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(12-22-2021 09:33 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  The entire Tulsa O-Line was from either TX or OK. And most of the DL was as well. They don't have to travel very far to find some big boys.

Just for a little clarity, it's a 495 mile drive if a Tulsa coach is going to scout a lineman in Houston.

(12-22-2021 11:40 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 09:33 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  The entire Tulsa O-Line was from either TX or OK. And most of the DL was as well. They don't have to travel very far to find some big boys.

Just for a little clarity, it's a 495 mile drive if a Tulsa coach is going to scout a lineman in Houston.

We are the youngest team in FBS. That was the difference between their oline and our dline.

The game performed pretty well in the overnight ratings for ESPN in Hampton Roads. 1.59 average rating or average HHs of 9,735 tuning in. Not bad for a Monday afternoon.

(12-22-2021 11:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 11:40 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 09:33 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  The entire Tulsa O-Line was from either TX or OK. And most of the DL was as well. They don't have to travel very far to find some big boys.

Just for a little clarity, it's a 495 mile drive if a Tulsa coach is going to scout a lineman in Houston.

We are the youngest team in FBS. That was the difference between their oline and our dline.

For sure! I am not a huge size matters guy, but I feel it did make a difference in this game. Especially late in the game. If you look at our past 2 games-- Charlotte had 4 Seniors on their OL, but were almost 70lbs lighter than Tulsa as a group. Tulsa had 4 sophomores (3 of them RS Soph), but their lightest guy was actually their Grad Senior at 297.

Tulsa was just big team in the trenches.

The good news for us is that our young bucks on the DL are not going to get any smaller!!

(12-21-2021 05:44 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  Great time at the game. Great atmosphere. Monarchs were loud and proud. I counted about five plays before the final drive that were the game.
1. Davis facemask call in 2Q
2. Interception on the ball to Koontz - 2Q
3. 1st drive of the second half (run the stinking ball) - play calling was terrible
4. Jennings fumble, too lackadaisical after the catch, at 13 minute mark of 4Q (Ball game)
5. 1st play from scrimmage after we scored the TD
But we were playing with house money from my perspective. What a ride.

1. It was a stiff arm to the face mask, something we see a million times in games and doesn’t get called. But because his helmet came off they called it.

2. He needs use his height to high point and win those 50/50 balls.

4. I don’t know if lackadaisical is the right term, but he does need to be aware that a defender could come from anywhere at any time. I certainly don’t think he let up like some were saying.

I also think Tulsa got in our heads a little. There was a lot of trash talking, getting in faces and some pushing and shoving and we responded. I think a little more focus on the business at hand would have helped. But their linemen were tough.

(12-21-2021 06:45 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 06:43 PM)bigblue78 Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 05:48 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  84...I'll add one more play.

First quarter, first offensive drive, with the game tied at 7. We have 3rd and 5 at the Tulsa 24. Wolff has a wide open Watson in the flat. He would have easily been inside the 15, if not the 10 and had the first down. Wolff throws the ball behind Watson, Blake can't real it in, and we end up missing the FG. Had that pass been completed, I fully believe we punch it in for a touchdown on that drive and go up 14-7.

When I watched the replay, my impression was that Wolf saw the breakdown in the defense and threw the ball upfield of Watson (potential TD), who unfortunately turned the opposite way as the safety valve option (probably option 1 as the play is drawn, but not recognizing or responding to the defensive lapse) in case the protection broke down or the receivers weren't open.

Haven't watched the replay yet, but you may be right. Either way, it was a big missed opportunity.

Yeah, I thought it looked like he was trying to lead him upfield but Watson wasn’t ready for it or was turned the wrong way. He had so much space he just needed to put it on him and make it an easy catch.

Watson ran the correct route. Wolff was just inaccurate. If he hit him, Watson gets the first down.

(12-22-2021 12:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Watson ran the correct route. Wolff was just inaccurate. If he hit him, Watson gets the first down.

This is correct. Rahne said on radio that play was one he knows Wolff wants back.

Texas A&M pulling out of Gator Bowl vs Wake Forest---LET'S PLAY AGAIN!

*searches for flights to Jacksonville, just in case*

(12-22-2021 12:37 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 05:44 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  Great time at the game. Great atmosphere. Monarchs were loud and proud. I counted about five plays before the final drive that were the game.
1. Davis facemask call in 2Q
2. Interception on the ball to Koontz - 2Q
3. 1st drive of the second half (run the stinking ball) - play calling was terrible
4. Jennings fumble, too lackadaisical after the catch, at 13 minute mark of 4Q (Ball game)
5. 1st play from scrimmage after we scored the TD
But we were playing with house money from my perspective. What a ride.

1. It was a stiff arm to the face mask, something we see a million times in games and doesn’t get called. But because his helmet came off they called it.

