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(12-15-2021 12:17 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  REPEAT. NOTHING happens till CFP setup and money distribution along with NCAA constitution changes are known.

IF you could lose one more...

In fact we could lose SHSU if all the financial troubles and pitiful attendance in Huntsville cause an about face.

agree. if cfp expansion also means conferences get $ for 12 rather than 10:
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MoST or another eastern program

WEST: NDSU, SDSt, UTEP, NMSU, SHSU, LT
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(12-15-2021 06:12 AM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 02:25 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  UCA AD has been very public about FBS as a near term goal.

If McNeese State, Tarleton State and UCA joined CUSA eventually that wouldn't be a bad thing at all IMO as long as you got a better TV deal. Would look like:

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NMSU, UTEP, Tarleton State, SHSU, LT, McNeese State

STATES: (NM, TX, LA)

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JSU, MTSU, WKU, Liberty, FIU, UCA

STATES: (FL, TN, KY, AK, AL, VA)

Because we aren’t already spread out too much? 03-lmfao 04-cheers
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Jackson State in Mississippi is coached be a super star from the NFL who is doing a great job with that program. His fame and coaching, recruiting ability would be a huge splash if CUSA added that school. Number 10 is Jackson State.
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I will be very surprised if Coach Prime is still coaching in Jackson by next fall.
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(12-15-2021 11:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Jackson State in Mississippi is coached be a super star from the NFL who is doing a great job with that program. His fame and coaching, recruiting ability would be a huge splash if CUSA added that school. Number 10 is Jackson State.

And if Prime leaves Jackson St. would the school still be a desirable add for CUSA?
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(12-15-2021 12:50 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 11:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Jackson State in Mississippi is coached be a super star from the NFL who is doing a great job with that program. His fame and coaching, recruiting ability would be a huge splash if CUSA added that school. Number 10 is Jackson State.

And if Prime leaves Jackson St. would the school still be a desirable add for CUSA?

IMO Deion has sorta backed himself into a corner. He is preaching about the virtues of building up HBCUs to national prominence and getting great players to skip the P5 offers, which will put him in a tough spot to take a P5 job in the near future. It's going to be a selfish look to suddenly take a P5 job and change his tune..
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Dude, have you ever been exposed to the guy who name is Deion Sanders? I covered him daily for years and barring a lte life change that is not even going to cross his mind.
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(12-15-2021 08:08 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Too many team in the west, give us Kennesaw or UTC.
Personally, I like McNeese because of their fanbase is passionate and fun. Could easily be the number two team in Louisiana in a short period of time.

That statement isn't even close to being correct. They will not surpass La Tech and they certainly wont pass Louisiana, ever. Trying not to come off as a ***k, but its a reality.

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(12-15-2021 08:08 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Too many team in the west, give us Kennesaw or UTC.
Personally, I like McNeese because of their fanbase is passionate and fun. Could easily be the number two team in Louisiana in a short period of time.

If you only add Kennesaw, the conference would have 6 teams in the East and 4 in the West (NMSU, UTEP, SHSU, and La Tech).

That would put JSU in the western division. (No matter what geography dictates, WKU isn't going to be moved to the West away from their natural rival MTSU. JSU, as the new kid, would take that hit.)

If instead you added SFA in the West, it would guarantee JSU a spot in the East where we belong.

When/if the conference expands to 12, we could add KSU (or UTC or NCAT) to the East, along with one final western team for balance.

Short of dropping some existing members (i.e., having them be poached by other conferences) I don't see any path to getting two more East teams in without moving up to 14, which is probably way too big for CUSA. There's definitely no path to adding 4-5 eastern schools without losing multiple existing schools. Believe me, I've looked.
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(12-15-2021 12:17 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  REPEAT. NOTHING happens till CFP setup and money distribution along with NCAA constitution changes are known.

IF you could lose one more...

In fact we could lose SHSU if all the financial troubles and pitiful attendance in Huntsville cause an about face.
This is a good idea. CUSA goes to 8 and can split a larger sum of the CFB money. SHSU lessens the financial burden and returns to the FCS. And no, attendance isn’t going to increase. I guarantee you even less people care to see us blow out NMST or UTEP than they do Lamar or ACU.
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(12-15-2021 02:12 PM)Nickleback rules Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 08:08 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Too many team in the west, give us Kennesaw or UTC.
Personally, I like McNeese because of their fanbase is passionate and fun. Could easily be the number two team in Louisiana in a short period of time.

That statement isn't even close to being correct. They will not surpass La Tech and they certainly wont pass Louisiana, ever. Trying not to come off as a ***k, but its a reality.

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Which Louisiana are you referring to? They could certainly pass Monroe.
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(12-15-2021 11:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Jackson State in Mississippi is coached be a super star from the NFL who is doing a great job with that program. His fame and coaching, recruiting ability would be a huge splash if CUSA added that school. Number 10 is Jackson State.

AGREE! Time to think "outside the box". They should at least be considered with an open mind. Do they have the desire and money to go FBS?? How will they feel about leaving other HBCU's behind? Who is their biggest rival? Maybe we should bring Florida A&M or another well supported HBCU along with them.

NOTE: Spare me the usual-- "Well, HBCU's usually like to stick together; they lack monetary support; it's never been done,etc., etc..

