(01-02-2022 09:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Hard to say we should be running a 4-3 given the vast consensus among coaches is to run some variation of 3 down linemen against spread offenses which all but Navy run in the AAC.

Dude isn’t even on campus and we are already shitting on his scheme.

Gotta love it.

The stats in the article I’m linking are a bit old, but I doubt the overall numbers have changed much. It shows that 35% of college coaches get fired before or after year 4 and another 23-24% leave on their own. 33% stayed 6 or more years. The old AAC/Big East had a whopping 88% gone after four years and only 12% lasting 6 plus years.

It doesn’t tell how many of the coaches that left on their own got fired in their next job. For some, it may be a matter of where/which job you want to be fired from. I’m guessing a P5 coach has a significantly better chance of making it into the recycle club portal than a G5 coach does.

I’m not drawing any conclusions from this other they’re not in it for job security. Just found it interesting





https://www.bannersociety.com/2020/2/20/...rage-years

(01-01-2022 06:51 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 12:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 12:05 PM)danny1 Wrote:  Typical of some posters on this board. Instead of being excited about some potentially good news, you already are speculating on what bad thing will occur next. What a Debbie Downer you are!!

We had another guy who wanted the job who was looking for long-term position and not looking to use the job as a stepping stone.

Memphis will always be a stepping stone job. Even if we do get into the Big 12

Alabama is a stepping stone job! So are Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Clemson and every other team in college football! Do you think all head coaches, coordinators, and position coaches are internal hires? Most of you here seemed to be against internal hires a few days ago,

As far as the AAC being best suited for the 3 / 4 defense, the last time we won the title and went to the Cotton Bowl I believe we ran a 4 / 3. Since CRS was the associate head coach at that time and was the head coach for the Cotton Bowl he probably remembers that.

p.s. I hope Barnes can keep coach Clark on his staff.

(01-02-2022 11:22 PM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 09:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Hard to say we should be running a 4-3 given the vast consensus among coaches is to run some variation of 3 down linemen against spread offenses which all but Navy run in the AAC.

Dude isn’t even on campus and we are already shitting on his scheme.

Gotta love it.

We don't know his scheme as he took over after the season started and is using someone else's scheme.

Before MacIntyre, we ran a 4-3 but he changed to a 3-4.

We've spent the last two years strengthening our LB squad.

So we are thin on DL.

However, if we return to the 4-3 we will have to focus the next year on getting more DL in.

We're not 4 or 5 deep in blue chip DL.

So it may take some time to turn things around.

That is IF he runs the same scheme they ran at OSU.

(01-02-2022 09:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Hard to say we should be running a 4-3 given the vast consensus among coaches is to run some variation of 3 down linemen against spread offenses which all but Navy run in the AAC.

It's not the 3 down linemen that is the problem. It is not rushing 4 or more weather they are down or up, and playing soft on the corners that is the problem.

(01-02-2022 09:07 AM)Irish Wrote:  Let me get this straight. The same folks who complained the most about our defense are now complaining that the apparent new DC is too young, will be too successful and will leave for a better job? I suppose those folks are saying hire someone who has reached his maximum, won’t get any better and we will have him forever??? And while I’m at it. I have been disappointed and upset with the basketball but things are looking up. considering how desperately awful the last years with Pastner and Tubby were…….and i mean they felt hopeless. Penny has brought back the feeling that we can compete with anyone. That feeling is worth a lot to me.

Pastner ? Is that the guy that took over a depleted roster--a program with looming sanctions---took us to MULTIPLE tournaments--our last tournaments---actually won a global championship---and took Georgia Tech to the tournament last year --that Pastner ?

(01-03-2022 05:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 09:07 AM)Irish Wrote:  Let me get this straight. The same folks who complained the most about our defense are now complaining that the apparent new DC is too young, will be too successful and will leave for a better job? I suppose those folks are saying hire someone who has reached his maximum, won’t get any better and we will have him forever??? And while I’m at it. I have been disappointed and upset with the basketball but things are looking up. considering how desperately awful the last years with Pastner and Tubby were…….and i mean they felt hopeless. Penny has brought back the feeling that we can compete with anyone. That feeling is worth a lot to me.

Pastner ? Is that the guy that took over a depleted roster--a program with looming sanctions---took us to MULTIPLE tournaments--our last tournaments---actually won a global championship---and took Georgia Tech to the tournament last year --that Pastner ?

Do you have that **** memorized or have it saved somewhere so you can copy and paste it?

(01-02-2022 10:12 PM)pfunk Wrote:  If you are ever hiring people for a competitive job and you don’t hire them just because they might be wildly successful and get an even better job in the future…you already lost.

Memphis football is viewed now as stepping stone place for coaches to get noticed, that’s a good thing.

Welcome Coach Barnes! GTG

So basic, but some can’t grasp it.


