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(12-24-2021 05:07 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  This would mean going independent in football and no Big 12 invite is on the horizon (I don't think there is tbh).

While my answer is no, there is a scenario where I would not be opposed to joining the BE & going independent in FB temporarily……until the ACC is raided and UM moves there with UCONN & maybe a couple more when their GOR is over & top 4 teams leave.

If the UM partnered with ESPN who helped influenced a scheduled that was 1/4 SEC, 1/4 ACC, & 1/2 AAC/SBC/other independents, 11 with home & home series & the 1 annual buy game (guaranteeing ESPN had rights to all UM games during this timeframe). The market value of having 6 games a year vs SEC/ACC would likely pay UM more than AAC contract currently does. The drawback of being independent likely is the limited access to CFP, but realistically a schedule with 6 SEC &ACC games likely eliminates that anyway, or if we run the table are probably high enough rated for an at large bid so maybe limited harm, other than winning AAC likely easier path.

The key is preparing yourself to compete in the ACC when you join.
IMHO the ACC is our best chance to move up, but we have to wait on their dominoes to fall…….which might take longer than we want.

Although reality is, we need to try to consistently be the Big fish in our small pond AAC in both FB & BB & in that scenario moving to ACC is equally as likely it would be by joining BE & going independent.
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RE: Would Memphis join the Big East if offered?
A P5 conference will afford us greater revenue, visibility, and opportunity. That's just how it works and it should be our goal. Until then, absolutely, let's be the biggest catfish in that small pond, gobbling up everything we can.
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(01-18-2023 11:57 AM)hk25 Wrote:  
(12-24-2021 05:07 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  This would mean going independent in football and no Big 12 invite is on the horizon (I don't think there is tbh).

While my answer is no, there is a scenario where I would not be opposed to joining the BE & going independent in FB temporarily……until the ACC is raided and UM moves there with UCONN & maybe a couple more when their GOR is over & top 4 teams leave.

If the UM partnered with ESPN who helped influenced a scheduled that was 1/4 SEC, 1/4 ACC, & 1/2 AAC/SBC/other independents, 11 with home & home series & the 1 annual buy game (guaranteeing ESPN had rights to all UM games during this timeframe). The market value of having 6 games a year vs SEC/ACC would likely pay UM more than AAC contract currently does. The drawback of being independent likely is the limited access to CFP, but realistically a schedule with 6 SEC &ACC games likely eliminates that anyway, or if we run the table are probably high enough rated for an at large bid so maybe limited harm, other than winning AAC likely easier path.

The key is preparing yourself to compete in the ACC when you join.
IMHO the ACC is our best chance to move up, but we have to wait on their dominoes to fall…….which might take longer than we want.

Although reality is, we need to try to consistently be the Big fish in our small pond AAC in both FB & BB & in that scenario moving to ACC is equally as likely it would be by joining BE & going independent.

Going independent would mean we would never have the chance for a NY6 Bowl game. Basketball is NOT the driver here. Leaving our conference for the BE would be foolish.
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RE: Would Memphis join the Big East if offered?
How much is Fox Big East basketball contract?
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Quote:The incumbent media deal with Fox nets each member school in the Big East $4.6 million annually, a number that is then supplemented by a variety of factors, variables like NCAA Tournament appearances provide a boon in value, bringing in approximately a million dollars for every tournament game appearance in March. By way of illustration, for a league that sent 7 of its 10 teams to the 2017 tournament, a shared bonus check of $7M certainly helps all conference members. 

These numbers mean very little outside of the context of other media contracts across college sports. The Big 10 for instance nets approximately $50 million per school annually, albeit a significant amount of this value stems from football, a sport the Big East doesn’t sponsor. Can the Big East compete with schools whose media contracts earn multiples of what Fox pays

Enough said.

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(01-18-2023 02:30 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  How much is Fox Big East basketball contract?