All I am saying is that the idea is one to take a FRESH-- SECOND look. They may not be interested. I'm in favor of looking at the possibilities.
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(12-15-2021 04:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 11:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Jackson State in Mississippi is coached be a super star from the NFL who is doing a great job with that program. His fame and coaching, recruiting ability would be a huge splash if CUSA added that school. Number 10 is Jackson State.

AGREE! Time to think "outside the box". They should at least be considered with an open mind. Do they have the desire and money to go FBS?? How will they feel about leaving other HBCU's behind? Who is their biggest rival? Maybe we should bring Florida A&M or another well supported HBCU along with them.

NOTE: Spare me the usual-- "Well, HBCU's usually like to stick together; they lack monetary support; it's never been done,etc., etc..

All I am saying is that the idea is one to take a FRESH-- SECOND look. They may not be interested. I'm in favor of looking at the possibilities.

If CUSA added Jackson State and wanted to include a 2nd HBCU, I'd go with NCAT. They'd provide a travel partner for Liberty, they'd extend our coverage (without actually "expanding" the footprint) into the Carolinas, and they've got stated FBS aspirations.

Of course, that would bring us to 11 teams. I'd still throw in SFA for balance:

EAST
NCAT
Liberty
Jacksonville St
WKU
MTSU
FIU

WEST
Jackson St
NMSU
UTEP
La Tech
SHSU
SFA
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(12-15-2021 12:58 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 12:50 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 11:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Jackson State in Mississippi is coached be a super star from the NFL who is doing a great job with that program. His fame and coaching, recruiting ability would be a huge splash if CUSA added that school. Number 10 is Jackson State.

And if Prime leaves Jackson St. would the school still be a desirable add for CUSA?

IMO Deion has sorta backed himself into a corner. He is preaching about the virtues of building up HBCUs to national prominence and getting great players to skip the P5 offers, which will put him in a tough spot to take a P5 job in the near future. It's going to be a selfish look to suddenly take a P5 job and change his tune..

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(12-15-2021 07:40 AM)jones682 Wrote:  I would add Kennesaw State over UCA. Tarletion State does not have the budget to go FBS their budget is 7M

Tarleton State for my understanding is part of the A&M branch of Texas Schools so they have access to a ton of money, they already green-lighted the expansion of their Stadium 20k and are fast-tracking to move up to FBS.
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(12-15-2021 07:05 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 07:40 AM)jones682 Wrote:  I would add Kennesaw State over UCA. Tarletion State does not have the budget to go FBS their budget is 7M

Tarleton State for my understanding is part of the A&M branch of Texas Schools so they have access to a ton of money, they already green-lighted the expansion of their Stadium 20k and are fast-tracking to move up to FBS.
Yeah but their sports teams really suck and they have as many fans as SHSU.
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(12-14-2021 08:06 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  8Somewhat of an outsider approach but I do agree that even numbers is a better solution then 9.

What?

Why?
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(12-15-2021 07:59 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(12-14-2021 08:06 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  8Somewhat of an outsider approach but I do agree that even numbers is a better solution then 9.

What?

Why?

Even Divisons for a Conference Championship Game, also creates familiarity and rivalry with the teams in your own division
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(12-15-2021 08:18 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  
(12-15-2021 07:59 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(12-14-2021 08:06 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  8Somewhat of an outsider approach but I do agree that even numbers is a better solution then 9.

What?

Why?

Even Divisons for a Conference Championship Game, also creates familiarity and rivalry with the teams in your own division


Hmm. Interesting.

In my view 10 is so much worse than 9.

You either have to give up an OOC game to play round robin or you have to miss a school every year. Neither is good (well, nobody other than UTEP/NMSU and MTSU/WKU would really care about missing any other school, but it's bad from a competitive standpoint when you could have round robin instead).

And you don't really have divisions with 10. You're not playing anyone any more often with 10 than with 9.

And you have to split the tiny pie another way.

The only advantage I could see is basketball scheduling, and that's hardly insurmountable.

I'd rather have 8 than 10. But 9 is probably better than 8.

The only reason to add another school at this point would be if they could move the needle on tv money enough to contribute more than they'd take. Nobody on any of these posts does that.

If a team leaves, we need to consider a replacement. If 2 teams leave, we have to find at least one replacement. Until then, 9 ought to be the cap.


If you meant 12, I agree that that's usually the second best number of teams (after 9). But in the case of this CUSA the fewer teams the better.
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I don't think adding one splits the pie more ways so each of us get less. In fact, the current CFP payout is $1 million per school up to $10 million total so any amount over 10 schools (assuming an even split of the CFP pie) would split the pie further but up to 10 is irrelevant. Our future media partner(s) may pay us more per school for the right tenth school which leads to more inventory and better TV match ups for them. We may not want who they want so that will have to be weighted but new members aren't necessarily more mouths to feed.

Missouri State is my first choice for #10. They have the best blend of brand potential, football and basketball performance, and geography. They are unlikely to accept so my second choice would be Stephen F. Austin. A western school is a higher priority (and arguably a better addition in a vacuum) than a travel partner for Liberty (such as North Carolina A&T). Perhaps SFA has the basketball strength to persuade MSU into joining in the future.
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