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(01-17-2022 12:11 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Bump!

Is there any more news on this story? It looks like Chris Nichter is still listed as the Director of the Bearcat Bands, but I haven't heard anything about his reinstatement.

Not "Marching Band" related, but I was struck by how...crappy...the Shocker Pep band sounded as I watched the BB game yesterday. As a High School "Band Geek," the bands are a key part of what I love about Collegiate athletics. Without the bands, you have a "pro game" experience...both in Football and Basketball. So, I'm really quite interested to know what the heck is happening with the bands and hoping that Dr. Nichter is given the opportunity to make the bands the best possible.

(And yeah, I think the band has come a long way in the right direction since Dr. Frenz's retirement.)

You mean "Dr. Terren L. Frenz" our retired acolyte of John Phillips Sousa?

I thought Dr. Terren L. Frenz did a very nice job considering the lack of funding, lack of a major for aspiring band directors and even lack of interest from both the university and the athletic department for many years. It was amazing to me how much of the operation of the band was funded by the members of the band itself, down to the fitting and repairing of the uniforms and of members providing their own instruments.

But yes, it was time for him to retire. The school needs to do better by the band, and then the band needs to do better in return.

(01-17-2022 02:12 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 12:11 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Bump!

Is there any more news on this story? It looks like Chris Nichter is still listed as the Director of the Bearcat Bands, but I haven't heard anything about his reinstatement.

Not "Marching Band" related, but I was struck by how...crappy...the Shocker Pep band sounded as I watched the BB game yesterday. As a High School "Band Geek," the bands are a key part of what I love about Collegiate athletics. Without the bands, you have a "pro game" experience...both in Football and Basketball. So, I'm really quite interested to know what the heck is happening with the bands and hoping that Dr. Nichter is given the opportunity to make the bands the best possible.

(And yeah, I think the band has come a long way in the right direction since Dr. Frenz's retirement.)

You mean "Dr. Terren L. Frenz" our retired acolyte of John Phillips Sousa?

Does he rank above or below Dr Jill on the Doctors list?

(01-17-2022 06:50 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 02:12 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 12:11 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Bump!

Is there any more news on this story? It looks like Chris Nichter is still listed as the Director of the Bearcat Bands, but I haven't heard anything about his reinstatement.

Not "Marching Band" related, but I was struck by how...crappy...the Shocker Pep band sounded as I watched the BB game yesterday. As a High School "Band Geek," the bands are a key part of what I love about Collegiate athletics. Without the bands, you have a "pro game" experience...both in Football and Basketball. So, I'm really quite interested to know what the heck is happening with the bands and hoping that Dr. Nichter is given the opportunity to make the bands the best possible.

(And yeah, I think the band has come a long way in the right direction since Dr. Frenz's retirement.)

You mean "Dr. Terren L. Frenz" our retired acolyte of John Phillips Sousa?

Does he rank above or below Dr Jill on the Doctors list?

In an academic setting calling oneself Doctor seems acceptable. Outside of academia other than a medical Doctor calling oneself DR. seems pompous.

(01-17-2022 07:01 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 06:50 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 02:12 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 12:11 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Bump!

Is there any more news on this story? It looks like Chris Nichter is still listed as the Director of the Bearcat Bands, but I haven't heard anything about his reinstatement.

Not "Marching Band" related, but I was struck by how...crappy...the Shocker Pep band sounded as I watched the BB game yesterday. As a High School "Band Geek," the bands are a key part of what I love about Collegiate athletics. Without the bands, you have a "pro game" experience...both in Football and Basketball. So, I'm really quite interested to know what the heck is happening with the bands and hoping that Dr. Nichter is given the opportunity to make the bands the best possible.

(And yeah, I think the band has come a long way in the right direction since Dr. Frenz's retirement.)

You mean "Dr. Terren L. Frenz" our retired acolyte of John Phillips Sousa?

Does he rank above or below Dr Jill on the Doctors list?

In an academic setting calling oneself Doctor seems acceptable. Outside of academia other than a medical Doctor calling oneself DR. seems pompous.

Depends on the setting.