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(01-03-2022 07:33 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 05:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 09:07 AM)Irish Wrote:  Let me get this straight. The same folks who complained the most about our defense are now complaining that the apparent new DC is too young, will be too successful and will leave for a better job? I suppose those folks are saying hire someone who has reached his maximum, won’t get any better and we will have him forever??? And while I’m at it. I have been disappointed and upset with the basketball but things are looking up. considering how desperately awful the last years with Pastner and Tubby were…….and i mean they felt hopeless. Penny has brought back the feeling that we can compete with anyone. That feeling is worth a lot to me.

Pastner ? Is that the guy that took over a depleted roster--a program with looming sanctions---took us to MULTIPLE tournaments--our last tournaments---actually won a global championship---and took Georgia Tech to the tournament last year --that Pastner ?

Do you have that **** memorized or have it saved somewhere so you can copy and paste it?

A

(01-03-2022 08:00 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 07:33 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 05:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 09:07 AM)Irish Wrote:  Let me get this straight. The same folks who complained the most about our defense are now complaining that the apparent new DC is too young, will be too successful and will leave for a better job? I suppose those folks are saying hire someone who has reached his maximum, won’t get any better and we will have him forever??? And while I’m at it. I have been disappointed and upset with the basketball but things are looking up. considering how desperately awful the last years with Pastner and Tubby were…….and i mean they felt hopeless. Penny has brought back the feeling that we can compete with anyone. That feeling is worth a lot to me.

Pastner ? Is that the guy that took over a depleted roster--a program with looming sanctions---took us to MULTIPLE tournaments--our last tournaments---actually won a global championship---and took Georgia Tech to the tournament last year --that Pastner ?

Do you have that **** memorized or have it saved somewhere so you can copy and paste it?

A

Speaking for myself, i thought it nothing short of a miracle when GT took him off our hands. pretty sure I’m not alone in that. And by the way, the roster was a long way from depleted. Pastner led a downward spiral here. At GT he took over an only way is up program and has done a good job. He simply was not ready when he got the Memphis job. Never would have been in that position except for the appalling lack of leadership in our administration. I don’t think you are seriously saying there wasn’t a sense of hopelessness at the end of the Pastner era. If so, you were doing a lot of drinking back them.

(01-03-2022 09:20 AM)Irish Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 08:00 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 07:33 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 05:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 09:07 AM)Irish Wrote:  Let me get this straight. The same folks who complained the most about our defense are now complaining that the apparent new DC is too young, will be too successful and will leave for a better job? I suppose those folks are saying hire someone who has reached his maximum, won’t get any better and we will have him forever??? And while I’m at it. I have been disappointed and upset with the basketball but things are looking up. considering how desperately awful the last years with Pastner and Tubby were…….and i mean they felt hopeless. Penny has brought back the feeling that we can compete with anyone. That feeling is worth a lot to me.

Pastner ? Is that the guy that took over a depleted roster--a program with looming sanctions---took us to MULTIPLE tournaments--our last tournaments---actually won a global championship---and took Georgia Tech to the tournament last year --that Pastner ?

Do you have that **** memorized or have it saved somewhere so you can copy and paste it?

A

Speaking for myself, i thought it nothing short of a miracle when GT took him off our hands. pretty sure I’m not alone in that. And by the way, the roster was a long way from depleted. Pastner led a downward spiral here. At GT he took over an only way is up program and has done a good job. He simply was not ready when he got the Memphis job. Never would have been in that position except for the appalling lack of leadership in our administration. I don’t think you are seriously saying there wasn’t a sense of hopelessness at the end of the Pastner era. If so, you were doing a lot of drinking back them.

If there was hopelessness it stemmed from the fact that I knew that we would RUE THE DAY----we will have to agree to disagree

(01-03-2022 12:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 11:22 PM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 09:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Hard to say we should be running a 4-3 given the vast consensus among coaches is to run some variation of 3 down linemen against spread offenses which all but Navy run in the AAC.

Dude isn’t even on campus and we are already shitting on his scheme.

Gotta love it.

We don't know his scheme as he took over after the season started and is using someone else's scheme.

Before MacIntyre, we ran a 4-3 but he changed to a 3-4.

We've spent the last two years strengthening our LB squad.

So we are thin on DL.

However, if we return to the 4-3 we will have to focus the next year on getting more DL in.

We're not 4 or 5 deep in blue chip DL.

So it may take some time to turn things around.

That is IF he runs the same scheme they ran at OSU.

I wouldnt say youre thin on DL. they can switch to a 4 man front and be fine. it's not like you're lacking size up there. now..will you get pressure with the guys off the end, who knows. Jaylen Allen has shown flashes to fire off the edge but he's like a smaller bryce huff.

(01-02-2022 11:16 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Assistant coaches leave.
Frequently.
Anyone complaining about this hire because he might not be here long doesn't, is grasping.
Good hire.
I said I would be watching this and the Spec Teams position closely for signs of CRS feeling heat.
He did well on the DC.
Now about that Spec Teams Coordinator...

G5 coaches moving on to better jobs is one thing.

