Quote:Consider a different case: If I release a murderer from prison, knowing full well that he intends to kill innocent people, then I bear some responsibility for those deaths — even though the killer is also fully responsible. My having released him doesn’t make him less responsible (he did it!). But his doing it doesn’t eliminate my responsibility either.

Something similar is true, I think, when it comes to having children: Once my daughter is an autonomous agent, she will be responsible for her emissions. But that doesn’t negate my responsibility. Moral responsibility simply isn’t mathematical.

If you buy this view of responsibility, you might eventually admit that having many children is wrong, or at least morally suspect, for standard environmental reasons: Having a child imposes high emissions on the world, while the parents get the benefit. So like with any high-cost luxury, we should limit our indulgence.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/sc...ncna820781

Great, except for one small detail, having kids is integral to propagating our species. Birth rates are already declining across the globe anyway.

I for one hope that all leftists stop having children. I agree it is good for the world.

The number of people on the planet is irrelevant to our ability to protect the environment. If we re-arranged the Earth's population into cities the size of New York City, most of the planet would be wild and uninhabited.

Well—-here ya go lefties. I'll direct you towards virtually any Peter Zeihan video on YouTube. The demographics of a shrinking population for the developed world is already well underway. In fact, it’s so baked into the cake at this point it’s impossible to stop. We are headed toward a period of decreasing population—and in many places that population decrease will be in the 40 percent range or larger. For this reason alone---some economies are in for extended period of economic contraction.

(12-05-2021 07:41 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The number of people on the planet is irrelevant to our ability to protect the environment. If we re-arranged the Earth's population into cities the size of New York City, most of the planet would be wild and uninhabited.

I read somewhere that if you constructed a super city with the density of Hong Kong, you could put every human on the planet within the borders of Texas.

With that noted, we do have a population problem in that many nations can’t self sustain due to their climates and/or their lack of technology. This over stresses places like the US because we end up over producing food to feed them.

LOL, so to protect the planet for future generations we should just stop having future generations, but then there will be no one left to enjoy the pristine planet. Definitely liberal logic applied there, but then again this is the part of the population that feels more strongly about animal welfare than that of unborn children.

I propose that all lefties who subscribe to this belief should lead by example and quit reproducing immediately. That should save a few trees, and it'll leave the planet a better place for the rest of us.

(12-05-2021 07:09 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I for one hope that all leftists stop having children. I agree it is good for the world.

I concur...we need less emssions from Leftist @$$es and mouths....oops, those are the same thing for a Leftist.

"We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these ******* people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the ******* planet? I'm getting tired of that ****. Tired of that ****. I'm tired of ******* Earth Day, I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a **** about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me. Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are ******. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun? The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference?" - George Carlin, "Jammin' in New York" (1992)

(12-05-2021 05:54 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

Quote:Consider a different case: If I release a murderer from prison, knowing full well that he intends to kill innocent people, then I bear some responsibility for those deaths — even though the killer is also fully responsible. My having released him doesn’t make him less responsible (he did it!). But his doing it doesn’t eliminate my responsibility either.

Something similar is true, I think, when it comes to having children: Once my daughter is an autonomous agent, she will be responsible for her emissions. But that doesn’t negate my responsibility. Moral responsibility simply isn’t mathematical.

If you buy this view of responsibility, you might eventually admit that having many children is wrong, or at least morally suspect, for standard environmental reasons: Having a child imposes high emissions on the world, while the parents get the benefit. So like with any high-cost luxury, we should limit our indulgence.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/sc...ncna820781

I think this is a great idea. I suggest we let the Progressives test out this initiative for the next 30 years and see how it goes…

(12-06-2021 10:06 AM)No2rdame Wrote:  LOL, so to protect the planet for future generations we should just stop having future generations, but then there will be no one left to enjoy the pristine planet. Definitely liberal logic applied there, but then again this is the part of the population that feels more strongly about animal welfare than that of unborn children.

I propose that all lefties who subscribe to this belief should lead by example and quit reproducing immediately. That should save a few trees, and it'll leave the planet a better place for the rest of us.

Better yet. Rather than trying to eliminate their contribution by proxy, i.e. by ending their propagation, they should eliminate their own real-time contribution. Why won't they walk the walk?

If persons are harming the planet, and you're a person you should end your ability to do further harm.

Or shut up.

I endorse this. All tree huggers should not have children.

(12-06-2021 02:37 PM)b2b Wrote:  I endorse this. All tree huggers should not have children.

Talk about a long term political play for conservatives.....

(12-06-2021 02:27 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-06-2021 10:06 AM)No2rdame Wrote:  LOL, so to protect the planet for future generations we should just stop having future generations, but then there will be no one left to enjoy the pristine planet. Definitely liberal logic applied there, but then again this is the part of the population that feels more strongly about animal welfare than that of unborn children.

I propose that all lefties who subscribe to this belief should lead by example and quit reproducing immediately. That should save a few trees, and it'll leave the planet a better place for the rest of us.

Better yet. Rather than trying to eliminate their contribution by proxy, i.e. by ending their propagation, they should eliminate their own real-time contribution. Why won't they walk the walk?

If persons are harming the planet, and you're a person you should end your ability to do further harm.

Or shut up.

You no understand. They want YOU to quit propagating.

I agree with you. They should set a great example for the rest of the sheep and off themselves NOW. This is like how the jihadists get people all riled up to go kill their enemies while the leaders slink away. That dying stuff is for other people, not themselves.

If I ever hear another leftist spewing this kind of garbage I'm likely going to tell them I can't take their concerns seriously until they lead by example.

(12-06-2021 02:27 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-06-2021 10:06 AM)No2rdame Wrote:  LOL, so to protect the planet for future generations we should just stop having future generations, but then there will be no one left to enjoy the pristine planet. Definitely liberal logic applied there, but then again this is the part of the population that feels more strongly about animal welfare than that of unborn children.

I propose that all lefties who subscribe to this belief should lead by example and quit reproducing immediately. That should save a few trees, and it'll leave the planet a better place for the rest of us.

Better yet. Rather than trying to eliminate their contribution by proxy, i.e. by ending their propagation, they should eliminate their own real-time contribution. Why won't they walk the walk?

If persons are harming the planet, and you're a person you should end your ability to do further harm.

Or shut up.

I just read a thread about 3D printed suicides it sounds fun. Try it, you'll like it and be a good human for the planet my dear Progs.