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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-04-2021 03:15 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Does Lomax have a year of eligibility left??
Yep. And he will get tons of minutes with everyone else hitting the transfer portal. Even NIL money won’t bring them back.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-04-2021 08:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote: (12-04-2021 07:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote: (12-04-2021 06:30 PM)Atlanta Wrote: (12-04-2021 02:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote: that has been the lineup most of the 2nd half.
Have you finally seen the light?
To what light are you referring?
That Penny can't coach......
I do think he has serious management and leadership issues. He also doesn't truly believe in any concepts or players...If you believed in what you were doing or the guys playing for you, you would stick with them.
I say the above issues completely undermine his ability to be consistently successful...I don't think the concepts he is trying to employ are totally bad though.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 06:23 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote: (12-04-2021 03:15 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Does Lomax have a year of eligibility left??
Yep. And he will get tons of minutes with everyone else hitting the transfer portal. Even NIL money won’t bring them back.
Man I was afraid of that.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
Wow, who could've seen this coming. It's mind-boggling. I don't think I've ever seen a coach totally call out his team over and over again, sound so frustrated and angry, and look like he might have a mutiny on his hands. I would bet we see a rush of transfers sooner than later, and maybe that's a good thing at this point. The minutes and rotations just don't seem to make much sense, and despite what Penny has said, he doesn't seem to be instituting changes. Or if/when he does, he reverts to what he had been doing. He's obviously either losing the locker room or already lost it.
His comment about believing the Tigers would be undefeated if he played a certain five guys is crazy. If you truly believe that, DO IT!! Not following his heart on who gives you the best chance to win tells me he's trying to cater to feelings of others (which he also admitted). That will only get you beat and no one will be happy.
The players do have accountability, as well. Their job is to play at the highest level when called upon. It's hard to believe what Penny is saying about the veterans not being willing to help the young guys, but that's a shame if it's true to any degree.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-04-2021 06:35 PM)450bench Wrote: The starters played 4 total minutes together???? I’d that right?
That’s completely asinine
Seriously? That's some of the dumbest BS I've ever heard of. And didn't he just say recently he needed to shorten his bench and cut out all the crazy subbing? That lasted all of one game. Incidentally, in that game we committed 11 turnovers I think. Whatever the exact number was it was far fewer than we usually give up. He did it for one game and then went right back to the AAU crap.
It's beyond asinine.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 06:23 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote: (12-04-2021 03:15 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Does Lomax have a year of eligibility left??
Yep. And he will get tons of minutes with everyone else hitting the transfer portal. Even NIL money won’t bring them back.
Seriously, I could see Nolley, Quinones, Camden, Minott and maybe even Bates hitting the road.
I could see Nolly and LQ doing it as an EFF U for being cast aside and thrown under the bus multiple times. Camden, Minott and Bates may be looking for a coach who runs a real system and one where they don't have to compete with coach's pets who are largely ineffective.
Or I could not know jackshit and they all come back after ending this season on a high note. I have a feeling that's far less likely.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 09:05 AM)Hoots Wrote: Wow, who could've seen this coming. It's mind-boggling. I don't think I've ever seen a coach totally call out his team over and over again, sound so frustrated and angry, and look like he might have a mutiny on his hands. I would bet we see a rush of transfers sooner than later, and maybe that's a good thing at this point. The minutes and rotations just don't seem to make much sense, and despite what Penny has said, he doesn't seem to be instituting changes. Or if/when he does, he reverts to what he had been doing. He's obviously either losing the locker room or already lost it.
His comment about believing the Tigers would be undefeated if he played a certain five guys is crazy. If you truly believe that, DO IT!! Not following his heart on who gives you the best chance to win tells me he's trying to cater to feelings of others (which he also admitted). That will only get you beat and no one will be happy.
The players do have accountability, as well. Their job is to play at the highest level when called upon. It's hard to believe what Penny is saying about the veterans not being willing to help the young guys, but that's a shame if it's true to any degree.
Given that the young guys are all future NBA players where's the motivation to step aside and be a mentor to someone who is already likely making bank off NIL while I have been relegated to a secondary role?
Anyone who didn't see the potential pitfalls of trying to cater to every superstar ego on the team just didn't go into it with eyes wide open.
