(11-29-2021 03:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 12:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 08:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I disagree, because the quality of CCG opponents isn't equal. For example, why should Georgia have to beat computers #3 Alabama to make the playoffs, while Cincy gets to feast on computers #27 Houston to make the playoffs?

The computers say the SEC is far and away the best conference. The SEC was 9-6 OOC vs P5 competition this year. The AAC isn't even the top G5 conference, and is 3-11 vs P5 this year. The SEC is 23-1 vs G5, the AAC is 9-5 vs G5. They are not equal in strength in any way, so why should winning the far weaker conference be equal to winning the far stronger one?

This just shows how far from reality the computers are. No way is the SEC stronger than the B1G top to bottom, and Alabama is barely a top 10 team.

SEC had a winning record against the ACC (7-3) and Big 12 (1-0, future mate Texas). Losing record against Pac 12 (1-2) and Big 10 (0-1)

Reality is the SEC once again had the best ooc record:
SEC 35-7 83.3%
Big 10 26-9 74.3%
Big 12 15-6 71.4%
MWC 21-17 55.3%
ACC 21-19 52.5%

Is you who is out of touch with reality. Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska are not even close to Missouri, South Carolina, Florida, Vanderbilt, LSU, Auburn. The top half of the Big 10 is competitive with the SEC this year, but not the bottom half.

Feasting on bad FCS teams (13-1) and bad G5 teams. Other than Georgia, the SEC only played 9 P5 games.

You have to look beyond the records.

Vandy? LOL. Both Auburn and Illinois went to Happy Valley. Only Illinois came away with a win. If Rutgers had done what the 6-6 SEC teams did (one P5 OOC, one FCS, two weak G5's) they'd be at 6-6. If Illinois had done 9 P5's, they'd be 6-6 as well.

Bowling Green, 10th in the MAC beat Minnesota, 2nd in the Big 10 West. Illinois lost to a CUSA team and beat a bottom feeder in CUSA. Rutgers won its 3 ooc games against an FCS, bad G5 and one ACC team. You should look up teams records before making yourself look ridiculous with your claims.

And look who the SEC won their games against. Troy (bad), ULM (bad), Ga State (bad), Southeast Missouri, Eastern Illinois, Alabama State, McNeese State- not just FCS teams, but BAD FCS teams.

I'm not the ridiculous SEC Fanboy

(11-29-2021 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 12:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  This just shows how far from reality the computers are. No way is the SEC stronger than the B1G top to bottom, and Alabama is barely a top 10 team.

SEC had a winning record against the ACC (7-3) and Big 12 (1-0, future mate Texas). Losing record against Pac 12 (1-2) and Big 10 (0-1)

Reality is the SEC once again had the best ooc record:
SEC 35-7 83.3%
Big 10 26-9 74.3%
Big 12 15-6 71.4%
MWC 21-17 55.3%
ACC 21-19 52.5%

Is you who is out of touch with reality. Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska are not even close to Missouri, South Carolina, Florida, Vanderbilt, LSU, Auburn. The top half of the Big 10 is competitive with the SEC this year, but not the bottom half.

Feasting on bad FCS teams (13-1) and bad G5 teams. Other than Georgia, the SEC only played 9 P5 games.

You have to look beyond the records.

Vandy? LOL. Both Auburn and Illinois went to Happy Valley. Only Illinois came away with a win. If Rutgers had done what the 6-6 SEC teams did (one P5 OOC, one FCS, two weak G5's) they'd be at 6-6. If Illinois had done 9 P5's, they'd be 6-6 as well.

Bowling Green, 10th in the MAC beat Minnesota, 2nd in the Big 10 West. Illinois lost to a CUSA team and beat a bottom feeder in CUSA. Rutgers won its 3 ooc games against an FCS, bad G5 and one ACC team. You should look up teams records before making yourself look ridiculous with your claims.

And look who the SEC won their games against. Troy (bad), ULM (bad), Ga State (bad), Southeast Missouri, Eastern Illinois, Alabama State, McNeese State- not just FCS teams, but BAD FCS teams.

I'm not the ridiculous SEC Fanboy

Only games that should matter in this discussion are SEC vs BIG 10 matchups.

Lets see how the playoffs go.

Seems like we have two schools of thought:

People in Group A believe the CFP should always be the top two teams in the B10 v. the SEC (with the occasional inclusion of Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Clemson and perhaps a USC) regardless of record; and

People in Group B who believe that is bull crap.

