, but until the downballot stuff can be explained and also the fact in the reddest of counties run by the reddest of election commissions Trump didn't do any better (and many times worse) than 2016.

I will recognize the "vote any way possible" really opened up voting to a lot more casuals who probably just voted how they were told or were aided in some way, but we let ignorant mf'ers vote every cycle.

(01-10-2022 01:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 01:09 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 01:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 12:51 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 12:32 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  So again, where do all the duplicated paper ballots go?

That is not a serious answer to the points that were raised. Its just more deflection and spin.

By now its well established that you are not here for intellectually honest debate, you are here to spin, lie and troll for your "team".

And based on recent threads it also appears that your lunacy goes far deeper than you let on here.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-939771.html

Sure it is… according to Owl, fake ballots are mailed & entered. So what happens to the “real” ballot? There are 2 ballots for thousands of voters per voting precinct, so who coordinates & disposes of the duplicate?

No its not.

You know full well there was no real way to verify 70 million mail in votes in 2020, you know full well one of the driving points behind all of this was greatly lessening protections and voting security.

Your not stupid, your just un-apologetically dishonest person and proud of it when it comes to politics.

Lies, cheat, steal, even go full communism if it means your side is in power.

And again it appears you are a FAR bigger degenerate freak than you let on here.

The hard part becomes...how was it that most republican candidates in higher tiered offices outperformed Trump?

You saying the Democrats managed to switch votes only at the Presidential level but decided not to also change votes down ballot?

Or, how is it that in Republican controlled counties (with Republican led election commissions) Trump, more often than not, UNDERPERFORMED vs. 2016?

Are we also saying Republican led election commissions helped Biden cheat?

I'm all up for a good conspiracy theory, but until the downballot stuff can be explained and also the fact in the reddest of counties run by the reddest of election commissions Trump didn't do any better (and many times worse) than 2016.

I will recognize the "vote any way possible" really opened up voting to a lot more casuals who probably just voted how they were told or were aided in some way, but we let ignorant mf'ers vote every cycle.

I'm convinced that there was material cheating in certain big cities.

I'm even more certain that there were *many* voters who chose Biden over Trump even though they voted Republican down the ballot. A lot of independent and normal Republican voters did not like Trump and did not want him in office for another 4 years. It's not rocket science. Sorry if that reality hurts feelings.

I'm also convinced that many who voted for Biden to oust Trump now have some buyer's remorse.

I always marvel at people who can rationalize conspiracy theories. Complicated schemes, arcane technology, and counting on hundreds or even thousands of people to keep secrets. Yeah, that **** totally makes sense.

Consider applying Occam's Razor: The guy whose approval ratings were never above 50%, often as low as the 30s, and whose disapproval ratings were almost always well above 50%... lost an election. Where is the surprise there? It's a completely logical and predictable outcome.

(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would be a hell of a lot easier to flip votes without paper ballots as back up. Hillary lost by a handful of votes in 3 states… The case could easily be made it would have been much easier to cheat her; & he had Russian GRU openly hacking on his behalf.

Hillary won.

It's hard to pick up tone here sometimes. You're kidding right? You're definitely not trying to say the Biden/Voter Fraud election conspiracy is crap but the Trump/Russia conspiracy is totally legit. RIGHT?!

Of late the difference between conspiracy theory and fact is about 6-9 months.

(01-10-2022 11:57 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 11:34 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 11:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:32 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Paper trail is always preferable to electronic only. As for not being able to prove validity, that game can be played by anyone willing to believe they live in a banana republic. With mail-ins it’s quite easy to take two conflicting ballots and either disqualify them both or simply verify intent with the voter. The fact is, these local election precincts are very capable of drilling down from disputed ballot to voter… and if what you claim could have happened actually happened, then there would be thousands of voters with duplicate ballots. There weren’t.

You did not voice these same concerns in 2016… in what amounted to a much narrower margin in states like PA with no paper trail in place to validate.

https://abc13.com/mail-in-ballots-mail-i...d/6577247/

You see your willful ignorance of mail in ballots being safe is by definition called Delusional Disorder. First who in their right mind believes our Postal system is competent enough to actually deliver the ballots to the right precincts? Second, you are basically allowing many hands to handle ballots who can easily discard or lose them whether on purpose or not. Third, knowing how corrupt our politicians and political system is only a naive person who just came into our country via banana boat would assume there would NOT be something underhanded going on when there is an opportunity and it’s to your advantage.

Keep sipping the Kool Aid it looks great on you.

These 9 mistakenly discarded ballots are your proof of orchastrated voter? fraud?