I believe I saw it’s between $4-5M annually, & ends in 2025, so is coming up for renewal soon. Some internet posters have speculated the BE will take the same approach the B1G just did and offer certain days/time slots to different tv partners to increase TV$ & try to bring ESPN back into fold.

Safest bet is for UM to stay in AAC at its $7M +/- .
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(12-30-2021 01:18 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(12-29-2021 06:38 PM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  
(12-29-2021 06:11 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(12-29-2021 12:36 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  If you drop football a division or go independent, the whole athletic department will suffer YUGE

How so?

Seriously bud? That would be like saying tornadoes are bad for trailer parks and you ask “How so?”

Well?

The answer should be obvious to anyone with common sense. You're gonna have to ask someone, apparently.
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(01-18-2023 02:47 PM)msu35 Wrote:  
Quote:The incumbent media deal with Fox nets each member school in the Big East $4.6 million annually, a number that is then supplemented by a variety of factors, variables like NCAA Tournament appearances provide a boon in value, bringing in approximately a million dollars for every tournament game appearance in March. By way of illustration, for a league that sent 7 of its 10 teams to the 2017 tournament, a shared bonus check of $7M certainly helps all conference members. 

These numbers mean very little outside of the context of other media contracts across college sports. The Big 10 for instance nets approximately $50 million per school annually, albeit a significant amount of this value stems from football, a sport the Big East doesn’t sponsor. Can the Big East compete with schools whose media contracts earn multiples of what Fox pays

Enough said.

The Big East’s Media Marriage: Life Beyond 2025 with FS1

So if we dominate the Big East and play in 3 NCAA tournament games a year, we'll just break even with our current AAC payout...
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(01-18-2023 02:58 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(01-18-2023 02:47 PM)msu35 Wrote:  
Quote:The incumbent media deal with Fox nets each member school in the Big East $4.6 million annually, a number that is then supplemented by a variety of factors, variables like NCAA Tournament appearances provide a boon in value, bringing in approximately a million dollars for every tournament game appearance in March. By way of illustration, for a league that sent 7 of its 10 teams to the 2017 tournament, a shared bonus check of $7M certainly helps all conference members. 

These numbers mean very little outside of the context of other media contracts across college sports. The Big 10 for instance nets approximately $50 million per school annually, albeit a significant amount of this value stems from football, a sport the Big East doesn’t sponsor. Can the Big East compete with schools whose media contracts earn multiples of what Fox pays

Enough said.

The Big East’s Media Marriage: Life Beyond 2025 with FS1

So if we dominate the Big East and play in 3 NCAA tournament games a year, we'll just break even with our current AAC payout...

That tournament appearance bonus doesn't go to the individual school. It's split up and shared among all of the member schools, so it's even worse than that.
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(01-18-2023 02:57 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(12-30-2021 01:18 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(12-29-2021 06:38 PM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  
(12-29-2021 06:11 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(12-29-2021 12:36 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  If you drop football a division or go independent, the whole athletic department will suffer YUGE

How so?

Seriously bud? That would be like saying tornadoes are bad for trailer parks and you ask “How so?”

Well?

The answer should be obvious to anyone with common sense. You're gonna have to ask someone, apparently.

You do know that if we drop a sport we also drop all the expenses that come with it. That’s my whole point and question. Are we spending more than what’s coming in when you factor in the number of scholarships, coaching staff, support personnel and travel expenses for all of the above. And on top of that we also for title nine purposes have to fund the same amount of scholarships for womens sports. But hey shoot me for asking the tough questions
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RE: Would Memphis join the Big East if offered?
Actually with no P5 opportunity on the horizon for the next 10 yrs or so (considering current P5 media deals), a move to the BE if they get a substantial increase might be a smart one. We could play independent FB, keep all of our revenue & probably peak fan interest in the variety of teams we might play with aggressive scheduling. That's especially true if we continue to break even of worse in the depleted AAC.
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(01-18-2023 02:56 PM)hk25 Wrote:  
(01-18-2023 02:30 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  How much is Fox Big East basketball contract?