I sometimes wonder if Penny isn't more concerned with his image as that of a star maker than the success of the school and the team as a whole in terms of winning.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
and to think that Davion Warren de-commited from Memphis back on April after Tyler Harris announced he would be returning to Memphis.. We lost a nice combo guard who could defend and score.. He is doing well at Texas Tech averaging 12 pts so far this season.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
Yep, agreed.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 10:43 AM)passat25 Wrote: (12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
and to think that Davion Warren de-commited from Memphis back on April after Tyler Harris announced he would be returning to Memphis.. We lost a nice combo guard who could defend and score.. He is doing well at Texas Tech averaging 12 pts so far this season.
Yep. I was looking forward to watching him in tiger blue.
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How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
I don’t disagree about the Memphis kids, but they aren’t getting a boatload of minutes outside of A Lo. If Alex could get the TOs down, he’d be a serviceable PG. We’ll see if it lasts, but he’s been hitting shots (47% and 40% from 3).
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 12:01 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: (12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
I don’t disagree about the Memphis kids, but they aren’t getting a boatload of minutes outside of A Lo. If Alex could get the TOs down, he’d be a serviceable PG. We’ll see if it lasts, but he’s been hitting shots (47% and 40% from 3).
He is a senior, he isn't all of a sudden going to get his TOs down. It is who he is. One good play, 3 really bad plays, nothing is going to some how change. Also, his shooting percentages, while good, are not what they seem. He takes wide open shots, which is what you want, but if any other player on the team (outside of Dandridge) was getting wide open looks at 3 the same way ALo does, they would be hitting 70+% from 3. If ALo became some kind of scoring threat, teams would start playing him and that percentage would nose dive.
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How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 12:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (12-05-2021 12:01 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: (12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
I don’t disagree about the Memphis kids, but they aren’t getting a boatload of minutes outside of A Lo. If Alex could get the TOs down, he’d be a serviceable PG. We’ll see if it lasts, but he’s been hitting shots (47% and 40% from 3).
He is a senior, he isn't all of a sudden going to get his TOs down. It is who he is. One good play, 3 really bad plays, nothing is going to some how change. Also, his shooting percentages, while good, are not what they seem. He takes wide open shots, which is what you want, but if any other player on the team (outside of Dandridge) was getting wide open looks at 3 the same way ALo does, they would be hitting 70+% from 3. If ALo became some kind of scoring threat, teams would start playing him and that percentage would nose dive.
Is there a recommendation here? I didn’t say A Lo was a great player. Maybe he should have less minutes, but somebody has to play. Timberlake doesn’t look like a PG to me, but maybe he’ll prove me wrong. I’m unsure about Harris. He is a defensive liability, but the offense does seem to flow more naturally when he’s in.
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How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 12:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (12-05-2021 12:01 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: (12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
I don’t disagree about the Memphis kids, but they aren’t getting a boatload of minutes outside of A Lo. If Alex could get the TOs down, he’d be a serviceable PG. We’ll see if it lasts, but he’s been hitting shots (47% and 40% from 3).
He is a senior, he isn't all of a sudden going to get his TOs down. It is who he is. One good play, 3 really bad plays, nothing is going to some how change. Also, his shooting percentages, while good, are not what they seem. He takes wide open shots, which is what you want, but if any other player on the team (outside of Dandridge) was getting wide open looks at 3 the same way ALo does, they would be hitting 70+% from 3. If ALo became some kind of scoring threat, teams would start playing him and that percentage would nose dive.
And I’m all for calling out A Lo’s silly plays, but trying to minimize 40% from 3 is dumb. It doesn’t matter if he’s wide open or not. Don’t we want players taking open shots?? Don’t be ridiculous.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 12:01 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: (12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
I don’t disagree about the Memphis kids, but they aren’t getting a boatload of minutes outside of A Lo. If Alex could get the TOs down, he’d be a serviceable PG. We’ll see if it lasts, but he’s been hitting shots (47% and 40% from 3).
It’s year 4. Alo is what he is at this point. He will play a good half or two every 3 or 4 games then revert back to throwing the ball away. Same with Dandridge.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 12:23 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: (12-05-2021 12:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (12-05-2021 12:01 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: (12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
I don’t disagree about the Memphis kids, but they aren’t getting a boatload of minutes outside of A Lo. If Alex could get the TOs down, he’d be a serviceable PG. We’ll see if it lasts, but he’s been hitting shots (47% and 40% from 3).
