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RE: Vaccine requirements for CAA schools
(01-05-2022 11:11 AM)jcohen42 Wrote: (01-04-2022 05:21 PM)82hawk Wrote: (01-04-2022 02:34 PM)jcohen42 Wrote: (01-04-2022 12:06 PM)82hawk Wrote: (01-03-2022 10:46 AM)jcohen42 Wrote: Yes, a double mask on one person is more effective than a single mask.
Also, a single mask on two individuals is more effective than two masks on one individual and no masks on the other.
Reducing transmission of a pathogen is a matter of playing the percentages. There are several small actions that one can take to dramatically improve these percentages. One of them is to wear a mask, which doesn't eliminate risk completely, but is an easy means to reduce risk substantially. Not merely as a means of keeping the wearer safe, but keeping others safe in the event they are an asymptomatic carrier.
I have not presented any opinions here. These are all facts. Thus, if someone takes pride in refusing to wear a mask, I can only question their interest in being a constructive member of society.
Interesting that CNN is now reporting that the silly cloth masks are indeed nothing more than a "face decoration". What you can now acknowledge is that there are people who do their research and know their facts, despite the propoganda spewed daily. And what you are saying IS opinion. You're trying to apply what you believe to be common sense instead of applying science. Covid spreads as an aerosol because it is so minute and weightless it floats in the air. That's why well ventilated airplanes haven't been the cause of any spread. If you put on a mask, unless it is completely sealed, the vast majority of your air intake and output will be where there is the path of least resistance. And since there is greater force where it is squeezing in and out around the open spaces on the sides and nose, you are actually expelling it further with a mask on than if you had no mask at all and were breathing normally. But even if you used a silly cloth mask and sealed it, the weave tightness of those masks has pretty much no affect on the minute virus being expelled or inhaled right through the cloth. And again, a fully sealed cloth mask causes you to inhale and exhale with greater force through the masks than no mask at all, so any minor protection is negated.
I have not presented any opinions here. These are all facts. Thus, if someone takes pride in wearing a mask, I can only question their interest in being a constructive member of society. Part of being a constructive member of society is to be an informed member of society. That is, if you want a free society.
If you have any legitimate scientific research that suggests that wearing a mask produces a higher risk of transmission than not wearing a mask, I'd love to see it. Otherwise, nearly every publication I'm seeing, from the CDC to ACGIH to WHO, has said that masking will reduce pathogen spread, even if the individual effectiveness of the masks used vary. So, at best, the support for your claim requires a great deal of signal-boosting to be at the forefront. At worst, you're just spewing propaganda of your own, where half-truths are being simplified past the point of usefulness.
As for the idea of a "free society", this isn't a political forum. But you're clinging to an ideal that doesn't exist. Using claims of "freedom" as justification for anything is the lazy way out.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...21257385v1
Conclusions Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19 growth surges.
Additionally, because of protocols that remove quarantine requirements if everyone is wearing a mask in schools, the results of wearing masks has been falsely equated with fewer people testing positive. I'll give you an example of what happened at my daughters school. Our BOE made the decision to start the school year without a mask requirement. Our quarantine rules mandated that if a student tested positive or had symptoms, then they would have to quarantine and miss school and so did any close contacts. The only way to get back in school was to take a covid test and test negative. Our school was overhwelmed with students being forced to quarantine and as a result parents were overwhelming doctors to get a negative covid test to get back in school. So, there was a massive amount of testing which of course produced a bunch of positives.
BUT, there was an out. If the BOE MANDATED masks, students would not have to quarantine at all if they were a close contact(per the CDC). So, our BOE instituted a mask mandate(despite the fact we had no more positives than our surrounding counties with mask mandates). Viola'!, we had fewer positives in a month by almost 80%. THE MASKS WORKED AND STOPPED THE SPREAD! But, that was a flat out lie. All the masks did was remove the "penalty" of forcing kids to stay home, and therefore it cut testing of kids in school to almost zero, since the incentive to get a negative test to return to school was removed. But what "data" did this produce? Well, it made a correlation that wearing masks reduced kids who tested positive in our school by 80%. It gave the false impression(let's call it what it really was, a lie) that masks reduced covid transmission in our schools.
So, even with the numbers falsely inflated by this "masking" vs. quarantine rule, it has been proven that masking has had no impact on covid transmission. And, the moment the government mandates anything using the force of law it is political whether you iike it or not. There is no way to remove the politics from this unless the government gets out of the mandating business.
From the article you linked: "Mask use predicted lower case growth at low, but not high transmission rates."
Whether or not mask mandates work is a separate discussion. There are many factors at play when addressing transmission, and masks are only one part of the puzzle. If a mandate only results in 70% compliance or a similar rate, then it's not going to accomplish its goal. That doesn't mean that masks are suddenly useless.
You are pretending that masks have no impact. That is false, and has proven to be false time and time again. Are they effective enough to eliminate spread from a carrier in a crowded school environment? No, of course not. But would COVID have spread more easily and more widespread without the mask? 100%.
You keep saying that this is all somehow "proof" that masks don't work. I'm sorry, but that's not how proof works. If you want to say that mask mandates don't work, that's a fine hypothesis and one you can successfully argue for. But "masks have no impact" is misinformation, and you should stop spreading it.
I need no more proof than that provided by my wife who tested masks for a living for almost 30 years. Since you don't know her and have no way of knowing if what I said is true or not, I provided proof that false evidence of mask effectiveness has invalidated the data and i've also provided proof that mask mandates have had no affect on spread.
And spare me all the sanctimonious viture signaling that you can't seem to help yourself from spewing. There is no valid or definitive proof that these silly cloth masks have protected anybody from anything, so it is you that needs to stop spreading misinformation. And all you need to do is read the news right now to discover that doctors are confirming that cloth masks are useless. It's all over the news right now. But you hang on to the lies you've been told and have gobbled up wholesale. I understand it's hard to admit you've been lied to and fooled, but you've been lied to and fooled.
We were told from the very start masks didn't work and nothing has changed.
https://wsau.com/2020/07/31/masks-dont-s...the-proof/
(This post was last modified: 01-05-2022 03:35 PM by 82hawk.)
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