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(05-09-2022 02:13 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Besides Roethlisberger - how many MAC QBs have played in NFL in last 20 years?

None of ours have even been drafted.

Don't watch a lot of it but I don't see any former MAC QBs even in USFL.

Logan Woodside and Cooper Rush have seen limited action as backups recently. That's all I can think of.

It's very hard to land in the NFL as a QB. Only 32 teams and the good QBs (Brady, Brees, Favre, etc) can spend 15-20 years or more in the league. Doesn't leave a lot of space for all the great QBs that come out college every year.

(05-09-2022 02:35 PM)floridabronco Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:13 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Besides Roethlisberger - how many MAC QBs have played in NFL in last 20 years?

None of ours have even been drafted.

Don't watch a lot of it but I don't see any former MAC QBs even in USFL.

Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich are close to that twenty year window. How about Bruce Gradkowski or Julian Edelman (WR in the NFL)?

Marshall doesn't count.

You're right Gradkowski was drafted-able to hang around The League for a decade.

Forgot about him.

But he was also MAC MVP which Eleby wasn't.

Edelman was an option QB at Kent State on losing teams who was a Slot Receiver-Punt Returner in NFL.

He was drafted as an athlete, not a QB.

You think Eleby wants to change positions?

Geno Smith is a survivor. Pretty much anyone who plays for the Jets is...

(05-09-2022 02:44 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:35 PM)floridabronco Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:13 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Besides Roethlisberger - how many MAC QBs have played in NFL in last 20 years?

None of ours have even been drafted.

Don't watch a lot of it but I don't see any former MAC QBs even in USFL.

Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich are close to that twenty year window. How about Bruce Gradkowski or Julian Edelman (WR in the NFL)?

Marshall doesn't count.

You're right Gradkowski was drafted-able to hang around The League for a decade.

Forgot about him.

But he was also MAC MVP which Eleby wasn't.

Edelman was an option QB at Kent State on losing teams who was a Slot Receiver-Punt Returner in NFL.

He was drafted as an athlete, not a QB.

You think Eleby wants to change positions?

Charlie Batch

(05-10-2022 12:37 PM)WMUPorter Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:44 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:35 PM)floridabronco Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:13 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Besides Roethlisberger - how many MAC QBs have played in NFL in last 20 years?

None of ours have even been drafted.

Don't watch a lot of it but I don't see any former MAC QBs even in USFL.

Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich are close to that twenty year window. How about Bruce Gradkowski or Julian Edelman (WR in the NFL)?

Marshall doesn't count.

You're right Gradkowski was drafted-able to hang around The League for a decade.

Forgot about him.

But he was also MAC MVP which Eleby wasn't.

Edelman was an option QB at Kent State on losing teams who was a Slot Receiver-Punt Returner in NFL.

He was drafted as an athlete, not a QB.

You think Eleby wants to change positions?

Charlie Batch

Cooper rush. Josh cribbs. Cribbs switched positions and was an elite KR/WR

(05-10-2022 02:40 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 12:37 PM)WMUPorter Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:44 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:35 PM)floridabronco Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:13 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Besides Roethlisberger - how many MAC QBs have played in NFL in last 20 years?

None of ours have even been drafted.

Don't watch a lot of it but I don't see any former MAC QBs even in USFL.

Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich are close to that twenty year window. How about Bruce Gradkowski or Julian Edelman (WR in the NFL)?

Marshall doesn't count.

You're right Gradkowski was drafted-able to hang around The League for a decade.

Forgot about him.

But he was also MAC MVP which Eleby wasn't.

Edelman was an option QB at Kent State on losing teams who was a Slot Receiver-Punt Returner in NFL.

He was drafted as an athlete, not a QB.

You think Eleby wants to change positions?

Charlie Batch

Cooper rush. Josh cribbs. Cribbs switched positions and was an elite KR/WR

Okay, fine.

When was last former WMU QB to throw a pass in a regular season NFL game?

And what makes you think Eleby will be the next (actually first)?

(05-10-2022 02:55 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 02:40 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 12:37 PM)WMUPorter Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:44 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 02:35 PM)floridabronco Wrote:  Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich are close to that twenty year window. How about Bruce Gradkowski or Julian Edelman (WR in the NFL)?

Marshall doesn't count.

You're right Gradkowski was drafted-able to hang around The League for a decade.

Forgot about him.

But he was also MAC MVP which Eleby wasn't.

Edelman was an option QB at Kent State on losing teams who was a Slot Receiver-Punt Returner in NFL.

He was drafted as an athlete, not a QB.

You think Eleby wants to change positions?