(11-29-2021 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 12:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  This just shows how far from reality the computers are. No way is the SEC stronger than the B1G top to bottom, and Alabama is barely a top 10 team.

SEC had a winning record against the ACC (7-3) and Big 12 (1-0, future mate Texas). Losing record against Pac 12 (1-2) and Big 10 (0-1)

Reality is the SEC once again had the best ooc record:
SEC 35-7 83.3%
Big 10 26-9 74.3%
Big 12 15-6 71.4%
MWC 21-17 55.3%
ACC 21-19 52.5%

Is you who is out of touch with reality. Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska are not even close to Missouri, South Carolina, Florida, Vanderbilt, LSU, Auburn. The top half of the Big 10 is competitive with the SEC this year, but not the bottom half.

Feasting on bad FCS teams (13-1) and bad G5 teams. Other than Georgia, the SEC only played 9 P5 games.

You have to look beyond the records.

Vandy? LOL. Both Auburn and Illinois went to Happy Valley. Only Illinois came away with a win. If Rutgers had done what the 6-6 SEC teams did (one P5 OOC, one FCS, two weak G5's) they'd be at 6-6. If Illinois had done 9 P5's, they'd be 6-6 as well.

Bowling Green, 10th in the MAC beat Minnesota, 2nd in the Big 10 West. Illinois lost to a CUSA team and beat a bottom feeder in CUSA. Rutgers won its 3 ooc games against an FCS, bad G5 and one ACC team. You should look up teams records before making yourself look ridiculous with your claims.

And look who the SEC won their games against. Troy (bad), ULM (bad), Ga State (bad), Southeast Missouri, Eastern Illinois, Alabama State, McNeese State- not just FCS teams, but BAD FCS teams.

I'm not the ridiculous SEC Fanboy

Here is the lineup the top 5 B1G programs played:
Wesstern Michigan, Norrthern Illinois (Michigan) / Tulsa, Akron (Ohio State), Youngstown State, Western Kentucky (Mich St) / Kent State,, Colorado State (Iowa) / Ball State, Villanova (Penn St)

And while it isn't Michigan's fault playing Washington was hardly helpful to their SOS, though it should have been.

You find these things in every P5 but fewer in the B12.

And defending your conference with cold data hardly makes one a fanboy. When have I run down your schools? I don't. I'll take Warren to task for his decisions, but praised Delaney. You don't have to defend the B1G because I don't spew hate at other people's conferences. I do see a divide coming but that's not hate either it's just what I hear and find rational. Those who do spew are rightfully called fan boys. If the statistical truth offends you, it's not my problem. It's your problem.

(11-29-2021 03:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  Reality is the SEC once again had the best ooc record:
SEC 35-7 83.3%
Big 10 26-9 74.3%
Big 12 15-6 71.4%
MWC 21-17 55.3%
ACC 21-19 52.5%

Is you who is out of touch with reality. Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska are not even close to Missouri, South Carolina, Florida, Vanderbilt, LSU, Auburn. The top half of the Big 10 is competitive with the SEC this year, but not the bottom half.

Feasting on bad FCS teams (13-1) and bad G5 teams. Other than Georgia, the SEC only played 9 P5 games.

You have to look beyond the records.

Vandy? LOL. Both Auburn and Illinois went to Happy Valley. Only Illinois came away with a win. If Rutgers had done what the 6-6 SEC teams did (one P5 OOC, one FCS, two weak G5's) they'd be at 6-6. If Illinois had done 9 P5's, they'd be 6-6 as well.

Bowling Green, 10th in the MAC beat Minnesota, 2nd in the Big 10 West. Illinois lost to a CUSA team and beat a bottom feeder in CUSA. Rutgers won its 3 ooc games against an FCS, bad G5 and one ACC team. You should look up teams records before making yourself look ridiculous with your claims.

And look who the SEC won their games against. Troy (bad), ULM (bad), Ga State (bad), Southeast Missouri, Eastern Illinois, Alabama State, McNeese State- not just FCS teams, but BAD FCS teams.

I'm not the ridiculous SEC Fanboy

Only games that should matter in this discussion are SEC vs BIG 10 matchups.

Lets see how the playoffs go.

1-0 B1G

(11-29-2021 03:45 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Seems like we have two schools of thought:

People in Group A believe the CFP should always be the top two teams in the B10 v. the SEC (with the occasional inclusion of Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Clemson and perhaps a USC) regardless of record; and

People in Group B who believe that is bull crap.

