You can look at 50 different ranking sites....

the only one carrying any weight is NET rankings. All the other are just to point out to someone else, we are not as bad as the NET rankings makes us out to be. Part of the job of a coach is to figure out how to work the NET rankings to make your team look the best.

Some coaches understand this and some dont and some just too set in their ways to give a damn. But it is important, just as the RPI was before the NET rankings. Most years Western's style of play is not going to fit the NET rankings "style points" and Stansbury does not understand it or how to make it work for his team. Well actually he's most likely just too set in his ways to change or give a damn.

(12-15-2021 10:59 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  You can look at 50 different ranking sites....

the only one carrying any weight is NET rankings. All the other are just to point out to someone else, we are not as bad as the NET rankings makes us out to be. Part of the job of a coach is to figure out how to work the NET rankings to make your team look the best.

Some coaches understand this and some dont and some just too set in their ways to give a damn. But it is important, just as the RPI was before the NET rankings. Most years Western's style of play is not going to fit the NET rankings "style points" and Stansbury does not understand it or how to make it work for his team. Well actually he's most likely just too set in his ways to change or give a damn.

The purpose was to give a wholistic idea of where each team actually stands. Given the oddities and quirks of the early NET rankings (Wyoming top 20/Chattanooga top 30/Kentucky 53), I figured it was useful to use the best analytics sites to determine the true indications of a good team. Why you went on a Stans tangent is beyond me. Kenpom is used by EVERY coaching staff in the country when scouting opponents to find their weaknesses. His site is routinely the best metric to determine outcomes and true team values. I'm sure you'll be on here killing him after we beat Louisville Saturday saying "Louisville just isn't a good team - our style of play still sucks" etc.

(12-15-2021 09:36 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Still early, but NET rankings thru 12.14. My goal is to update this two or three times a week.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
UAB 34
Louisiana Tech 86
North Texas 97
Middle Tenn. 100
Marshall 146
Western Ky. 148
UTEP 168
FIU 169
Rice 193
Charlotte 204
Fla. Atlantic 208
Old Dominion 240
UTSA 298
Southern Miss. 318
Average 172
NET this early isn't real meaningful yet, but interesting that the bottom 7 are all leaving. Addition by subtraction for the new CUSA so far.

Future CUSA
New Mexico St. 84
Louisiana Tech 86
Middle Tenn. 100
Western Ky. 148
Liberty 156
UTEP 168
FIU 169
Jacksonville St. 206
Sam Houston 289
Average 156

G5 average comps based on future conference affiliations:
MWC 114
CUSA 156
AAC 164
SBC 198
MAC 199

Average NET variance between the current and future conference affiliations.
AAC drops <39> spots
CUSA rises 16 spots
SBC relatively flat raising 2 spots

Here is what I am confused about with the NET rankings. I am using Charlotte for example because that is who I follow.

Charlotte has the best win in the conference according to the NET rankings (Monmouth: NET 44). Charlotte's worst loss is against Drexel who is NET:195. Charlotte has the 4th toughest out of conference schedule in CUSA. Yet, Charlotte has a NET of 204.

They are below Marshall (Best win: NET 205; Worst loss: NET 211; SOS: 11th in conference), FIU (Best win: NET 157; Worst Loss: NET 207; SOS: 13th in conference) and Rice (Best win: NET 256; Worst Loss: NET 173; SOS: 10th in conference)

(12-13-2021 12:31 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-12-2021 02:40 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 12:03 PM)DawgsWin Wrote:  La Tech still has a neutral game vs LSU that I bet we'll win. It'll be a Shreveport home crowd and our superbowl. If we win that, we'll be right in the thick of the at large convo's

I don't know about that. I would love for that to happen, but this is the kind of game were missing Crawford is going to be huge. If Tech can keep it within 10 that would probably be about the best/most realistic outcome.

LSU is really good this year. You never know, maybe Tech can pull out the upset, I hope so. I plan on being there and hope it's a good crowd.

Any UAB fans that go to the Independence Bowl please swing by the Brookshire Grocery Arena in Bossier after the bowl game and help cheer for your conference mates!

Yeah I don't think any UAB fan is ever going to cheer La Tech on.