Again, if your guy lost and you need to explain that loss with conspiracy then no amount of protocols would suffice. Donald Trump claimed voter fraud in the Republican primaries. He claimed voter fraud months before the general. He was planting the seed long before, because this was always his fall back. Sadly, he’s found a gullible, willing public. I suppose he always has.

Yet the left believes the vaccine prevents Covid infection, that Hillary lost in 2016 due to $100K in Russian Facebook ads, that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, that the Hunter Bidens lap top was fake Russian disinformation, and that 2020 was the safest and most fraud free election ever held. Hell, you guys even think Biden is competent---despite the current supply chain disaster, the current inflation disaster, the televised Afghanistan disaster....and a likely coming economic recession.

Our intelligence agencies concluded the GRU worked to the benefit of the Trump campaign & the Trump campaign shared campaign intelligence with the GRU. These are undisputed facts.

The same intelligence agencies who were in on the russian collusion fraud?

Our intelligence agencies also told us there were WMDs in Iraq. Remember how angry y'all were about that? I do.

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(01-10-2022 07:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I always marvel at people who can rationalize conspiracy theories. Complicated schemes, arcane technology, and counting on hundreds or even thousands of people to keep secrets. Yeah, that **** totally makes sense.

Consider applying Occam's Razor: The guy whose approval ratings were never above 50%, often as low as the 30s, and whose disapproval ratings were almost always well above 50%... lost an election. Where is the surprise there? It's a completely logical and predictable outcome.

(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would be a hell of a lot easier to flip votes without paper ballots as back up. Hillary lost by a handful of votes in 3 states… The case could easily be made it would have been much easier to cheat her; & he had Russian GRU openly hacking on his behalf.

Hillary won.

It's hard to pick up tone here sometimes. You're kidding right? You're definitely not trying to say the Biden/Voter Fraud election conspiracy is crap but the Trump/Russia conspiracy is totally legit. RIGHT?!

Well approval ratings can be influenced by the media, or lack thereof, so that has to factor in I would think. Regarding the outcome, simply looking at the statistical anomalies would make one think or at want to investigate those anomalies...coming from someone who voted for neither Trump or Biden.

And YES notsomensa is that guy

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Simple questions...Why is the left, who just won an election by "all those millions of votes" and got massive turnout in historical low turnout areas, wanting to change the rules or cement rules that were enacted due to covid when covid wont be here forever? How can they claim voter suppression with those results? How did they get those results? Where did they come from?

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(01-10-2022 07:37 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 11:57 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 11:34 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 11:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 10:32 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  https://abc13.com/mail-in-ballots-mail-i...d/6577247/

You see your willful ignorance of mail in ballots being safe is by definition called Delusional Disorder. First who in their right mind believes our Postal system is competent enough to actually deliver the ballots to the right precincts? Second, you are basically allowing many hands to handle ballots who can easily discard or lose them whether on purpose or not. Third, knowing how corrupt our politicians and political system is only a naive person who just came into our country via banana boat would assume there would NOT be something underhanded going on when there is an opportunity and it’s to your advantage.

Keep sipping the Kool Aid it looks great on you.

These 9 mistakenly discarded ballots are your proof of orchastrated voter? fraud?

Again, if your guy lost and you need to explain that loss with conspiracy then no amount of protocols would suffice. Donald Trump claimed voter fraud in the Republican primaries. He claimed voter fraud months before the general. He was planting the seed long before, because this was always his fall back. Sadly, he’s found a gullible, willing public. I suppose he always has.

Yet the left believes the vaccine prevents Covid infection, that Hillary lost in 2016 due to $100K in Russian Facebook ads, that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, that the Hunter Bidens lap top was fake Russian disinformation, and that 2020 was the safest and most fraud free election ever held. Hell, you guys even think Biden is competent---despite the current supply chain disaster, the current inflation disaster, the televised Afghanistan disaster....and a likely coming economic recession.

Our intelligence agencies concluded the GRU worked to the benefit of the Trump campaign & the Trump campaign shared campaign intelligence with the GRU. These are undisputed facts.

The same intelligence agencies who were in on the russian collusion fraud?

No. The same ones who forgot he was up for election in 2020. Idiots forgot to collude and help the great Putin dik holster win in his re-election.

(01-10-2022 07:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I always marvel at people who can rationalize conspiracy theories. Complicated schemes, arcane technology, and counting on hundreds or even thousands of people to keep secrets. Yeah, that **** totally makes sense.