I don't want two teams from the same conference in a 4 team playoff, unless both teams have clearly dominated all competition, and only losses are to each other.

But I want a minimum 12 game playoff (prefer 24, with autobids for all FBS conferences), and that isn't happening either.

(11-29-2021 03:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Feasting on bad FCS teams (13-1) and bad G5 teams. Other than Georgia, the SEC only played 9 P5 games.

You have to look beyond the records.

Vandy? LOL. Both Auburn and Illinois went to Happy Valley. Only Illinois came away with a win. If Rutgers had done what the 6-6 SEC teams did (one P5 OOC, one FCS, two weak G5's) they'd be at 6-6. If Illinois had done 9 P5's, they'd be 6-6 as well.

Bowling Green, 10th in the MAC beat Minnesota, 2nd in the Big 10 West. Illinois lost to a CUSA team and beat a bottom feeder in CUSA. Rutgers won its 3 ooc games against an FCS, bad G5 and one ACC team. You should look up teams records before making yourself look ridiculous with your claims.

And look who the SEC won their games against. Troy (bad), ULM (bad), Ga State (bad), Southeast Missouri, Eastern Illinois, Alabama State, McNeese State- not just FCS teams, but BAD FCS teams.

I'm not the ridiculous SEC Fanboy

Only games that should matter in this discussion are SEC vs BIG 10 matchups.

Lets see how the playoffs go.

1-0 B1G

Yep, at home, early in the season, against a totally new coaching staff, and Penn State won at the end against what would be a 6-6 school. But it counts. I just put it into context. Be glad it wasn't Ole Miss.

(11-29-2021 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  Bowling Green, 10th in the MAC beat Minnesota, 2nd in the Big 10 West. Illinois lost to a CUSA team and beat a bottom feeder in CUSA. Rutgers won its 3 ooc games against an FCS, bad G5 and one ACC team. You should look up teams records before making yourself look ridiculous with your claims.

And look who the SEC won their games against. Troy (bad), ULM (bad), Ga State (bad), Southeast Missouri, Eastern Illinois, Alabama State, McNeese State- not just FCS teams, but BAD FCS teams.

I'm not the ridiculous SEC Fanboy

Only games that should matter in this discussion are SEC vs BIG 10 matchups.

Lets see how the playoffs go.

1-0 B1G

Yep, at home, early in the season, against a totally new coaching staff, and Penn State won at the end against what would be a 6-6 school. But it counts. I just put it into context. Be glad it wasn't Ole Miss.

You mean against the team that was one running back mistake from beating the #3 team in the nation?

As for Ole Miss, what an OOC schedule!

6-6 Louisville (neutral)
6-5 FCS Austin Peay (at home)
2-10 Tulane (at home)
7-5 Liberty (at home)

(11-29-2021 04:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  And look who the SEC won their games against. Troy (bad), ULM (bad), Ga State (bad), Southeast Missouri, Eastern Illinois, Alabama State, McNeese State- not just FCS teams, but BAD FCS teams.

I'm not the ridiculous SEC Fanboy

Only games that should matter in this discussion are SEC vs BIG 10 matchups.

Lets see how the playoffs go.

1-0 B1G

Yep, at home, early in the season, against a totally new coaching staff, and Penn State won at the end against what would be a 6-6 school. But it counts. I just put it into context. Be glad it wasn't Ole Miss.

You mean against the team that was one running back mistake from beating the #3 team in the nation?

That's right! Alabama's closest series is against Auburn for a reason. A corpse of an Auburn team can rise from the dead to play the Tide. It's similar, at least it was once similar, to what a mediocre Michigan or Ohio State team could do to one another. It's called a rivalry for a reason! And it's those games which make college football. Georgia, no matter how good they may be, sweats out the game in Jacksonville, FL every year!

(11-29-2021 04:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As for Ole Miss, what an OOC schedule!

6-6 Louisville (at home)
6-5 FCS Austin Peay (at home)
2-10 Tulane (at home)
7-5 Liberty (at home)

Nothing wrong with Ole Miss’a schedule actually. I think Alabama’s is a much bigger embarrassment.