Charlie Batch

Cooper rush. Josh cribbs. Cribbs switched positions and was an elite KR/WR

Okay, fine.

When was last former WMU QB to throw a pass in a regular season NFL game?

And what makes you think Eleby will be the next (actually first)?

Ed Chlebek played for the NY jets in regular season when they were the AFL. Isn’t Tim Hiller the closest with an NFL preseason game. Pretty sad

He's mentioned in this article trying out at the Saints' Rookie Camp

https://www.nola.com/sports/rod_walker/a...5f5d6.html

Overall, Eleby declaring early for the NFL draft is one of the worst moves I've ever seen by a college football player.

Who told him to go pro? He's not on any roster, in any training camp. Terrible move.

(08-01-2022 02:01 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  Overall, Eleby declaring early for the NFL draft is one of the worst moves I've ever seen by a college football player.

Who told him to go pro? He's not on any roster, in any training camp. Terrible move.

I doubt it was Lester, or anybody connected with WMU.

More likely a family member, "hanger-on," or would-be agent who thought they would make some money off him.

(08-01-2022 02:01 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  Overall, Eleby declaring early for the NFL draft is one of the worst moves I've ever seen by a college football player.

Who told him to go pro? He's not on any roster, in any training camp. Terrible move.

Yes, huge mistake. And I was shocked at the decision. As good as he was, it was debatable if he was even a top 10 QB in his class. I don't think he had quite hit his potential yet. I feel bad for him. He took bad advice and now he's paying for it.

Well, there is USFL and XFL.

Maybe he can catch on in one of those.

Id like to see College Football adopt the "If you declare for the draft and don't get drafted, you can come back and play" like the NBA / College Basketball does.

This is a prime example where that would be nice, allows the player, hey you need more time to develop and give it a shot again next year.

(08-01-2022 04:34 PM)Broncodan Wrote:  Id like to see College Football adopt the "If you declare for the draft and don't get drafted, you can come back and play" like the NBA / College Basketball does.

This is a prime example where that would be nice, allows the player, hey you need more time to develop and give it a shot again next year.

The only thing I can think is he was likely going to regress numbers wise when Skyy opted NFL. Figured it was his best option for a possible draft paycheck.

Too bad for him. He should have stuck around.

(08-01-2022 04:34 PM)Broncodan Wrote:  Id like to see College Football adopt the "If you declare for the draft and don't get drafted, you can come back and play" like the NBA / College Basketball does.

This is a prime example where that would be nice, allows the player, hey you need more time to develop and give it a shot again next year.

Yeah, if we're going to pay some current players at a pro-level, I don't see the moral justification for this rule to stay in place. If we're going to embrace anarchy, just make it any player enrolled in enough classes can play.

Are we sure Eleby was even enrolled? Maybe he flunked out, he was here 4 yrs and appears he didn't graduate. Maybe he was done playing school. I thought he was regressing year by year. He had great talent around him and came in last place in MAC West. I'm ready for a change.

If it was due to an agent, hopefully TL knows who it was & steers future players away from them.

Quote:Maybe he flunked out, he was here 4 yrs and appears he didn't graduate.

I wouldn't assume he flunked out, no. Word was, IIRC, was that he bypassed what would have been the 1-year waiting period if transferring to another school Anyway -- and it was assumed he graduated. Or at least grades not at all being a factor.

Quote:Overall, Eleby declaring early for the NFL draft is one of the worst moves I've ever seen by a college football player.

I agree it was really bad. I think Corey Davis' side-kick WR leaving early for the draft and not going anywhere + missing out on our BCS bowl year (that would have made beating Wisconsin a much better possibility; especially with Davis not being 100% ending the season) -- just as bad or worse.

Quote:Id like to see College Football adopt the "If you declare for the draft and don't get drafted, you can come back and play" like the NBA / College Basketball does.

I can see why people wouldn't like that rule -- but IMO, it would be something different that applies to those who may not be drafted, or seemingly "should" albeit at the Very end of it. IMO...

(1) You have to put up a request for this possibility
(2) If you're evaluated as most likely drafted in the middle or better -- they'll deny you
(3) If accepted, you can go to the training/evaluation camps by the NFL -- and nearing the draft, NCAA will evaluate you again
(4) If it then stands out that you made Quite the impression to NFL scouts and you'd surely be drafted, they'd warn you and tell you to fish or cut bait within 24 hours
(5) Otherwise, you have until the day before the draft to opt out; but if you stay to the draft, you can't come back even if you're not picked

I think Eleby would have been the wiser and opted to back off right before.

There was a time when kids were afraid to make bad decisions, that time is long gone.