(12-18-2021 01:04 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(12-18-2021 12:57 AM)lessercc Wrote:  5 false starts to noise is not shameful, that place is borderline illegal with noise.

It is shameful when your coach insists on using a clap snap. The O-line having to hear a clap in a well known noise factory was Cig’s fault. He talked about it pregame and he was dead wrong.

Nothing illegal about a great home field advantage. It is part of the reason they are 31-1 in home playoff games. If they have an equal opponent, the 12th man gives them the win. It hurt for sure, but Cojo’s 2 INT’s were killers. He wasn’t clutch when he needed to be clutch.
Plus Mateo Jackson and DTD getting sucked in and punked by slow developing passes to the FB over their head for TD’s.

ND State was more disciplined, smarter, and deserved to win.
Cig did not put his team in position to win with his snap choice faux pas and his butchering of 2 timeouts on offense in the 4th quarter. He has a poor record of managing the game in close contests.

I agree it might have been overlooked, but the in game adjustments were so great no one can discard those vs the hand slap decision.

Of course we can... line up under center. Clap snap didnt fool anyone all year, and it makes no sense in Fargo

I see we're back to "Fire Mickey, selling tickets" posters after a game where we barely lost on the road in a very loud atmosphere to a program that has won 8 of 10 FCS championships. I'm certainly not thrilled with the play calling either (thought we should have run on first and second inside the 12 on the second to last drive), but to think this program still isn't tremendous under Cig is letting their emotions get the best of the.

We're going to have many frustrating games in FBS...it's big boy football and we're no longer going to be able to just out recruit many of our opponents. Maybe Cig isn't the guy long term, but I've spent enough years watching subpar JMU football to know a good thing when we have one.

(12-18-2021 01:08 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  It feels like a good time to make a coaching change. With the move to the Sun Belt, we contractually need to significantly increase Cignetti's salary over the next two years. He's not worth it.

He might have been the best we could do at a top-end FCS salary level, but we can do better at a median Sun Belt salary level. Time to move on.

Silly. He is a good coach, plus we can’t afford to buy him out anyway if he was a bad coach.
However, he isn’t a great coach, at least not yet because he hasn’t won a title. JMU has a ton of advantages in FCS and he is 0 for 3.
Mike Houston > Curt Cignetti.
Matt Entz > Curt Cignetti. And that stings.

The bar will be different in FBS. No more title chances with a stacked deck against inferior programs. Maybe in 3 years there is an expanded FBS playoff and JMU can put that on its radar of achievable goals.
1- next year is a throwaway transition year. No consequences. Record doesn’t matter
2- year 2 in FBS would be a transition year for most but may be a real FBS year for JMU if the waiver is approved. First year of real pressure for Cig. 0-12 probably gets you fired, but a losing record doesn’t necessarily create a hot seat especially if most games are competitive.
3- year 3. Do or die. Whatever the benchmark is, he will need to deliver. 7 wins? 8 wins? 9 wins? A win over a top 25 team? Bourne could be retired by then and a new AD would have no connection to Cig which makes it easier to fire.

I think he will be successful in FBS since he gets to hire a bigger coaching staff and can surround himself with people that can cover his weaknesses. He could literally have a nerd sitting in the press box that tells him when/when not to call timeouts, when/when not to go for 2, when/when not to kick a FG or go for a 4th down conversion. But he’s got to let go of his ego and swallow his pride allowing someone else to have that control for the betterment of the team.

(12-18-2021 01:08 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  It feels like a good time to make a coaching change. With the move to the Sun Belt, we contractually need to significantly increase Cignetti's salary over the next two years. He's not worth it.

He might have been the best we could do at a top-end FCS salary level, but we can do better at a median Sun Belt salary level. Time to move on.

I agree, but the second half adjustments showed me this staff can coach. It was more impressive to me than was the clock management.