(11-29-2021 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  Bowling Green, 10th in the MAC beat Minnesota, 2nd in the Big 10 West. Illinois lost to a CUSA team and beat a bottom feeder in CUSA. Rutgers won its 3 ooc games against an FCS, bad G5 and one ACC team. You should look up teams records before making yourself look ridiculous with your claims.

And look who the SEC won their games against. Troy (bad), ULM (bad), Ga State (bad), Southeast Missouri, Eastern Illinois, Alabama State, McNeese State- not just FCS teams, but BAD FCS teams.

I'm not the ridiculous SEC Fanboy

Only games that should matter in this discussion are SEC vs BIG 10 matchups.

Lets see how the playoffs go.

1-0 B1G

Yep, at home, early in the season, against a totally new coaching staff, and Penn State won at the end against what would be a 6-6 school. But it counts. I just put it into context. Be glad it wasn't Ole Miss.

Is Penn St a great team? Theyre middle of the pack in their conference too.

Ohio St couldnt blow them out and UM survived against them.

(11-29-2021 04:16 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  And look who the SEC won their games against. Troy (bad), ULM (bad), Ga State (bad), Southeast Missouri, Eastern Illinois, Alabama State, McNeese State- not just FCS teams, but BAD FCS teams.

I'm not the ridiculous SEC Fanboy

Only games that should matter in this discussion are SEC vs BIG 10 matchups.

Lets see how the playoffs go.

1-0 B1G

Yep, at home, early in the season, against a totally new coaching staff, and Penn State won at the end against what would be a 6-6 school. But it counts. I just put it into context. Be glad it wasn't Ole Miss.

Is Penn St a great team? Theyre middle of the pack in their conference too.

Ohio St couldnt blow them out and UM survived against them.

Penn State is really good on defense. I'd actually love to see Penn State vs. Ole Miss.

(11-29-2021 04:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 04:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 03:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Only games that should matter in this discussion are SEC vs BIG 10 matchups.

Lets see how the playoffs go.

1-0 B1G

Yep, at home, early in the season, against a totally new coaching staff, and Penn State won at the end against what would be a 6-6 school. But it counts. I just put it into context. Be glad it wasn't Ole Miss.

You mean against the team that was one running back mistake from beating the #3 team in the nation?

That's right! Alabama's closest series is against Auburn for a reason. A corpse of an Auburn team can rise from the dead to play the Tide. It's similar, at least it was once similar, to what a mediocre Michigan or Ohio State team could do to one another. It's called a rivalry for a reason! And it's those games which make college football. Georgia, no matter how good they may be, sweats out the game in Jacksonville, FL every year!

I was cheering for Auburn

(11-29-2021 04:09 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 04:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As for Ole Miss, what an OOC schedule!

6-6 Louisville (neutral)
6-5 FCS Austin Peay (at home)
2-10 Tulane (at home)
7-5 Liberty (at home)

Nothing wrong with Ole Miss’a schedule actually. I think Alabama’s is a much bigger embarrassment.

Louisville should have been a good game, but the rest is trash.

(11-29-2021 04:09 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 04:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As for Ole Miss, what an OOC schedule!

6-6 Louisville (at home)
6-5 FCS Austin Peay (at home)
2-10 Tulane (at home)
7-5 Liberty (at home)

Nothing wrong with Ole Miss’a schedule actually. I think Alabama’s is a much bigger embarrassment.

Alabama did open with Miami in Atlanta, just like Michigan couldn't know that Washington wouldn't help their SoS back when the game was scheduled 'Bama had no way of knowing if Miami would be "back" or not.

Southern Miss has had a terrible year but they are a regional G5 team that Alabama has history with, 44 games in that series.

And Mercer is 7-3, a winning FCS team at least and also regional. Is there really any FCS team you wouldn't criticize 'Bama for scheduling though?

Granted, New Mexico State is one of the worst FBS programs and has been for years.

It seems you want Alabama to play a weighted, more difficult schedule because of their dominance for the last decade. It really isn't rational to think they'd play by different rules than everyone else, especially when the schedules are made years in advance and teams rise and fall. If you followed the SEC you'd remember it hasn't been that long since 'Bama was down, and since the SEC went to divisions in 1992 they've only won the west one more time (14) than Florida has won the east(13).

