(12-06-2021 09:06 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 12:14 PM)wpyoung78 Wrote:  You are right, an Antonio Anderson would do the trick as well. That’s what I thought Quinones would provide. Really need him to embrace that type leadership role.

That is just not Lester's personality. I actually think that Duren has that type of personality but that is a monumental ask of a freshman, especially if there is already a divide with the upperclassman.

It seemed like last year Deandre played this role and I expected him to be that type of leader again this year but he seems more focused on beating his chest and flexing than actually leading...

All good points

(12-05-2021 08:00 PM)mapdude Wrote:  I seem to recall stories about Antonio grabbing some of the trouble makers by the throat and putting them up against the wall and reading them the riot act. He was the enforcer and took control of the locker room. Was it Sean Williams her jerked a knot in?

I thought that was OG?

We need Spoon's backpack.

We need a Detric Golden. Omar was great, but without Detric his Sr year, he looked average. We are missing a floor general that leads the team and can deliver the right pass. If we have that, all these other guys perform better.

(12-05-2021 12:14 PM)wpyoung78 Wrote:  You are right, an Antonio Anderson would do the trick as well. That’s what I thought Quinones would provide. Really need him to embrace that type leadership role.

That's the most disappointing to me out of the 3 SUPPOSED vet players who aren't helping out. Nolley & Williams don't surprise me - I really thought Lester would be one to tune out the noise and focus on doing what's needed to help the team improve.

(12-06-2021 11:51 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 12:14 PM)wpyoung78 Wrote:  You are right, an Antonio Anderson would do the trick as well. That’s what I thought Quinones would provide. Really need him to embrace that type leadership role.

That's the most disappointing to me out of the 3 SUPPOSED vet players who aren't helping out. Nolley & Williams don't surprise me - I really thought Lester would be one to tune out the noise and focus on doing what's needed to help the team improve.

If Penny would keep them on the floor, we'd know whether the vets are really a problem or a problem caused by the constant rotation/substitution pattern of they pastured longer stretches. Nolley was always streaky, 4 pts one half, 15-20 the next. But he has to be in the floor to know.

(12-06-2021 11:51 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 12:14 PM)wpyoung78 Wrote:  You are right, an Antonio Anderson would do the trick as well. That’s what I thought Quinones would provide. Really need him to embrace that type leadership role.

That's the most disappointing to me out of the 3 SUPPOSED vet players who aren't helping out. Nolley & Williams don't surprise me - I really thought Lester would be one to tune out the noise and focus on doing what's needed to help the team improve.

#EffortLes

(12-06-2021 01:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-06-2021 11:51 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 12:14 PM)wpyoung78 Wrote:  You are right, an Antonio Anderson would do the trick as well. That’s what I thought Quinones would provide. Really need him to embrace that type leadership role.

That's the most disappointing to me out of the 3 SUPPOSED vet players who aren't helping out. Nolley & Williams don't surprise me - I really thought Lester would be one to tune out the noise and focus on doing what's needed to help the team improve.

If Penny would keep them on the floor, we'd know whether the vets are really a problem or a problem caused by the constant rotation/substitution pattern of they pastured longer stretches. Nolley was always streaky, 4 pts one half, 15-20 the next. But he has to be in the floor to know.

I don't understand people crapping on Lester...

What is Lester not doing...

Still guarding,
Still rebounding,
Not taking a ton of shots...

He may be complaining...But if I am on the bench and you have a guy going out there going 1-10 and not playing defense...Then yeah...They should be.

I don't think they would have an issue with deferring to someone who is clearly better than them. But I don't think they feel that is the case. Seems like they feel the best player mantle was not earned...And best on what I see I agree.

How do we know Lester is not being a leader/showing leadership? From a coach who refuses to take responsibility for his own locker room and can’t recognize that playing your starters together for 4 MINUTES THE ENTIRE GAME TOGETHER and NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM!?

(12-06-2021 09:43 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 08:00 PM)mapdude Wrote:  I seem to recall stories about Antonio grabbing some of the trouble makers by the throat and putting them up against the wall and reading them the riot act. He was the enforcer and took control of the locker room. Was it Sean Williams her jerked a knot in?

I thought that was OG?

OG was the one that popped Sean Banks. He hit him so hard he knocked him off the team.

(12-07-2021 01:35 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(12-06-2021 09:43 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 08:00 PM)mapdude Wrote:  I seem to recall stories about Antonio grabbing some of the trouble makers by the throat and putting them up against the wall and reading them the riot act. He was the enforcer and took control of the locker room. Was it Sean Williams her jerked a knot in?

I thought that was OG?

OG was the one that popped Sean Banks. He hit him so hard he knocked him off the team.

i thought it was Barclay

(12-07-2021 03:34 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 01:35 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(12-06-2021 09:43 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 08:00 PM)mapdude Wrote:  I seem to recall stories about Antonio grabbing some of the trouble makers by the throat and putting them up against the wall and reading them the riot act. He was the enforcer and took control of the locker room. Was it Sean Williams her jerked a knot in?