I also don't think a win over LSU will get La Tech into an at large conversation. It would be a huge feather in the cap if they went something like 16-2 in conference, but that win alone likely won't be enough unless the CPU numbers drastically improve. Santa Clara is the only other win out of conference that could even be considered reasonable at this point.

LSU is #3 in the NET ranking and 10-0. That would most definitely be the best win for CUSA. If LSU maintains that NET ranking that most certainly will get Tech in the conversation as a at-Large.

LSU is really good this year so If Tech can keep it within 10 I will be surprised

(12-15-2021 11:17 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:59 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  You can look at 50 different ranking sites....

the only one carrying any weight is NET rankings. All the other are just to point out to someone else, we are not as bad as the NET rankings makes us out to be. Part of the job of a coach is to figure out how to work the NET rankings to make your team look the best.

Some coaches understand this and some dont and some just too set in their ways to give a damn. But it is important, just as the RPI was before the NET rankings. Most years Western's style of play is not going to fit the NET rankings "style points" and Stansbury does not understand it or how to make it work for his team. Well actually he's most likely just too set in his ways to change or give a damn.

The purpose was to give a wholistic idea of where each team actually stands. Given the oddities and quirks of the early NET rankings (Wyoming top 20/Chattanooga top 30/Kentucky 53), I figured it was useful to use the best analytics sites to determine the true indications of a good team. Why you went on a Stans tangent is beyond me. Kenpom is used by EVERY coaching staff in the country when scouting opponents to find their weaknesses. His site is routinely the best metric to determine outcomes and true team values. I'm sure you'll be on here killing him after we beat Louisville Saturday saying "Louisville just isn't a good team - our style of play still sucks" etc.

Stop trying to read what you want into a straight forward post. Its been very clear the style of ball Stansbury wants to play is not a style that gets you net ranking points. At this point that is not changing. Its also very clear UAB's new coach understands wins, blowout wins, over anyone is what moves you up in the net.

You will not find one word typed by me on any board where I said ANYTHING, good or bad, about one game this season. Why would I start after the UofL game? Yes, most fans understands Stansbury's style of play does suck and stuck back in the early 2000s. At this point you accept that because Stansbury is at a stage where, he's not changing it. At the end of the day the only rating the NCAA is looking at is the NET. Not any of those other 4 or 5 you listed to show "Western isnt as bad as the net shows"

BTW since you want to call me out for something I did not say. Let me ask you something you was quick to say when Zoin signed...

Will the kid ever play a minute at Western? Getting a kid to sign a LOI is only one step. Like I said a year ago, maybe longer. When the kid checks into a game (at Western) then and only then will it become important. You seem to have that backwards.

(12-15-2021 12:00 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:31 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-12-2021 02:40 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 12:03 PM)DawgsWin Wrote:  La Tech still has a neutral game vs LSU that I bet we'll win. It'll be a Shreveport home crowd and our superbowl. If we win that, we'll be right in the thick of the at large convo's

I don't know about that. I would love for that to happen, but this is the kind of game were missing Crawford is going to be huge. If Tech can keep it within 10 that would probably be about the best/most realistic outcome.

LSU is really good this year. You never know, maybe Tech can pull out the upset, I hope so. I plan on being there and hope it's a good crowd.

Any UAB fans that go to the Independence Bowl please swing by the Brookshire Grocery Arena in Bossier after the bowl game and help cheer for your conference mates!

Yeah I don't think any UAB fan is ever going to cheer La Tech on.

I also don't think a win over LSU will get La Tech into an at large conversation. It would be a huge feather in the cap if they went something like 16-2 in conference, but that win alone likely won't be enough unless the CPU numbers drastically improve. Santa Clara is the only other win out of conference that could even be considered reasonable at this point.

LSU is #3 in the NET ranking and 10-0. That would most definitely be the best win for CUSA. If LSU maintains that NET ranking that most certainly will get Tech in the conversation as a at-Large.