Certainly Ohio State & Michigan deserve credit for scheduling a strong (at least potentially) opponent OOC in Oregon & Washington, just like Alabama did with Miami. The rest of the schedules aren't that different either - Michigan played regional G5 teams in Western MI and Northern Illinois while Ohio State played Akron and Tulsa (not regional, but typically stronger than NM State for sure). The only real difference is in the B1G not having the FCS game that the SEC does, which the SEC can afford to play and still have no SoS issues due to the stronger conference slate. Alabama only gets Vandy every few years, while OSU & MI both have Rutgers & MD to feast on every single year.

(11-29-2021 04:09 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 04:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As for Ole Miss, what an OOC schedule!

6-6 Louisville (at home)
6-5 FCS Austin Peay (at home)
2-10 Tulane (at home)
7-5 Liberty (at home)

Nothing wrong with Ole Miss’a schedule actually. I think Alabama’s is a much bigger embarrassment.

Agree. Austin Peay is a solid FCS program. They usually have a lot of decent athletes that started out at P5 schools. They won the OVC in 2019 and made it to the third round of the FCS playoffs.

Liberty is no slouch, and Tulane really underachieved this year. They were predicted to have a winning season and actually gave Oklahoma a game- 40-35 the first week of the season. There were some injuries and the wheels fell off the cart as the losses started to accumulate.

SEC P5 Games
Alabama - 8 SEC + Miami = 9
Arkansas - 8 SEC + Texas = 9
Auburn - 8 SEC + Penn State = 9
Florida - 8 SEC + Florida State = 9
Georgia - 8 SEC + Clemson + Georgia Tech = 10
Kentucky - 8 SEC + Louisville = 9
LSU - 8 SEC + UCLA = 9
Mississippi State - 8 SEC + NC State = 9
Missouri - 8 SEC + Boston College = 9
Ole Miss - 8 SEC + Louisville = 9
South Carolina - 8 SEC + Clemson = 9
Tennessee - 8 SEC + Pittsburgh = 9
Texas A&M - 8 SEC + Colorado = 9
Vanderbilt - 8 SEC + Stanford = 9

B1G Ten P5 Games
Illinois - 9 B1G + Virginia = 10
Indiana - 9 B1G + Cincinnati = 9
Iowa - 9 B1G + Iowa State = 10
Maryland - 9 B1G + West Virginia = 10
Michigan - 9 B1G + Washington = 10
Michigan State - 9 B1G + Miami = 10
Minnesota - 9 B1G + Colorado = 10
Nebraska - 9 B1G + Oklahoma = 10
Northwestern - 9 B1G + Duke = 10
Ohio State - 9 B1G + Oregon = 10
Penn State - 9 B1G + Auburn = 10
Purdue - 9 B1G + Notre Dame + Oregon State = 11
Rutgers - 9 B1G + Syracuse = 10
Wisconsin - 9 B1G + Notre Dame = 10

(11-29-2021 04:30 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 04:09 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 04:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  As for Ole Miss, what an OOC schedule!

6-6 Louisville (at home)
6-5 FCS Austin Peay (at home)
2-10 Tulane (at home)
7-5 Liberty (at home)

Nothing wrong with Ole Miss’a schedule actually. I think Alabama’s is a much bigger embarrassment.

Alabama did open with Miami in Atlanta, just like Michigan couldn't know that Washington wouldn't help their SoS back when the game was scheduled 'Bama had no way of knowing if Miami would be "back" or not.

Southern Miss has had a terrible year but they are a regional G5 team that Alabama has history with, 44 games in that series.

And Mercer is 7-3, a winning FCS team at least and also regional. Is there really any FCS team you wouldn't criticize 'Bama for scheduling though?

Granted, New Mexico State is one of the worst FBS programs and has been for years.

It seems you want Alabama to play a weighted, more difficult schedule because of their dominance for the last decade. It really isn't rational to think they'd play by different rules than everyone else, especially when the schedules are made years in advance and teams rise and fall. If you followed the SEC you'd remember it hasn't been that long since 'Bama was down, and since the SEC went to divisions in 1992 they've only won the west one more time (14) than Florida has won the east(13).

I’d like one less G5 game (with no return to that G5 venue), but I suppose those schools need the P5 that badly. The PAC-12 & ACC seem more willing to send their schools on the road to face MWC & AAC schools.

I’m interested to see what the 16 team SEC will do. Will they do a West/East format, will they go to 9 games, or will it be a pod structure at 8?

4 conferences, 20 teams each, 9 game conference schedules, conference semi finals, conference finals, national semi final, national championship, essentially a 16 team playoff and no committees... Problem solved, Lol