I thought that was OG?

OG was the one that popped Sean Banks. He hit him so hard he knocked him off the team.

i thought it was Barclay

OG is Arthur Barclay.

(12-07-2021 04:54 PM)Bill83 Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 03:34 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 01:35 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(12-06-2021 09:43 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 08:00 PM)mapdude Wrote:  I seem to recall stories about Antonio grabbing some of the trouble makers by the throat and putting them up against the wall and reading them the riot act. He was the enforcer and took control of the locker room. Was it Sean Williams her jerked a knot in?

I thought that was OG?

OG was the one that popped Sean Banks. He hit him so hard he knocked him off the team.

i thought it was Barclay

OG is Arthur Barclay.

LOL--OK --I missed that I guess---sometimes it takes me awhileLOL

(12-06-2021 03:17 PM)450bench Wrote:  How do we know Lester is not being a leader/showing leadership? From a coach who refuses to take responsibility for his own locker room and can’t recognize that playing your starters together for 4 MINUTES THE ENTIRE GAME TOGETHER and NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM!?

Penny said the same thing last year and it got fixed. You can easily argue that the team wasn't well coached before Wichita, and was very well coached after Wichita.
I doubt Penny transformed from sucking as a coach, then became a good coach and now has reverted back to sucking as a coach, over a 22 game span.

A lot of people had the same criticisms last year, and it turned out to be 100% player driven. You can prove that the players were the problem when we were 6-5, and you can prove that the players were the solution when we finished 14-3.

Sometimes it is the coach, sometimes it is the players, sometimes it is both. For all of the griping about Penny's substitutions, we were a very well coached team that played hard the last 17 games of last season.

Before this year, Penny only had to deal with one blue chip recruit, but in 2019, Precious was the man, and we only played 7-8 players. Last year was a problem, but the players eventually bought it, probably because there were no freshman phenoms on the team.

It's a different ballgame this year. There is a very clear line between the veterans and the kids. Bates has taken twice the number of shots that LQ and Timberlake have. Duren is 2nd on the team in shot attempts. Bates for sure doesn't deserve more minutes than LQ or Nolley based on his play. Nolley and LQ are both sleepwalking out there.

The players are the ones that are going to have to figure it out. I understand that the coach is responsible, but if the coaching staff and the players see what is happening, I don't have any issues with Penny calling them out.

We know from the beginning of last season, and the beginning of this season, that the coaching staff is NOT teaching the players to play the way they are.

LQ has been my guy from day 1. But I am disappointed in his actions this year. None of us know what goes on in the locker room or practice. But when watching LQ on the floor, I have noticed he is never there to pick up Bates when he gets knocked down (which is a lot). And LQ used to be the first guy in to pick up a fallen teammate.

Also when Bates or Duren is at the line, after the first FT when the shooter walks into the lane for the customary daps from teammates, I've noticed LQ has a tendency to walk away and face the bench - like he's getting instruction when he really isn't. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I've noticed it.

I get that you might be hurt when more heralded players come in. And Penny & Staff have evidently not done a good job handling this. But at this point we need a leader to take the high road and put that stuff aside. That is what Penny means when he says he's disappointed in the vets about their lack of desire to win. No one is willing to put personal feelings aside so far. (Penny just leaves out the part that he let this get too far in the lockerroom to begin with.)

Germantown Tiger,
Ike can Bust a Jawbreaker

(12-05-2021 08:00 PM)mapdude Wrote:  I seem to recall stories about Antonio grabbing some of the trouble makers by the throat and putting them up against the wall and reading them the riot act. He was the enforcer and took control of the locker room. Was it Sean Williams her jerked a knot in?

Sean Williams? Wtf on every level.

(12-08-2021 04:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  LQ has been my guy from day 1. But I am disappointed in his actions this year. None of us know what goes on in the locker room or practice. But when watching LQ on the floor, I have noticed he is never there to pick up Bates when he gets knocked down (which is a lot). And LQ used to be the first guy in to pick up a fallen teammate.

Also when Bates or Duren is at the line, after the first FT when the shooter walks into the lane for the customary daps from teammates, I've noticed LQ has a tendency to walk away and face the bench - like he's getting instruction when he really isn't. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I've noticed it.

I get that you might be hurt when more heralded players come in. And Penny & Staff have evidently not done a good job handling this. But at this point we need a leader to take the high road and put that stuff aside. That is what Penny means when he says he's disappointed in the vets about their lack of desire to win. No one is willing to put personal feelings aside so far. (Penny just leaves out the part that he let this get too far in the lockerroom to begin with.)

LQ and Nolley look like they are sleep walking, but I can't blame them for being pissed.

2021
53.8 minutes
22.6 points
18.3 shot attempts

2022
45.0 minutes
12.4 points
16.7 shot attempts

Bates
26.6 minutes
11.5 points
9.8 shot attempts