LSU is really good this year so If Tech can keep it within 10 I will be surprised

Not hating on LaTech or anything but… we saw WKU take down a top 10 NET Alabama in Tuscaloosa last year. Hell would have to freeze over before CUSA got a second bid

(12-15-2021 11:50 AM)Dowless Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 09:36 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Still early, but NET rankings thru 12.14. My goal is to update this two or three times a week.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
UAB 34
Louisiana Tech 86
North Texas 97
Middle Tenn. 100
Marshall 146
Western Ky. 148
UTEP 168
FIU 169
Rice 193
Charlotte 204
Fla. Atlantic 208
Old Dominion 240
UTSA 298
Southern Miss. 318
Average 172
NET this early isn't real meaningful yet, but interesting that the bottom 7 are all leaving. Addition by subtraction for the new CUSA so far.

Future CUSA
New Mexico St. 84
Louisiana Tech 86
Middle Tenn. 100
Western Ky. 148
Liberty 156
UTEP 168
FIU 169
Jacksonville St. 206
Sam Houston 289
Average 156

G5 average comps based on future conference affiliations:
MWC 114
CUSA 156
AAC 164
SBC 198
MAC 199

Average NET variance between the current and future conference affiliations.
AAC drops <39> spots
CUSA rises 16 spots
SBC relatively flat raising 2 spots

Here is what I am confused about with the NET rankings. I am using Charlotte for example because that is who I follow.

Charlotte has the best win in the conference according to the NET rankings (Monmouth: NET 44). Charlotte's worst loss is against Drexel who is NET:195. Charlotte has the 4th toughest out of conference schedule in CUSA. Yet, Charlotte has a NET of 204.

They are below Marshall (Best win: NET 205; Worst loss: NET 211; SOS: 11th in conference), FIU (Best win: NET 157; Worst Loss: NET 207; SOS: 13th in conference) and Rice (Best win: NET 256; Worst Loss: NET 173; SOS: 10th in conference)

Offensive and Defensive Efficiency are also supposedly a big part of the NET formula.

(12-15-2021 01:39 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:00 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:31 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-12-2021 02:40 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-09-2021 12:03 PM)DawgsWin Wrote:  La Tech still has a neutral game vs LSU that I bet we'll win. It'll be a Shreveport home crowd and our superbowl. If we win that, we'll be right in the thick of the at large convo's

I don't know about that. I would love for that to happen, but this is the kind of game were missing Crawford is going to be huge. If Tech can keep it within 10 that would probably be about the best/most realistic outcome.

LSU is really good this year. You never know, maybe Tech can pull out the upset, I hope so. I plan on being there and hope it's a good crowd.

Any UAB fans that go to the Independence Bowl please swing by the Brookshire Grocery Arena in Bossier after the bowl game and help cheer for your conference mates!

Yeah I don't think any UAB fan is ever going to cheer La Tech on.

I also don't think a win over LSU will get La Tech into an at large conversation. It would be a huge feather in the cap if they went something like 16-2 in conference, but that win alone likely won't be enough unless the CPU numbers drastically improve. Santa Clara is the only other win out of conference that could even be considered reasonable at this point.

LSU is #3 in the NET ranking and 10-0. That would most definitely be the best win for CUSA. If LSU maintains that NET ranking that most certainly will get Tech in the conversation as a at-Large.

LSU is really good this year so If Tech can keep it within 10 I will be surprised

Not hating on LaTech or anything but… we saw WKU take down a top 10 NET Alabama in Tuscaloosa last year. Hell would have to freeze over before CUSA got a second bid

Agreed. UAB will end up with one quad 2 win at St Louis and possibly another quad 2 win if they can take down WVU at home. They will only be able to lose 1 or 2 conference games to get an auto bid and would still be a long shot. So far they've played 3 top 100 teams and lost to 2 of them.

I don't think an auto bid will happen this season. La. Tech lost to NC State and that was NC State's only win against a team above .500. UAB's loss to South Carolina won't look good at the end of the year. They will need to beat WVU and they have a 3 game road stretch in conference against La. Tech, WKU, and Marshall that will be tough. N. Texas on 1/6 will be tough as well.

LSU is #3 in the rankings that are use to determine the NCAA tournament.

LSU has good shot of maintaining that ranking especially with their schedule.


A win of top 5 NET school would be huge combine with 15-3 or better record would definitely get Tech in the conversation of at-large.


I seriously doubt Tech can pull this upset off anyway, LSU is really good this year and one the favorites [/i]to win the SEC

Has CUSA had top 5 NET win? I doubt it

Time to make history Bulldogs

An at-large bid would be difficult considering CUSA is only 1-12 (so far) against quad 1 opponents.