Consider applying Occam's Razor: The guy whose approval ratings were never above 50%, often as low as the 30s, and whose disapproval ratings were almost always well above 50%... lost an election. Where is the surprise there? It's a completely logical and predictable outcome.

(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would be a hell of a lot easier to flip votes without paper ballots as back up. Hillary lost by a handful of votes in 3 states… The case could easily be made it would have been much easier to cheat her; & he had Russian GRU openly hacking on his behalf.

Hillary won.

It's hard to pick up tone here sometimes. You're kidding right? You're definitely not trying to say the Biden/Voter Fraud election conspiracy is crap but the Trump/Russia conspiracy is totally legit. RIGHT?!

Yes, I was being facetious. I do not believe Hillary won.

(01-10-2022 08:08 PM)maximus Wrote:  Simple questions...Why is the left, who just won an election by "all those millions of votes" and got massive turnout in historical low turnout areas, wanting to change the rules or cement rules that were enacted due to covid when covid wont be here forever? How can they claim voter suppression with those results? How did they get those results? Where did they come from?

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You already know the answers to the questions you just asked. Those that worship the Democratic Party and their mostly propaganda spewing Politicians will do anything to hold on to power. A means to an end.

Voter Fraud has been going on for decades and will never stop because there is too much at stake dollar wise.

The bar has definitely been lowered for the Presidency as well. To believe our elections are beyond reproach is laughable.

Where is the proof? I need to see proof. Not really. With the advent of computers and software things are easily manipulated that once could be solidly verified can now only be speculated to be correct.

Here is your example and its in the automotive industry and it goes on daily. Alternators just stops charging for no apparent reason or so it would appear. The battery did not fail and none of the wear parts were remotely used up. Disassembly of the alternator would still look factory new. Yet it failed and the suspect was a pristine clean voltage regulator. After so many hours of operation the voltage regulator was programmed to open an internal gate that would mean it would no longer charge your battery. There is no way to validate that this is intentional as the manufacturer simply says it failed and there really is no way of knowing other than those engineers who know that failed parts is a money making industry. This goes on anywhere software is involved. Those that have been caught simply destroy the software programs and no evidence to convict.

Of course even Hillary knows this and therefore destroyed all the CDs and software of her illegal activities.

(01-09-2022 03:57 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 03:42 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 03:31 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 03:06 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 02:40 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  Hey max, why you keep asking me the same question that I’ve already answered? In this very thread, and post you quoted?

Where is that exactly. Im on Tapatalk and dont see any post unless its buried in a post with multiple responses.

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Posting this from the browser for this one.

Youre a damn liar. You havent answered a single question I have asked.

Now you gonna troll or actually answer the questions i asked?

Like I predicted i doubt you answer them.

lol max. Chill a bit. Being that angry is not good for anyone’s health.

But just for the sake of it, assume I’m a liar (I’m not) and that indeed it wasn’t an insurrection, what harm did that do? After all, I didn’t storm the capital, to hang pence, overturn the election and destroy our democracy.
Funny you’re ok with folks doing those horrid things and will defend them till you are blue in face, but are having conniptions because you don’t like a word some guy on message board says.

Can’t make this crap up.

No thats not how it works and Im not mad other than having to put up with one more obvious troll on this board.

Youre lying and you wont answer because you dont have an answer to what I asked. You cant refute anything that I posted. All youre capable of is posting things like this...nonsense

Now, you want to try again? And while youre at it, post where I have said anything about supporting anything that happened on January 6th of 2020.

Dig that hole dude

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Must have scared the troll off

Simple questions asked, I predicted he wouldnt answer, he deflects, he runs.

Par for the course

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(01-10-2022 09:22 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 07:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I always marvel at people who can rationalize conspiracy theories. Complicated schemes, arcane technology, and counting on hundreds or even thousands of people to keep secrets. Yeah, that **** totally makes sense.

Consider applying Occam's Razor: The guy whose approval ratings were never above 50%, often as low as the 30s, and whose disapproval ratings were almost always well above 50%... lost an election. Where is the surprise there? It's a completely logical and predictable outcome.

(01-10-2022 12:37 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  It would be a hell of a lot easier to flip votes without paper ballots as back up. Hillary lost by a handful of votes in 3 states… The case could easily be made it would have been much easier to cheat her; & he had Russian GRU openly hacking on his behalf.

Hillary won.

It's hard to pick up tone here sometimes. You're kidding right? You're definitely not trying to say the Biden/Voter Fraud election conspiracy is crap but the Trump/Russia conspiracy is totally legit. RIGHT?!

Yes, I was being facetious. I do not believe Hillary won.

Appreciate the clarity!