(02-08-2022 10:18 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 09:20 PM)Arch Stanton Wrote:  The ACC should have added Johns Hopkins as an associate lax member.

I think JHU wanted to go there from what was floating around from that time with their public search. I think their official statement even referenced they had reached out to the ACC but didn’t get a response. Informally, from what I remember reading in different places, ACC was a favored location. I knew keeping some of the rivalries going was a factor, and that put the ACC and the Big Ten/Maryland in a good spot. The ESPN synergies were nice, too.

FWIW, I think this is one of the most understated blunders of the ACC over the last round of expansion. You heard chatter about the conference (ACC) being so strong that it didn’t need another member for AQ, and didn’t need a tournament. Yet, new ESPN deal, and surprise-surprise…they create a tournament for tv and applied for the AQ waiver. Yeah, still true that the ACC may own the sport, but the Big Ten got awfully good very quick under its new banner, and the Hopkins addition was a huge boost. And I don’t believe, based on what still floats out there, that Hopkins is where it really wanted to be. That they don’t love the Big Ten affiliation.

I don’t doubt that Hopkins would thrive playing lacrosse in the ACC. They have good rivalries with Syracuse and UVa. The geography is a little better, the competition is slightly stronger, and the institutional profiles are more similar.

Regardless, it’s hard to see Hopkins leaving the B1G. Maryland is their biggest rival and other B1G programs keep getting better.

(05-27-2023 09:39 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Good final 4 today. Think it’s still a sport that makes more sense for schools to add given the growth of the sport. Once the SEC adds the sport i feel like they’ll takeover.

Lacrosse is growing in the Southeast, but it's still not very prevalent.

I think if the SEC makes an effort to build a lacrosse league, they'll be competitive as they have resources, but I highly doubt they take over. As long as there are other regions of the country where there's more of a local culture around the game, the SEC will lag behind.

Lacrosse will continue to grow.

The challenge to growing in the South is that college baseball is still very popular. Adding men's LAX means adding enough women's athletics to make it work. -So two sports teams.

(05-29-2023 10:32 AM)chess Wrote:  Lacrosse will continue to grow.

The challenge to growing in the South is that college baseball is still very popular. Adding men's LAX means adding enough women's athletics to make it work. -So two sports teams.

Baseball in the South is like hockey or basketball in North. I know that fact throws a lot of Northerners for a loop, but, it's true!!!

I can see LAX being more popular than hockey though.

(05-29-2023 10:42 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 10:32 AM)chess Wrote:  Lacrosse will continue to grow.

The challenge to growing in the South is that college baseball is still very popular. Adding men's LAX means adding enough women's athletics to make it work. -So two sports teams.

Baseball in the South is like hockey or basketball in North. I know that fact throws a lot of Northerners for a loop, but, it's true!!!

I can see LAX being more popular than hockey though.

lax in the south has made great strides but is still 10 years behind. its going to take a little bit.

great signs of growth have been the D2 program growth.... Tampa last year, Lenior Rhyne this year. its slowly getting there in a area where baseball is THE sport for spring.

With only 12.6 scholarships to give out and roster sizes of 50+, men's lacrosse can easily bring in 40 full-pay equivalents in tuition dollars annually due to the affluent nature of the sport. That's a lot of topline revenue going straight to the University (especially for privates), and also it's very handy also if you have a female-heavy overall enrollment picture, as many schools are at around 60% female now. It also will help bring the overall GPA up, too, and facilities needs can be quite minor, as it fits on existing fields.

Lacrosse has largely stalled out in Division I, both as a function of Title IX and the lack of major talent outside the region from Maryland to Long Island to fill competitive teams.

Yes, there are private schools playing it elsewhere, but it's not in the public school leagues the way baseball is.

If the SEC suddenly started lacrosse you’d probably see an increase at the high school level in those states.

(05-29-2023 05:54 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  If the SEC suddenly started lacrosse you’d probably see an increase at the high school level in those states.

The private middle and high school in Mobile, Alabama I attended has had a "club" boys team for several years now. The schedule is heavy on New Orleans/Baton Rouge area schools, but they do seem to have a greater number of in-state schools on their schedule each year.