Regardless of MD or not, if you earned that doctorate,, you earned the title.

(01-18-2022 07:01 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 07:01 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 06:50 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 02:12 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 12:11 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Bump!

Is there any more news on this story? It looks like Chris Nichter is still listed as the Director of the Bearcat Bands, but I haven't heard anything about his reinstatement.

Not "Marching Band" related, but I was struck by how...crappy...the Shocker Pep band sounded as I watched the BB game yesterday. As a High School "Band Geek," the bands are a key part of what I love about Collegiate athletics. Without the bands, you have a "pro game" experience...both in Football and Basketball. So, I'm really quite interested to know what the heck is happening with the bands and hoping that Dr. Nichter is given the opportunity to make the bands the best possible.

(And yeah, I think the band has come a long way in the right direction since Dr. Frenz's retirement.)

You mean "Dr. Terren L. Frenz" our retired acolyte of John Phillips Sousa?

Does he rank above or below Dr Jill on the Doctors list?

In an academic setting calling oneself Doctor seems acceptable. Outside of academia other than a medical Doctor calling oneself DR. seems pompous.

Depends on the setting.

Regardless of MD or not, if you earned that doctorate,, you earned the title.

especially since doctor comes from latin meaning teacher.

(01-18-2022 07:05 AM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 07:01 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 07:01 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 06:50 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 02:12 PM)doss2 Wrote:  You mean "Dr. Terren L. Frenz" our retired acolyte of John Phillips Sousa?

Does he rank above or below Dr Jill on the Doctors list?

In an academic setting calling oneself Doctor seems acceptable. Outside of academia other than a medical Doctor calling oneself DR. seems pompous.

Depends on the setting.

Regardless of MD or not, if you earned that doctorate,, you earned the title.

especially since doctor comes from latin meaning teacher.

No one in academia asks to be called doctor... unless they're a medical doctor, or are from a discipline that's not respected by other academics.

(01-18-2022 09:48 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 07:05 AM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 07:01 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 07:01 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 06:50 PM)namrag Wrote:  Does he rank above or below Dr Jill on the Doctors list?

In an academic setting calling oneself Doctor seems acceptable. Outside of academia other than a medical Doctor calling oneself DR. seems pompous.

Depends on the setting.

Regardless of MD or not, if you earned that doctorate,, you earned the title.

especially since doctor comes from latin meaning teacher.

No one in academia asks to be called doctor... unless they're a medical doctor, or are from a discipline that's not respected by other academics.

Not to beat a dead horse, but where does Dr Jill fit in that picture?

Dr. is simply an abbreviation for doctorate. Obviously everyone is familiar with Medical Doctors but for the most part people in academia and industry respect doctorates of philosophy under he same title. Doctorates in other fields like a Doctorate of Dental Surgery, Doctor of Pharmacy, Doctor of Occupational Therapy, etc. are doctorates all the same. In my experience the only people who seem to worry too much about that title are usually insecure about their own credentials.

(01-18-2022 01:08 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 09:48 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 07:05 AM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 07:01 AM)namrag Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 07:01 PM)doss2 Wrote:  In an academic setting calling oneself Doctor seems acceptable. Outside of academia other than a medical Doctor calling oneself DR. seems pompous.

Depends on the setting.

Regardless of MD or not, if you earned that doctorate,, you earned the title.

especially since doctor comes from latin meaning teacher.

No one in academia asks to be called doctor... unless they're a medical doctor, or are from a discipline that's not respected by other academics.

Not to beat a dead horse, but where does Dr Jill fit in that picture?

Had a guy that I worked with in IT that demanded that everyone call him DR. Never called him by that.

When I was first coming up, I used to work with an older lady whose husband was an ordained minister with a Doctor of Theology. In all the years I worked with her I never heard her use his first name, she would refer to him as Dr. or Reverend Smith. She had sort of a southern, dignified manner about her; I wonder if she addressed him as that at home.

(01-18-2022 02:58 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  When I was first coming up, I used to work with an older lady whose husband was an ordained minister with a Doctor of Theology. In all the years I worked with her I never heard her use his first name, she would refer to him as Dr. or Reverend Smith. She had sort of a southern, dignified manner about her; I wonder if she addressed him as that at home.