(12-18-2021 01:32 AM)lessercc Wrote:  

(12-18-2021 01:08 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  It feels like a good time to make a coaching change. With the move to the Sun Belt, we contractually need to significantly increase Cignetti's salary over the next two years. He's not worth it.

He might have been the best we could do at a top-end FCS salary level, but we can do better at a median Sun Belt salary level. Time to move on.

I agree, but the second half adjustments showed me this staff can coach. It was more impressive to me than was the clock management.

Well continuing to somehow lose the guy that killed us all game wasn't such a great in game adjustment. Offensively though, definitely stepped up big time in the second half. Some of that was CoJo settling in(until the second pick) I think, but definitely improved playcalling as well. The frustrating part to me is that it was when we went back to the type of playcalling that's had us rolling for the past six games... Why did we revert back to pre-Elon playcalling to start the game in the first place?

So yeah, offensively is a little tough to judge for me. Defensively certainly could've been better, which feels weird to say because normally Hetherman is the one I don't worry about at all. Giving up on trying to get the ball back and put some points on the board in the first half and the clock management was so bad though, fell well short of putting the team in the best position to win.

Edit: Also just adding that I definitely don't think we should be firing him on Monday or anything. But I hope the expectations are high enough for next year, and I hope that when we lose his job will depend on how we lose and whether it was a matter of needing time to ramp up to Sun Belt level talent or a matter of coaching blunders costing us the opportunity to beat good teams.

(12-18-2021 01:04 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(12-18-2021 12:57 AM)lessercc Wrote:  5 false starts to noise is not shameful, that place is borderline illegal with noise.

It is shameful when your coach insists on using a clap snap. The O-line having to hear a clap in a well known noise factory was Cig’s fault. He talked about it pregame and he was dead wrong.

Nothing illegal about a great home field advantage. It is part of the reason they are 31-1 in home playoff games. If they have an equal opponent, the 12th man gives them the win. It hurt for sure, but Cojo’s 2 INT’s were killers. He wasn’t clutch when he needed to be clutch.
Plus Mateo Jackson and DTD getting sucked in and punked by slow developing passes to the FB over their head for TD’s.

ND State was more disciplined, smarter, and deserved to win.
Cig did not put his team in position to win with his snap choice faux pas and his butchering of 2 timeouts on offense in the 4th quarter. He has a poor record of managing the game in close contests.

What other options are there?
-Yelling ‘Hut, hut’ from a shotgun? That might not work any better in that noise.
-Holding hands/silent count? Well, we saw how well that worked in 2016.
-Your not going to get under center if you haven’t done it all year. Wasn’t Bama under center though when CC was there (2007-2010)? I was thinking so but don’t remember for sure

So what are you suppose to do so there’s little to no false starts in that noise?

Um.. prepare for the game and go under center. Cigs ego is in the GD way

(12-18-2021 03:03 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Um.. prepare for the game and go under center. Cigs ego is in the GD way

When was the last time JMU went (mostly) under center? 2013? In 6 years at JMU CJ hadn’t probably gone under center 6 times. You think you could do that for an entire game at the drop of a hat?

This thread is something. Coaching is fine. People need realistic expectations. Their defensive line ate up our offensive line all night. Simple as that. All they had to do was line up with 2 high safeties and keep us in front of them.

Did Cignetti miss a wide open Thornton and throw a pick into double coverage instead? Did Cignetti not tackle #44 or not cover him on the long passes he caught? I think our coaching staff is fine. A few execution miscues lost the game last night.

(12-18-2021 03:24 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-18-2021 03:03 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Um.. prepare for the game and go under center. Cigs ego is in the GD way

When was the last time JMU went (mostly) under center? 2013? In 6 years at JMU CJ hadn’t probably gone under center 6 times. You think you could do that for an entire game at the drop of a hat?

Exactly. CJ stood in the shotgun and couldn’t recognize a blitz coming right up at him in the A gap. His command and awareness was lacking, think he could all of a sudden work from under center and pick things up in the 5 step drop?