I believe I saw it’s between $4-5M annually, & ends in 2025, so is coming up for renewal soon. Some internet posters have speculated the BE will take the same approach the B1G just did and offer certain days/time slots to different tv partners to increase TV$ & try to bring ESPN back into fold.

Safest bet is for UM to stay in AAC at its $7M +/- .

Memphis is getting paid $7 Million by the AAC for their TV contracts? These Thursday/Sunday games in conference flat out suck...
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Are the "indy football" people ignoring the post that resurrected this thread - about UConn's growing athletic deficit since leaving the AAC?
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(01-18-2023 03:09 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-18-2023 02:57 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(12-30-2021 01:18 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(12-29-2021 06:38 PM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  
(12-29-2021 06:11 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  How so?

Seriously bud? That would be like saying tornadoes are bad for trailer parks and you ask “How so?”

Well?

The answer should be obvious to anyone with common sense. You're gonna have to ask someone, apparently.

You do know that if we drop a sport we also drop all the expenses that come with it. That’s my whole point and question. Are we spending more than what’s coming in when you factor in the number of scholarships, coaching staff, support personnel and travel expenses for all of the above. And on top of that we also for title nine purposes have to fund the same amount of scholarships for womens sports. But hey shoot me for asking the tough questions

There have been lots of studies showing the positive impact to an overall university by having a good football program - enrollment, donations, etc. So it's not just as simple as a fb spending analysis.

The Title IX is a good point - but that only comes to play if you drop fb altoghether - which would be devastating to the university, IMO. And I'm not so sure Memphis could successfully navigate dropping women's sports in today's environment anyway.
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(01-18-2023 03:19 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  
(01-18-2023 02:56 PM)hk25 Wrote:  
(01-18-2023 02:30 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  How much is Fox Big East basketball contract?

I believe I saw it’s between $4-5M annually, & ends in 2025, so is coming up for renewal soon. Some internet posters have speculated the BE will take the same approach the B1G just did and offer certain days/time slots to different tv partners to increase TV$ & try to bring ESPN back into fold.

Safest bet is for UM to stay in AAC at its $7M +/- .

Memphis is getting paid $7 Million by the AAC for their TV contracts? These Thursday/Sunday games in conference flat out suck...

$7m is the total for all sports. UConn for example gets the 4.6m for all sports but FB from BE. I think their FB contract with CBSN pays them $100K per game, which really sucks. Which is why in my theoretical example, I said for me to remotely be on board with going independent is if we had ESPN’s help with scheduling which would improve our FB only pay & opposition (which may also lead to increase attendance $). If we don’t have at least 6 of ESPN’s other P5 properties on our schedule every year, no way ESPN would pay us enough to make independent worth it.
Nobody would like replacing the AAC teams with UCONN, UMASS, NMSU, Army, etc & the P5 teams will likely not schedule us without ESPN’s influence. Which is a long shot at best.
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(01-18-2023 04:06 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Are the "indy football" people ignoring the post that resurrected this thread - about UConn's growing athletic deficit since leaving the AAC?

They, like us would leave their current conference in a minute to join even a depleted ACC…..& that should be their goal….& ours…..we don’t have to put all of our hopes on the B12.
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(01-18-2023 11:57 AM)hk25 Wrote:  
(12-24-2021 05:07 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  This would mean going independent in football and no Big 12 invite is on the horizon (I don't think there is tbh).

While my answer is no, there is a scenario where I would not be opposed to joining the BE & going independent in FB temporarily……until the ACC is raided and UM moves there with UCONN & maybe a couple more when their GOR is over & top 4 teams leave.

