(01-13-2022 07:50 AM)PusherT Wrote:  This conversation is hilarious lol no matter how much rebranding UB and SBU do many instate people still consider Albany and Binghamton better schools anyway lol. And the true powerhouse brand institutions in NYS are Cornell,Syracuse,Columbia. Hell I would rank Colgate better than UB/SBU. If you wanted a real New York State powerhouses I would try to convince Cornell into taking the mantle or merge SUNY ESF and SUNY upstate medical with Syracuse University but those schools don’t want too

I think Syracuse would reconsider something similar that Cornell has being part private and state. Syracuse needs the research revenue from Upstate and ESF.

(01-13-2022 03:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 01:01 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:12 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 10:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Stony Brook should be renamed Empire State University and the mascot should be the Spiders.

And maybe change CUNY to Gotham City University!

Funny though, SUNY Empire State exists, New York Tech is taken, SUNY Poly is taken though it may go back to SUNY Institute of Technology in the coming years when the state gives back the College of Nano to UAlbany.

How about Buffalo to New York State University, then get Stony Brook a veterinarian college, start seaweed farming at Southampton, and rename it New York A&M! Go Sea Aggies!

Unfortunately, Cornell is NY A&M. However, here is something could be done:

UB= University of New York
SBU= New York State University

Too confusing when you already have NYU

UB= NY Western
SBU=LISU

Nah, UB was conceived as a private U. of Western NY, before that stalled and become UB. I am glad that happened, no directional limbo and the concept of Buffalo, NY is better known nationally.

(01-13-2022 07:50 AM)PusherT Wrote:  This conversation is hilarious lol no matter how much rebranding UB and SBU do many instate people still consider Albany and Binghamton better schools anyway lol. And the true powerhouse brand institutions in NYS are Cornell,Syracuse,Columbia. Hell I would rank Colgate better than UB/SBU. If you wanted a real New York State powerhouses I would try to convince Cornell into taking the mantle or merge SUNY ESF and SUNY upstate medical with Syracuse University but those schools don’t want too

I grew up in the Southern Tier and yes you hear Colgate at times. But it is a small CNY school, and even Hamilton College is slightly better. It's Lehigh or Bucknell of NY. You never hear about Colgate in WNY, for example. It is a big state of 20M with many regions of nice, monied, private liberal arts schools. The research AAU's, SU, RPI maybe Fordham, those are the ones with true clout.

Albany better?! True trolling there. When I went there before transferring out students always call it SMalbany. Not big time. Just a good research U. Bingo, Geneseo, Purchase, they have the very nice undergrad reputations.

I have always respected Buffalo — the city, the university and Bulls sports.

As a Memphis fan, I would be pleased to have UB in the AAC.

(01-13-2022 04:53 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 07:50 AM)PusherT Wrote:  This conversation is hilarious lol no matter how much rebranding UB and SBU do many instate people still consider Albany and Binghamton better schools anyway lol. And the true powerhouse brand institutions in NYS are Cornell,Syracuse,Columbia. Hell I would rank Colgate better than UB/SBU. If you wanted a real New York State powerhouses I would try to convince Cornell into taking the mantle or merge SUNY ESF and SUNY upstate medical with Syracuse University but those schools don’t want too

I grew up in the Southern Tier and yes you hear Colgate at times. But it is a small CNY school, and even Hamilton College is slightly better. It's Lehigh or Bucknell of NY. You never hear about Colgate in WNY, for example. It is a big state of 20M with many regions of nice, monied, private liberal arts schools. The research AAU's, SU, RPI maybe Fordham, those are the ones with true clout.

Albany better?! True trolling there. When I went there before transferring out students always call it SMalbany. Not big time. Just a good research U. Bingo, Geneseo, Purchase, they have the very nice undergrad reputations.

I would throw RIT/Rochester in there as well. Rochester is a top 60 AAU and RIT, while not quite RPI, has an outstanding reputation. While I'm from the Southern Tier/Finger Lakes (Section 4, baby), if you spend time anywhere west of Binghamton, the two have a huge reputation and (in the case of U of R) would also be in that better than any of flagship group.

Albany’s reputation is in the gutter. It’s not even close to being on SBU or Buffalo’s level now.

(01-10-2022 08:21 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 06:30 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 06:23 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 03:30 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Sure - I see the existence of schools like Colgate and Rochester, although Colgate is more of a small liberal arts college and Rochester is about the size of an Ivy League school. My point is that NYU is massive where it's the size of a public flagship, including larger than any of the SUNY institutions. Syracuse isn't that far behind. Those schools are large enough where they're hoovering up large sheer quantities of students that would have probably attended a public flagship if they had grown up in another region.

There is an ingrained sense in New York and New England that attending a public university is déclassé. That's the other thing going on here.

Many of the nation's best private universities are in this region and New York came quite late to building a strong public university system. For states further west (Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa, for example), some of the best institutions of higher learning were public almost from Day One, so the stigma isn't there.

