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RE: Pro football at the college level - Ugh
(01-11-2022 10:24 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat? How many of their seniors will end up in the pros next year? What has happened to college athletics? How much are college coaches really worth? Should they be the highest paid employees of the school? Has this gotten out of control? You decide.

Even the greatest college football teams could never beat a pro team. Remember that even guys at the bottom of the depth chart in the NFL were top line players in college and/or are insane athletes.

I don't think that it's gotten out of control at all. So many fans complain about how it was supposedly purer back in the day... but it never was. It was a fallacy. No one should know that more than SMU (see the 1980s).

If the college sports industrial complex is worth billions of dollars, then it stands to reason that the coaches and players should be compensated accordingly. No one seems to have a problem with this in any other industry in America. I'm not sure why college sports would be an exception to that rule.

It's been out of control for a very long time - I agree with that. It's getting increasingly worse IMO though when you add in the conference realignment fiasco.

The college revenue sports as a group are making billions - no doubt about this. However, where does this money go? Most of the universities aren't getting it just by looking at the balance sheets of their Athletic Departments. The annual cost of tuition continues to greatly outpace inflation.

Most people who are stakeholders in this farce do not benefit at all. The biggest group getting screwed over in this is the college student who has to continue to pay ever rising costs to get an education.
01-12-2022 08:44 AM
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RE: Pro football at the college level - Ugh
(01-12-2022 08:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  I think it was unfortunate that the OP started with a question about how many pro teams could Alabama or Georgia beat. Because that's what this thread became about rather than whether college athletics have gotten out of control, which appears to me to have been the original intent of the OP.

First, let me say that in the 65+ years that I have been following college sports, they have always been professional. Athletes have always been given something of value in exchange for their efforts in their sport. For much of that time, it was a good bargain for the athletes and a fair trade. Schools (and coaches) weren't making huge profits from sponsoring athletics.

In the more recent past, that bargain has changed dramatically, to the point that some - not most - athletes are no longer getting a fair deal. Most still are. What is happening today is a long overdue course correction for football players, and to a lesser extent, men's basketball players. The mega-millions their efforts produce are making other people very rich.

The big question to be answered is how do we correct that exploitation without destroying college athletics in the process. IMO, that's what we should be talking about - not whether Alabama could beat the Detroit Lions.

This is a very insightful post. Can anything be done or are we slaves to the almighty dollar? I disagree with the bolded statement though. If they are on scholarship it is true. But if they are not, it is not true. They are the same as high school athletes.
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01-12-2022 11:31 AM
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RE: Pro football at the college level - Ugh
The NFL champs used to play a College All-Star team in the preseason in the 1930s-70s. NFL took the series lead only after the 7th game, won 19 of the first 30 games, then beat the All Stars in the all 12 games after 1963.

A team that has played together all year > a rag-tag group of All-Stars. But even with consistent coaching, I don't think Alabama or Georgia could beat the Jacksonville Jaguars next weekend.
01-12-2022 11:40 AM
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RE: Pro football at the college level - Ugh
(01-12-2022 08:44 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 10:24 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(01-11-2022 09:43 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  How many pro teams could Georgia or Bama beat? How many of their seniors will end up in the pros next year? What has happened to college athletics? How much are college coaches really worth? Should they be the highest paid employees of the school? Has this gotten out of control? You decide.

Even the greatest college football teams could never beat a pro team. Remember that even guys at the bottom of the depth chart in the NFL were top line players in college and/or are insane athletes.

I don't think that it's gotten out of control at all. So many fans complain about how it was supposedly purer back in the day... but it never was. It was a fallacy. No one should know that more than SMU (see the 1980s).

If the college sports industrial complex is worth billions of dollars, then it stands to reason that the coaches and players should be compensated accordingly. No one seems to have a problem with this in any other industry in America. I'm not sure why college sports would be an exception to that rule.

It's been out of control for a very long time - I agree with that. It's getting increasingly worse IMO though when you add in the conference realignment fiasco.

The college revenue sports as a group are making billions - no doubt about this. However, where does this money go? Most of the universities aren't getting it just by looking at the balance sheets of their Athletic Departments. The annual cost of tuition continues to greatly outpace inflation.

Most people who are stakeholders in this farce do not benefit at all. The biggest group getting screwed over in this is the college student who has to continue to pay ever rising costs to get an education.

04-bow nailed it.
01-12-2022 11:47 AM
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RE: Pro football at the college level - Ugh
(01-12-2022 11:40 AM)Crayton Wrote:  A team that has played together all year > a rag-tag group of All-Stars. But even with consistent coaching, I don't think Alabama or Georgia could beat the Jacksonville Jaguars next weekend.

That's the same across multiple sports and competitive levels. The best high school football team could not win in college; or put another way, Baylor basketball wouldn't last with an NBA team.
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