Sort of OT, but it's football, just not college football.

So, Washington's kicker was injured last night and the team that used to be known as the Redskins scored a touchdown and elected to go for 2 because said kicker was injured. They fumbled the ball and Seattle returned it for 2 points.

What the hell were they calling that? I never heard them say. A safety?

The kick was blocked I thought. The return play was a 2 point return because it happened during the extra point after a Washington TD.

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(11-30-2021 09:43 PM)hburg Wrote:  The kick was blocked I thought. The return play was a 2 point return because it happened during the extra point after a Washington TD.

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I have never heard of a "2-point return."

Suppose it had been a PAT kick and the ball was fumbled and returned to the opposite endzone. Would that be a 1-point return?

I was thinking they could be returned in college but not the NFL but apparently not... Maybe it's high school where you can't return them? Or maybe it was changed somewhere at some point but I could've sworn you could return an extra point for two at some level and not at another. Or maybe I'm just crazy lol

Regardless, definitely don't see it very often and pretty crazy when you do and especially when it's impactful. I saw this on Twitter from some App fan when Florida hired Napier this week:

The XP was blocked and returned by Seattle for 2pts. The Washington kicker pulled a hamstring trying to chase down the returner so they had to go for it on 4th down a couple of times when in FG range and go for 2 after TDs. The 2pt return on failed XPs is a fairly recent rule change as the play used to be blown dead and was mentioned as such on the broadcast.

Believe it or not there is such a thing as a 1 point safety that can occur on XP attempts. It has happened a few times in college football. Basically the kick is blocked, the ball is recovered by the defense, carried into their own end zone, and then gets tackled. There are other theoretical ways it could happen, but practically impossible.

(11-30-2021 10:16 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 09:43 PM)hburg Wrote:  The kick was blocked I thought. The return play was a 2 point return because it happened during the extra point after a Washington TD.

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I have never heard of a "2-point return."

Suppose it had been a PAT kick and the ball was fumbled and returned to the opposite endzone. Would that be a 1-point return?

Nope a blocked PAT is 2 pts. Rarely happens but theres a rule for it

Arthur Moats did it against a team in 2008. I think it was Towson?

I thought they call that a "Rouge" but I may be mistaken

Rouge is a single point, and is pretty much just a Canadian football specialty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_(football)

William and Mary blocked and returned 2 extra points against us a few years ago.

This has been around for a long time and have seen it happen a handful of times, although not in the NFL

Good place for this - Did you guys see the new OT rule that happened in the Ala - Aub game Saturday? I HATE IT. It made the outcome seem more gimmicky/random

On the third round of OT (if score is still even after first two rounds). They simple set the ball at the extra point line and each team has one shot at a 2pt conversion per round. It continues on in a one play sequence until there is a make and miss in the same round.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-point_conversion

TLDR;
Defensive two-point conversion - college has had it since 1988, NFL since 2015.

Conversion safety - Basically the offense retreats to its own endzone, or the ball gets batted out the back of the offense's endzone. This results in 1 point.

I also hate the new OT rules. It forces the game to devolve further and further from "real" football. First you start at the 25, then you start at the 25 and have to go for two if you score a TD, then you trade two point conversions. Supposedly it was done to reduce the number of plays in games to "support the student athletes" which is silly for a number of reasons:

1. This will only impact games that go into several OTs
2. If you want to reduce number of plays, then just eliminate OT and bring ties back!

Ties are the worst imo. I'd rather decide games on a coinflip than have ties again.

The Penn St./Illinois game earlier this year went NINE OTs. It was ridiculous. I never liked college football OT in the first place but this is garbage.

If they want to reduce plays caused by OT, just eliminate OT altogether and 'award' the win (kind of like shoot-out wins in the NHL) to the team who reached the final score first. The effect would be that the team that is behind can't just kick a FG to take it to OT. They'd have to go for it on 4th down to try and win outright. If a team is behind by 7 and scores a TD, they'd have to go for two.

It would change other in-game dynamics somewhat, in that if you are in a position to score a tying point earlier in 4th (or even late 3rd), do you tie it up hoping you can get the ball back and score later or do you take a riskier decision to try and get ahead?

I've always felt like the right way to do it is to play another full quarter (no sudden death). But the way the NFL does it is a decent compromise, except for allowing ties.

(12-01-2021 07:02 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 10:16 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 09:43 PM)hburg Wrote:  The kick was blocked I thought. The return play was a 2 point return because it happened during the extra point after a Washington TD.

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I have never heard of a "2-point return."

Suppose it had been a PAT kick and the ball was fumbled and returned to the opposite endzone. Would that be a 1-point return?

Nope a blocked PAT is 2 pts. Rarely happens but theres a rule for it

But, what do they call it? It has to have a name.

(12-01-2021 09:13 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-point_conversion

TLDR;
Defensive two-point conversion - college has had it since 1988, NFL since 2015.

There you go, that's what I was looking for, the name of the play. It is weird to me that you can have a two-point conversion without a touchdown, but I guess they can make the rules any way they want.

(12-01-2021 09:07 AM)Dukester Wrote:  This has been around for a long time and have seen it happen a handful of times, although not in the NFL

Good place for this - Did you guys see the new OT rule that happened in the Ala - Aub game Saturday? I HATE IT. It made the outcome seem more gimmicky/random

On the third round of OT (if score is still even after first two rounds). They simple set the ball at the extra point line and each team has one shot at a 2pt conversion per round. It continues on in a one play sequence until there is a make and miss in the same round.

Hate it so much. I was ok with the changes they made to start from the 25 and each team gets a possession. While it takes away some of the aspects of football, it's still football. The change to make the 3rd OT just start from the extra point spot is just too much.

To me, it's too close to soccer shootouts, the absolute worst OT although its exciting. Soccer shootouts are like deciding a basketball game with a slam dunk competition.

(12-01-2021 09:58 AM)DooX Wrote:  The Penn St./Illinois game earlier this year went NINE OTs. It was ridiculous. I never liked college football OT in the first place but this is garbage.

If they want to reduce plays caused by OT, just eliminate OT altogether and 'award' the win (kind of like shoot-out wins in the NHL) to the team who reached the final score first. The effect would be that the team that is behind can't just kick a FG to take it to OT. They'd have to go for it on 4th down to try and win outright. If a team is behind by 7 and scores a TD, they'd have to go for two.

It would change other in-game dynamics somewhat, in that if you are in a position to score a tying point earlier in 4th (or even late 3rd), do you tie it up hoping you can get the ball back and score later or do you take a riskier decision to try and get ahead?

I've always felt like the right way to do it is to play another full quarter (no sudden death). But the way the NFL does it is a decent compromise, except for allowing ties.

not a bad idea, but seems like it would change the game too much. what if team receives 1st half kick, scores a td. other team scores a td in the 1st half to tie. 7-7 going into the 4th, i dont think fans would be pleased that the 2nd scoring team is actually losing.

how about after 3 ots, have them start at the 10 with 4 downs, vs. the 25?

(11-30-2021 10:19 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I was thinking they could be returned in college but not the NFL but apparently not... Maybe it's high school where you can't return them? Or maybe it was changed somewhere at some point but I could've sworn you could return an extra point for two at some level and not at another. Or maybe I'm just crazy lol

Regardless, definitely don't see it very often and pretty crazy when you do and especially when it's impactful. I saw this on Twitter from some App fan when Florida hired Napier this week:

I'm not sure, but I think the 2-point return in the NFL was legalized the same time that the 2-point XP did. Seems fair.