That's a rabbit hole you don't wanna go down

WCPO posted a story about why the band directors were suspended. Doesn't really say what specifically they did, but apparently were "discourteous" to the band members and made them feel "publicly humiliated" and the band members were uncomfortable meeting with the directors alone.

(02-26-2022 02:22 PM)TheGreatNate Wrote:  WCPO posted a story about why the band directors were suspended. Doesn't really say what specifically they did, but apparently were "discourteous" to the band members and made them feel "publicly humiliated" and the band members were uncomfortable meeting with the directors alone.

Haha what? Good thing they don’t play football and mess up in front of Saban.

I can’t comment to the personal meetings though.

(02-26-2022 02:56 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(02-26-2022 02:22 PM)TheGreatNate Wrote:  WCPO posted a story about why the band directors were suspended. Doesn't really say what specifically they did, but apparently were "discourteous" to the band members and made them feel "publicly humiliated" and the band members were uncomfortable meeting with the directors alone.

Haha what? Good thing they don’t play football and mess up in front of Saban.

I can’t comment to the personal meetings though.

Hey that is why Brannen was fired!

(02-26-2022 02:56 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(02-26-2022 02:22 PM)TheGreatNate Wrote:  WCPO posted a story about why the band directors were suspended. Doesn't really say what specifically they did, but apparently were "discourteous" to the band members and made them feel "publicly humiliated" and the band members were uncomfortable meeting with the directors alone.

Haha what? Good thing they don’t play football and mess up in front of Saban.

I can’t comment to the personal meetings though.

Paid leave, isn’t that like vacation!

(02-26-2022 02:22 PM)TheGreatNate Wrote:  WCPO posted a story about why the band directors were suspended. Doesn't really say what specifically they did, but apparently were "discourteous" to the band members and made them feel "publicly humiliated" and the band members were uncomfortable meeting with the directors alone.

Lol. Back in the start of this thread I posted my wife said they probably hurt someone’s feelings. Bingo.

(02-26-2022 11:17 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-26-2022 02:22 PM)TheGreatNate Wrote:  WCPO posted a story about why the band directors were suspended. Doesn't really say what specifically they did, but apparently were "discourteous" to the band members and made them feel "publicly humiliated" and the band members were uncomfortable meeting with the directors alone.

Lol. Back in the start of this thread I posted my wife said they probably hurt someone’s feelings. Bingo.

Need to provide a safe space for snowflakes! I guess he asked them to keep a straight line.

God, my High School marching band Director and the guy who choreographed the shows would never make it today... They were brutal when they needed to be.

Top band directors reinstated after paid leave

An investigation found Director Christopher Nichter and Assoc. Director Nicholas Angelis violated university policy by being 'discourteous' toward students.

UC marching band
By: Craig CheathamPosted at 4:44 PM, Feb 25, 2022 and last updated 7:25 PM, Feb 25, 2022
CINCINNATI — A University of Cincinnati internal investigation found students in UC Bearcat Bands 'felt publicly humiliated' by the top two directors during practice and rehearsals, and 'did not feel comfortable meeting in offices alone with the directors.'

The investigation found Director Christopher Nichter and Assoc. Director Nicholas Angelis violated university policy by being 'discourteous' toward students, according to letters that UC Asst. Vice President for Student Affairs and Dean of Students Juan Guardia wrote to the two directors in February.

UC placed Nichter and Angelis on paid leave on Dec. 17.

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They were not allowed to participate with the band when students performed two weeks later at the Cotton Bowl where UC lost to Alabama in the College Football Playoff.

There were 'areas of concern presented as recurring themes' by students, Guardia wrote in the letters to Nichter and Angelis.

"Students have witnessed their peers being brought to tears and are reluctant to bring concerns directly to directors," Guardia wrote.

According to Guardia's letters, Nichter and Angelis received 'verbal counseling.'


Both men are required to complete the lessons Fighting Gender Bias at Work and Compassionate Leadership.

I guess they used a wrong snowflake pronoun.