He is a senior, he isn't all of a sudden going to get his TOs down. It is who he is. One good play, 3 really bad plays, nothing is going to some how change. Also, his shooting percentages, while good, are not what they seem. He takes wide open shots, which is what you want, but if any other player on the team (outside of Dandridge) was getting wide open looks at 3 the same way ALo does, they would be hitting 70+% from 3. If ALo became some kind of scoring threat, teams would start playing him and that percentage would nose dive.
And I’m all for calling out A Lo’s silly plays, but trying to minimize 40% from 3 is dumb. It doesn’t matter if he’s wide open or not. Don’t we want players taking open shots?? Don’t be ridiculous.
I guess you have issues reading or maybe you arent wearing your reading glasses so let me quote it for you...
He takes wide open shots, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT
so why would you say
Don't be ridiculous
as if I said the exact opposite.
But apparently you have convinced yourself that ALo is a pure scorer and can make those 3's at will. Which is completely insanely ridiculous.
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How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 01:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (12-05-2021 12:23 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: (12-05-2021 12:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (12-05-2021 12:01 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: (12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
I don’t disagree about the Memphis kids, but they aren’t getting a boatload of minutes outside of A Lo. If Alex could get the TOs down, he’d be a serviceable PG. We’ll see if it lasts, but he’s been hitting shots (47% and 40% from 3).
He is a senior, he isn't all of a sudden going to get his TOs down. It is who he is. One good play, 3 really bad plays, nothing is going to some how change. Also, his shooting percentages, while good, are not what they seem. He takes wide open shots, which is what you want, but if any other player on the team (outside of Dandridge) was getting wide open looks at 3 the same way ALo does, they would be hitting 70+% from 3. If ALo became some kind of scoring threat, teams would start playing him and that percentage would nose dive.
And I’m all for calling out A Lo’s silly plays, but trying to minimize 40% from 3 is dumb. It doesn’t matter if he’s wide open or not. Don’t we want players taking open shots?? Don’t be ridiculous.
I guess you have issues reading or maybe you arent wearing your reading glasses so let me quote it for you...
He takes wide open shots, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT
so why would you say
Don't be ridiculous
as if I said the exact opposite.
But apparently you have convinced yourself that ALo is a pure scorer and can make those 3's at will. Which is completely insanely ridiculous.
You said other players would shoot 70% from 3 if they got wide open looks. We can rip A Lo about a lot of things, but minimizing 40% shooting from 3 is illogical. There’s a decent chance he won’t keep that up over the course of the season, but he has shot the ball well as of late. No reason to rip on his shooting. Move on to Bates who takes terrible shots and was 1-10 the last game.
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RE: How can you expect to score when you play 4 non shooters together.
(12-05-2021 12:47 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote: (12-05-2021 12:01 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: (12-05-2021 10:34 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: (12-05-2021 09:59 AM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: It’s fairly simple.
Timberlake
Nolley
LQ
Minott
Duren
First in: Williams, Bates
These 7 need to be your leaders in minutes.
Let the starters play for more than 3 minutes before you sub (unless fouls, injury, etc.).
As for your backup PG and big, roll with Harris and Lawson.
The end.
Though this makes sense there is a zero percent chance Penny does this as that would mean his posse rides the pine.
No way does he sit Alo, Jayden or Dandridge.. as Penny cannot wait 5 minutes to put them into the game.
Penny's posse played 61 of the 200 minutes yesterday, and that's why we lost, but Penny is blind.
I don’t disagree about the Memphis kids, but they aren’t getting a boatload of minutes outside of A Lo. If Alex could get the TOs down, he’d be a serviceable PG. We’ll see if it lasts, but he’s been hitting shots (47% and 40% from 3).
It’s year 4. Alo is what he is at this point. He will play a good half or two every 3 or 4 games then revert back to throwing the ball away. Same with Dandridge.
The constant hysterical crapping on Lomax is beyond idiotic. Alo IS the same every year. He starts slow and finishes fast. He is actually starting to play better earlier this year.
In our 3 losses he is averaging 10 points, shooting 71% from the field, 3-3 from outside and 67% from the line. Him and Williams are the only ones playing well right now.
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