Or for a not insignificant number of folks, the concept of going to a,SUNY school is declasse but attending an out of state flagship near ski slopes or that are flagships with a private school lifestyle are tolerable

And those students at Syracuse, Columbia, NYU, Cornell, West Point (as a federal institution) are not overwhelmingly from NY. NY both sends out a ton of students OOS and brings in the most students from OOS. I know at one time only 50% of SU students are from NY. Columbia it is <30%. At NYU 22% are foreign and less than 20% are from NY, similar to Northwestern's in-state percentage.

At UB ~50% are from WNY and 80% overall from NY. And with all the quality students in NYS, NY joins Cali, Texas, Indiana, Michigan, and Iowa, as the only states with more than 1 public AAU.

yeah that's why folks that don't understand are shocked to find out that that Rutgers and Buffalo have by far the largest FBS alumni bases in NYC lol
Athletics support on the other hand is far and few in between, except when they are kicking butt. Its kinda the nature of NYC.

(01-14-2022 05:55 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 08:21 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 06:30 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 06:23 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 03:30 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Sure - I see the existence of schools like Colgate and Rochester, although Colgate is more of a small liberal arts college and Rochester is about the size of an Ivy League school. My point is that NYU is massive where it's the size of a public flagship, including larger than any of the SUNY institutions. Syracuse isn't that far behind. Those schools are large enough where they're hoovering up large sheer quantities of students that would have probably attended a public flagship if they had grown up in another region.

There is an ingrained sense in New York and New England that attending a public university is déclassé. That's the other thing going on here.

Many of the nation's best private universities are in this region and New York came quite late to building a strong public university system. For states further west (Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa, for example), some of the best institutions of higher learning were public almost from Day One, so the stigma isn't there.

Or for a not insignificant number of folks, the concept of going to a,SUNY school is declasse but attending an out of state flagship near ski slopes or that are flagships with a private school lifestyle are tolerable

And those students at Syracuse, Columbia, NYU, Cornell, West Point (as a federal institution) are not overwhelmingly from NY. NY both sends out a ton of students OOS and brings in the most students from OOS. I know at one time only 50% of SU students are from NY. Columbia it is <30%. At NYU 22% are foreign and less than 20% are from NY, similar to Northwestern's in-state percentage.

At UB ~50% are from WNY and 80% overall from NY. And with all the quality students in NYS, NY joins Cali, Texas, Indiana, Michigan, and Iowa, as the only states with more than 1 public AAU.

yeah that's why folks that don't understand are shocked to find out that that Rutgers and Buffalo have by far the largest FBS alumni bases in NYC lol
Athletics support on the other hand is far and few in between, except when they are kicking butt. Its kinda the nature of NYC.

And in UB's case, it is suppressed due to the conference affiliation (playing in a Great Lakes centric conference) and distance (Buffalo is an 8 hour drive from NYC). Syracuse had the advantages of Big East affiliation and (until UB moved up) being the only NYS
FBS school that could be seen as attainable to folks in NYC.

(01-14-2022 06:16 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 05:55 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 08:21 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 06:30 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(01-10-2022 06:23 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  There is an ingrained sense in New York and New England that attending a public university is déclassé. That's the other thing going on here.

Many of the nation's best private universities are in this region and New York came quite late to building a strong public university system. For states further west (Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa, for example), some of the best institutions of higher learning were public almost from Day One, so the stigma isn't there.

Or for a not insignificant number of folks, the concept of going to a,SUNY school is declasse but attending an out of state flagship near ski slopes or that are flagships with a private school lifestyle are tolerable

And those students at Syracuse, Columbia, NYU, Cornell, West Point (as a federal institution) are not overwhelmingly from NY. NY both sends out a ton of students OOS and brings in the most students from OOS. I know at one time only 50% of SU students are from NY. Columbia it is <30%. At NYU 22% are foreign and less than 20% are from NY, similar to Northwestern's in-state percentage.

At UB ~50% are from WNY and 80% overall from NY. And with all the quality students in NYS, NY joins Cali, Texas, Indiana, Michigan, and Iowa, as the only states with more than 1 public AAU.

yeah that's why folks that don't understand are shocked to find out that that Rutgers and Buffalo have by far the largest FBS alumni bases in NYC lol
Athletics support on the other hand is far and few in between, except when they are kicking butt. Its kinda the nature of NYC.

And in UB's case, it is suppressed due to the conference affiliation (playing in a Great Lakes centric conference) and distance (Buffalo is an 8 hour drive from NYC). Syracuse had the advantages of Big East affiliation and (until UB moved up) being the only NYS
FBS school that could be seen as attainable to folks in NYC.

well also in this area, up until recently with Rutgers' emergence as a Big East football power during the mid 2000, there was also zero pride in going to a local state school in NJ, NY, or NE because it's so private-centric despite basically like 5 out of 10 classmates going to one. Joining the Big Ten has helped the pride of NJ locals now with Rutgers due to the huge influx of money upgrading the facilities all over campus and increased tv coverage... once we're winning again it'll be the talk of NYC again. Buffalo can potentially do it as well, but would require a massive investment which I don't see the NY State govt looking to make.