2. He needs use his height to high point and win those 50/50 balls.

4. I don’t know if lackadaisical is the right term, but he does need to be aware that a defender could come from anywhere at any time. I certainly don’t think he let up like some were saying.

I also think Tulsa got in our heads a little. There was a lot of trash talking, getting in faces and some pushing and shoving and we responded. I think a little more focus on the business at hand would have helped. But their linemen were tough.

1 - I understand, but watching the replay the stiff arm turned into grabbing the face mask which is a penalty
2 - Tulsa kid made a really good play, it happens
3 - Jennings never secured the ball the way they are taught. Even RR commented on that in the post game press conference

(12-22-2021 04:01 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 12:37 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 05:44 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  Great time at the game. Great atmosphere. Monarchs were loud and proud. I counted about five plays before the final drive that were the game.
1. Davis facemask call in 2Q
2. Interception on the ball to Koontz - 2Q
3. 1st drive of the second half (run the stinking ball) - play calling was terrible
4. Jennings fumble, too lackadaisical after the catch, at 13 minute mark of 4Q (Ball game)
5. 1st play from scrimmage after we scored the TD
But we were playing with house money from my perspective. What a ride.

1. It was a stiff arm to the face mask, something we see a million times in games and doesn’t get called. But because his helmet came off they called it.

2. He needs use his height to high point and win those 50/50 balls.

4. I don’t know if lackadaisical is the right term, but he does need to be aware that a defender could come from anywhere at any time. I certainly don’t think he let up like some were saying.

I also think Tulsa got in our heads a little. There was a lot of trash talking, getting in faces and some pushing and shoving and we responded. I think a little more focus on the business at hand would have helped. But their linemen were tough.

1 - I understand, but watching the replay the stiff arm turned into grabbing the face mask which is a penalty
2 - Tulsa kid made a really good play, it happens
3 - Jennings never secured the ball the way they are taught. Even RR commented on that in the post game press conference

I agree with all of that. I just wonder if they still would have called it if the helmet didn't come off. And yes, that was an amazing defensive play on the pass to Kuntz but I don't think it would have happened if Kuntz went up for it instead of waiting for it to come down to him. And with Jennings, that was the point I was making. Secure the ball.

The rule should be changed to be made clear and simple. No player, offense or defense or special teams can put hands on a facemask- even if a stiff-arm. Only a matter of time before someone sustains a serious neck injury. Maybe a 5 yard spot of foul penalty instead of a personal foul since much of it can be incidental contact.

It didnt seem like Davis grabbed the facemask but if he did, its a penalty.

Kuntz has to use his height better. He has a tendency to be soft,
He needs to use his size better.

Jennings just didnt realize the guy was behind him. Unfortunately it happens, happened to the WFT last night too.

Kuntz needs to get with a basketball coach. Teach him how to use his body and size to post up his defender. If he can get stronger going after the ball, he absolutely has NFL potential.

(12-22-2021 04:29 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  The rule should be changed to be made clear and simple. No player, offense or defense or special teams can put hands on a facemask- even if a stiff-arm. Only a matter of time before someone sustains a serious neck injury. Maybe a 5 yard spot of foul penalty instead of a personal foul since much of it can be incidental contact.

It can get complicated if you are asking the refs to interpret intent. I think the vast majority of facemask penalties are incidental. That and targeting, and you can probably add hands to the face also. I wish they could figure out better ways to regulate those penalties. I know it's for safety but those penalties are rough. Nobody holds by mistake and those are only 5 or 10 yard penalties. But if the ball carrier lowers his head while you are aiming for his legs and helmets meet you get kicked out of the game and no foul on the ball carrier.

I've just got one thing to say... Tulsa is for real but our guys beat themselves... If we apply the lessons learned in this game, we will beat UVa and Tech handily to start he season...

Yes... I am drinking...

(12-22-2021 05:27 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  I've just got one thing to say... Tulsa is for real but our guys beat themselves... If we apply the lessons learned in this game, we will beat UVa and Tech handily to start he season...

Yes... I am drinking...

I think we go into next year still playing with house money. I would be happy with 2-2 after the first four games.

Damn proud of this team -- sucks to lose a bowl game, but six wins in Rahne's first season is the real prize. If the effort and energy we saw during the second half of the season is any indication of the program's direction, I think I'll be happy with next year's results. Sticking with my initial "hot take" from the beginning: 6 wins in Year Two. If Rahne & company +3 me again, sounds like a steak and cigars kind of season. The future is bright!

Been a long time since I last used this one, but here's my 2021 FB season summary gif:

Tulsa and Wake were the only games I thought we were undersized and getting worked in the trenches. Most of the CUSA games felt we matched up ok.