(12-12-2021 01:59 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  It's still early, but here they are as of 12.11. My goal is to update this every Sunday.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

UAB 29
North Texas 89
Louisiana Tech 94
Middle Tenn. 99
Marshall 150
Western Ky. 159
FIU 172
Rice 189
Charlotte 203
Fla. Atlantic 211
Old Dominion 237
UTEP 238
UTSA 300
Southern Miss. 306
Average 177

G5 average comps based on future conference affiliations:
MWC 114
AAC 166 (drops to 183 if Wichita and Memphis is excluded)
CUSA 167
MAC 198
SBC 208

Like I said the MWC has become the new #P6 in football and basketball.

Surprising that the new CUSA will rank higher the new AAC.

The AAC will be fighting over 2nd and 3rd in the G5 ranks in Football and Basketball

(12-15-2021 05:26 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Has CUSA had top 5 NET win? I doubt it

Time to make history Bulldogs

Likely not. Bama finished 8th in the NET last year when the tops beat them on the road. I got to watch LSU play before the WKU/Ole Miss game last Saturday. I think they are beatable if Lofton has a field day. Go bulldogs.

With NMSU's win over Washington State last night, they moved up 18 spots in the NET to #62.

(12-16-2021 10:36 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  With NMSU's win over Washington State last night, they moved up 18 spots in the NET to #62.

Nice win Aggies.

CUSA off loaded some really bad programs FAU, UTSA to the AAC and added a couple strong programs NMSU.

The new CUSA has higher NET avg than the AAC, Sunbelt and MAC

(12-16-2021 08:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 10:36 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  With NMSU's win over Washington State last night, they moved up 18 spots in the NET to #62.

Nice win Aggies.

CUSA off loaded some really bad programs FAU, UTSA to the AAC and added a couple strong programs NMSU.

The new CUSA has higher NET avg than the AAC, Sunbelt and MAC

Often in conference realignment, it feels like all the good teams just left, when a new team (NMSU in this case) joins. But in future CUSA, most of the horrible teams are leaving, and quite a good number of the better teams are the ones staying. Exciting change from the usual move into a depleted conference.

(12-15-2021 05:35 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  An at-large bid would be difficult considering CUSA is only 1-12 (so far) against quad 1 opponents.

It's already over, CUSA will be a one-bid league again this year.

Either one team in the conference has to be super good, not win the auto-bid by losing in the championship game, and then slip in as an at-large, or the whole league has to be a whole lot better. Neither is happening this year.

Still early, but NET rankings thru 12.16. My goal is to update this two or three times a week.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
UAB 33
Louisiana Tech 88
North Texas 96
Middle Tenn. 117
Western Ky. 143
UTEP 160
Marshall 162
Rice 168
FIU 176
Charlotte 202
Fla. Atlantic 213
Old Dominion 239
UTSA 294
Southern Miss. 319
Average 172

Future CUSA
New Mexico St. 62
Louisiana Tech 88
Middle Tenn. 117
Western Ky. 143
Liberty 157
UTEP 160
FIU 176
Jacksonville St. 178
Sam Houston 285
Average 152

The new CUSA goes from 4 teams in the 200's and one in the 300's to just one in the 200's. Addition by subtraction.

G5 average comps based on future conference affiliations:
MWC 112
CUSA 152
AAC 162
MAC 196
SBC 198

Average NET variance between the current and future conference membership:
AAC drops <39> spots
CUSA rises 20 spots
SBC is unchanged

(12-17-2021 07:40 AM)Tech80 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 05:35 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  An at-large bid would be difficult considering CUSA is only 1-12 (so far) against quad 1 opponents.

It's already over, CUSA will be a one-bid league again this year.

Either one team in the conference has to be super good, not win the auto-bid by losing in the championship game, and then slip in as an at-large, or the whole league has to be a whole lot better. Neither is happening this year.

Agreed however the good news is that the four quad 4 loses in CUSA this season (so far) are from teams leaving CUSA (FAU, ODU, USM x 2) and hopefully future CUSA bids will get a better seed for a better chance to advance in March for more NCAA tourney credits with fewer mouths to feed.