But the turnover rate at Memphis is beyond normal.

This is our 4th DC in 5 years.

Prior to this season, Cincinnati had the same OC and DC for 4 years.

The DC that preceded that DC was also there for 4 years.

This past season was the first one in 10 years that we had both the same OC and DC in back-to-back seasons.

(01-03-2022 09:43 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 11:16 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Assistant coaches leave.
Frequently.
Anyone complaining about this hire because he might not be here long doesn't, is grasping.
Good hire.
I said I would be watching this and the Spec Teams position closely for signs of CRS feeling heat.
He did well on the DC.
Now about that Spec Teams Coordinator...

G5 coaches moving on to better jobs is one thing.

But the turnover rate at Memphis is beyond normal.

This is our 4th DC in 5 years.

Prior to this season, Cincinnati had the same OC and DC for 4 years.

The DC that preceded that DC was also there for 4 years.

This past season was the first one in 10 years that we had both the same OC and DC in back-to-back seasons.

Again who was this complacent coach that was going to come in and be our DC forever

(01-03-2022 09:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 09:20 AM)Irish Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 08:00 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 07:33 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 05:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Pastner ? Is that the guy that took over a depleted roster--a program with looming sanctions---took us to MULTIPLE tournaments--our last tournaments---actually won a global championship---and took Georgia Tech to the tournament last year --that Pastner ?

Do you have that **** memorized or have it saved somewhere so you can copy and paste it?

A

Speaking for myself, i thought it nothing short of a miracle when GT took him off our hands. pretty sure I’m not alone in that. And by the way, the roster was a long way from depleted. Pastner led a downward spiral here. At GT he took over an only way is up program and has done a good job. He simply was not ready when he got the Memphis job. Never would have been in that position except for the appalling lack of leadership in our administration. I don’t think you are seriously saying there wasn’t a sense of hopelessness at the end of the Pastner era. If so, you were doing a lot of drinking back them.

If there was hopelessness it stemmed from the fact that I knew that we would RUE THE DAY----we will have to agree to disagree

When do you think this happens?

(01-03-2022 09:55 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 09:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 09:20 AM)Irish Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 08:00 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 07:33 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Do you have that **** memorized or have it saved somewhere so you can copy and paste it?

A

Speaking for myself, i thought it nothing short of a miracle when GT took him off our hands. pretty sure I’m not alone in that. And by the way, the roster was a long way from depleted. Pastner led a downward spiral here. At GT he took over an only way is up program and has done a good job. He simply was not ready when he got the Memphis job. Never would have been in that position except for the appalling lack of leadership in our administration. I don’t think you are seriously saying there wasn’t a sense of hopelessness at the end of the Pastner era. If so, you were doing a lot of drinking back them.

If there was hopelessness it stemmed from the fact that I knew that we would RUE THE DAY----we will have to agree to disagree

When do you think this happens?

(01-03-2022 02:20 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 09:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Hard to say we should be running a 4-3 given the vast consensus among coaches is to run some variation of 3 down linemen against spread offenses which all but Navy run in the AAC.

It's not the 3 down linemen that is the problem. It is not rushing 4 or more weather they are down or up, and playing soft on the corners that is the problem.

Actually I'm not commenting or speculating on what scheme the new DC will employ of even what "his"scheme is purported to be. I'm simply stating that every school in the AAC save Navy runs a spread offense & the consensus defense among college coaches against a spread is based upon a 3 down front. If we had UGA's talent we could probably play virtually any scheme & be successful in the AAC but given our talent level we might do best to run a scheme that is the majority opinion among college coaches.

I think this is a similar analogy to the consensus opinion among college BB coaches who seem to believe having a rotation of 7-8 players is most productive.

Personally I think he’s got a heckuva resume and we’re lucky to have him. He’s also been an effective special teams coordinator so there’s that.

(01-03-2022 07:33 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 05:40 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 09:07 AM)Irish Wrote:  Let me get this straight. The same folks who complained the most about our defense are now complaining that the apparent new DC is too young, will be too successful and will leave for a better job? I suppose those folks are saying hire someone who has reached his maximum, won’t get any better and we will have him forever??? And while I’m at it. I have been disappointed and upset with the basketball but things are looking up. considering how desperately awful the last years with Pastner and Tubby were…….and i mean they felt hopeless. Penny has brought back the feeling that we can compete with anyone. That feeling is worth a lot to me.

Pastner ? Is that the guy that took over a depleted roster--a program with looming sanctions---took us to MULTIPLE tournaments--our last tournaments---actually won a global championship---and took Georgia Tech to the tournament last year --that Pastner ?

Do you have that **** memorized or have it saved somewhere so you can copy and paste it?

Now you KNOW he doesn't know how to copy/paste. At this point it is likely muscle memory. He just starts typing "Pas" and the rest of it comes out automatically.

He also served as special teams coordinator at Maryland from 2016-2018 and Ohio State 2019-2020. Here's hoping he can help in that department as well.