(12-18-2021 07:47 AM)jmu007 Wrote:  This thread is something. Coaching is fine. People need realistic expectations.

(12-18-2021 08:26 AM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  Did Cignetti miss a wide open Thornton and throw a pick into double coverage instead? Did Cignetti not tackle #44 or not cover him on the long passes he caught? I think our coaching staff is fine. A few execution miscues lost the game last night.

Stop making sense, that’s not allowed around here.

(12-18-2021 07:47 AM)jmu007 Wrote:  This thread is something. Coaching is fine. People need realistic expectations. Their defensive line ate up our offensive line all night. Simple as that. All they had to do was line up with 2 high safeties and keep us in front of them.

This, NDSU is a better football team, we lost.

We let the beating teams 50 - 0 all season because we play weak teams on the reg fool us into thinking we can't lose at the fcs level.

There are and have been a handful of teams that can beat us if we don't play error free and NDSU is at the top of the list

Let's recruit FBS players now (that is on Big Game Cig), and don't look back

(12-18-2021 12:58 AM)lessercc Wrote:  

(12-18-2021 12:56 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  In FBS terms... they are Bama and we are Georgia

Doesnt sound bad, but we are now 1-4 against a great program. I just wish they were going FBS

They never played us once in Hburg.

We tried to work out a more regional or H/H schedule with them, and those ChickenSh*& had nothing to do with it. their climate controlled tin shed is their comfort zone, and there is 0 chance they have the Titles they do in the past 5 years without it.. basically they are scared to travel to BFS. Remember they can't control the noise, temperature, ref's, scoreboard, etc on the road ...

(12-18-2021 12:56 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  In FBS terms... they are Bama and we are Georgia

Doesnt sound bad, but we are now 1-4 against a great program. I just wish they were going FBS

Best answer. The smelly Bison did what they had to do to win and we didn't.

I was surprised by a few things....

1. Our inability to stop Leupke on the ground. No one has run on our defense like that.

2. Arm tackling. Stupid!

3. Lack of offensive production. Yes, the noise was terrible, but Cole was way off and damned near blind, throwing into double coverage for a pick with a wide open receiver in the same field of vision for a certain touchdown.

I guess it just wasn't meant to be. I am very glad we will never have to play in the Fargodump again. On a neutral field or in Bridgeforth, we maul the smellies bad. We are a much more talented football team than they are.

As for the "Fire Cig!" mantra, c'mon, check his record. Yes, NDSU owns him, but otherwise, recruiting especially, he has done great and will only get better. Aside from the clock management issue, he is as good a coach as any we could hope for.

NOISE 20
JMU 14

Our coach is Marty Schottenheimer. He's a great coach until the playoffs when he/his team have inexplicable brain farts and bad luck. Fortunately we are leaving a playoff system and will just have one bowl game to prepare for if we continue to win in regular season. Stay the course.

(12-18-2021 08:26 AM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  Did Cignetti miss a wide open Thornton and throw a pick into double coverage instead? Did Cignetti not tackle #44 or not cover him on the long passes he caught? I think our coaching staff is fine. A few execution miscues lost the game last night.

Exactly! And, Hart, please stop with the "Mike Houston > Curt Cignetti" crap. Houston not only lost to Colgate, he also lost to Cig (Elon)!

Cig is a fine coach and we are lucky to have him.

Cignetti is doing a great job for us and we will do well in the SBC. As other posters have pointed out, our coaching staff did not throw any INTs, did not miss wide open receivers, did not miss tackles, and did not leave ND St receivers wide open.

(12-18-2021 10:29 AM)Bill Wrote:  Cignetti is doing a great job for us and we will do well in the SBC. As other posters have pointed out, our coaching staff did not throw any INTs, did not miss wide open receivers, did not miss tackles, and did not leave ND St receivers wide open.