If the UM partnered with ESPN who helped influenced a scheduled that was 1/4 SEC, 1/4 ACC, & 1/2 AAC/SBC/other independents, 11 with home & home series & the 1 annual buy game (guaranteeing ESPN had rights to all UM games during this timeframe). The market value of having 6 games a year vs SEC/ACC would likely pay UM more than AAC contract currently does. The drawback of being independent likely is the limited access to CFP, but realistically a schedule with 6 SEC &ACC games likely eliminates that anyway, or if we run the table are probably high enough rated for an at large bid so maybe limited harm, other than winning AAC likely easier path.

But why would ESPN do that? I wouldn’t think they’d want a weaker AAC unless they were trying to beef up another conference. It seems they have us right where they want us to be.
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If we had a strong national brand that could pull significant viewers, I could see us negotiating a reasonably acceptable media contract. As it stands, that's not the case. Furthermore, if we had an audience like that, we'd already be in the P5 and this wouldn't even be considered.
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(01-18-2023 05:02 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(01-18-2023 11:57 AM)hk25 Wrote:  
(12-24-2021 05:07 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  This would mean going independent in football and no Big 12 invite is on the horizon (I don't think there is tbh).

While my answer is no, there is a scenario where I would not be opposed to joining the BE & going independent in FB temporarily……until the ACC is raided and UM moves there with UCONN & maybe a couple more when their GOR is over & top 4 teams leave.

If the UM partnered with ESPN who helped influenced a scheduled that was 1/4 SEC, 1/4 ACC, & 1/2 AAC/SBC/other independents, 11 with home & home series & the 1 annual buy game (guaranteeing ESPN had rights to all UM games during this timeframe). The market value of having 6 games a year vs SEC/ACC would likely pay UM more than AAC contract currently does. The drawback of being independent likely is the limited access to CFP, but realistically a schedule with 6 SEC &ACC games likely eliminates that anyway, or if we run the table are probably high enough rated for an at large bid so maybe limited harm, other than winning AAC likely easier path.

But why would ESPN do that? I wouldn’t think they’d want a weaker AAC unless they were trying to beef up another conference. It seems they have us right where they want us to be.

Long stretch for sure & very selfish from a Memphis 1st perspective I will admit, but if SMU went to PAC, does ESPN really want to continue to pay AAC current rate, why not move Memphis out too, triggering the AAC contract to be renegotiated & dropped down to SBC rate. Take $4M of that $40M +/- savings to pay UM which you are eventually going to add to ACC which you already own & which will add a tv market to the ACC network which ESPN partially owns. By playing 6 sec/ACC schools you are also adding inventory to the ACCN & SECN networks which is good business for ESPN & at a fraction of the costs they are paying the current ACC & SEC teams.

Long shots & very unlikely, since the safest bet is to just let the UM play in AAC until the ACC needs new blood then move the top of the AAC then.
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(01-18-2023 04:32 PM)hk25 Wrote:  
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(01-18-2023 02:56 PM)hk25 Wrote:  
(01-18-2023 02:30 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  How much is Fox Big East basketball contract?

I believe I saw it’s between $4-5M annually, & ends in 2025, so is coming up for renewal soon. Some internet posters have speculated the BE will take the same approach the B1G just did and offer certain days/time slots to different tv partners to increase TV$ & try to bring ESPN back into fold.

Safest bet is for UM to stay in AAC at its $7M +/- .

Memphis is getting paid $7 Million by the AAC for their TV contracts? These Thursday/Sunday games in conference flat out suck...

$7m is the total for all sports. UConn for example gets the 4.6m for all sports but FB from BE. I think their FB contract with CBSN pays them $100K per game, which really sucks. Which is why in my theoretical example, I said for me to remotely be on board with going independent is if we had ESPN’s help with scheduling which would improve our FB only pay & opposition (which may also lead to increase attendance $). If we don’t have at least 6 of ESPN’s other P5 properties on our schedule every year, no way ESPN would pay us enough to make independent worth it.
Nobody would like replacing the AAC teams with UCONN, UMASS, NMSU, Army, etc & the P5 teams will likely not schedule us without ESPN’s influence. Which is a long shot at best.

ESPN's help??? On what planet? Where have you been?
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