(05-29-2023 06:18 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 05:54 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  If the SEC suddenly started lacrosse you’d probably see an increase at the high school level in those states.

The private middle and high school in Mobile, Alabama I attended has had a "club" boys team for several years now. The schedule is heavy on New Orleans/Baton Rouge area schools, but they do seem to have a greater number of in-state schools on their schedule each year.

I know some of the wealthier schools in the Birmingham area have lacrosse clubs. Or did at one time, not sure if they still do. One inner city school had one thanks to donations from the others.

(05-27-2023 10:38 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I don’t doubt that Hopkins would thrive playing lacrosse in the ACC. They have good rivalries with Syracuse and UVa. The geography is a little better, the competition is slightly stronger, and the institutional profiles are more similar.

Regardless, it’s hard to see Hopkins leaving the B1G. Maryland is their biggest rival and other B1G programs keep getting better.

I just remember finding it strange that the school would reference its inability to connect with the ACC in its statement about membership when it joined the Big Ten. And maybe an all-ACC men's lacrosse championship game will be the latest excuse some of the ardent gatekeepers will have about the ACC not needing Hopkins, but, whatever. There does appear to be a power-balance change happening in the sport, and the Big Ten is getting noticeably better. Hopkins is helping that out. I mean, heck, the Big Ten got more bids than the ACC. The Ivy League sent as many teams as the ACC, and that's no slight to either, but does add some weight to both the Big Ten's and Ivy's commitment toward the sport.

Lax? So, any who dump theirs called ex-lax schools? :-)

Watched the Penn State - Duke men's game, as well as the Northwestern women's championship.

Fun, exciting, easy to follow - a lot better suited for TV than hockey, IMHO.


But it needs replay on goals!!

No FBS team is adding a men's team sport. If you have the extra money, you spend it on football. That's the world we live in.

(05-30-2023 11:00 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  No FBS team is adding a men's team sport. If you have the extra money, you spend it on football. That's the world we live in.

Slowly but surely you will see Northern/Eastern schools replace baseball with lacrosse. Compared to lacrosse baseball is a slow plodding sport that todays' kids don't have the temperament or attention span to follow.

(05-30-2023 08:01 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 11:00 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  No FBS team is adding a men's team sport. If you have the extra money, you spend it on football. That's the world we live in.

Slowly but surely you will see Northern/Eastern schools replace baseball with lacrosse. Compared to lacrosse baseball is a slow plodding sport that todays' kids don't have the temperament or attention span to follow.

It works perfectly in the two hour time frame that TV loves.

If FSU starts any new men’s sports it would probably be soccer. The women’s soccer program is a national power, a men’s program I’d imagine wouid have potential to be above average.

(05-30-2023 08:01 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 11:00 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  No FBS team is adding a men's team sport. If you have the extra money, you spend it on football. That's the world we live in.

Slowly but surely you will see Northern/Eastern schools replace baseball with lacrosse. Compared to lacrosse baseball is a slow plodding sport that todays' kids don't have the temperament or attention span to follow.

yes and no to this... i think colleges in the north will realize it doesn't make financial sense to be 1 of 299 programs and spending 100K to travel south for a month or 2. only to be told on selection sunday by the baseball committee "they aren't familiar with the northeast". couple that with having to compete with MLB for eyeballs (who are about to have their own TV problem), doesn't seem like a healthy mix.

the other side is, less males are attending college so schools will need a way to keep male enrollment #s. baseball like lacrosse does that. both have big aid to participation gaps, where you can get 30-40 tuition paying athletes.

(05-30-2023 08:53 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  If FSU starts any new men’s sports it would probably be soccer. The women’s soccer program is a national power, a men’s program I’d imagine wouid have potential to be above average.

some reading for you about FSU lacrosse with some soccer tidbits

https://www.collegecrosse.com/2018/7/9/1...n-thrasher

(05-30-2023 10:13 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  Lax? So, any who dump theirs called ex-lax schools? :-)

Well, Boston College would qualify. It dropped Division I men's lacrosse in 2002.

https://bceagles.com/news/2002/4/27/Men_...11_10.aspx