(12-03-2021 10:25 PM)memphisike Wrote: Remember Jerry traded some Dude named Herschel Warker for 10 viking players
Jerry may not get 10 but Zeke would bring a couple of decent players and 3 good draft picks.
Ike believes a running back would be in the mix so Tony wouldn't get burned out.
Jerry knows football
Ike is making a fool of himself.
This is not 1989, Herschel was not saddled with a 90 million dollar contract and was not coming off an injury plagued season. Not to mention the fact that NO ONE in the NFL trades high draft picks for a RB in the 21st century. Literally NO ONE.
You are exposing yourself as a totally clueless fraud by making these arguments.
(12-03-2021 10:25 PM)memphisike Wrote: Remember Jerry traded some Dude named Herschel Warker for 10 viking players
Jerry may not get 10 but Zeke would bring a couple of decent players and 3 good draft picks.
Ike believes a running back would be in the mix so Tony wouldn't get burned out.
Jerry knows football
Ike is making a fool of himself.
This is not 1989, Herschel was not saddled with a 90 million dollar contract and was not coming off an injury plagued season. Not to mention the fact that NO ONE in the NFL trades high draft picks for a RB in the 21st century. Literally NO ONE.
You are exposing yourself as a totally clueless fraud by making these arguments.
Dude, you gotta relax just a bit…
There ya go! Perfect. +3 sir
lol No one was remotely angry at him.
Just pointing out that he is a fraud and just makes this stuff up out of thin air. His comment was a perfect example of that.
The NFL trade deadline is long past, and NO ONE trades for an RB with a 90 mill contract in the first place. Much less trading high draft picks for an injured RB........with a 90 mill contract.
That was epic stupid.
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2021 12:43 AM by ericsrevenge76.)
(12-03-2021 10:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ike is making a fool of himself.
This is not 1989, Herschel was not saddled with a 90 million dollar contract and was not coming off an injury plagued season. Not to mention the fact that NO ONE in the NFL trades high draft picks for a RB in the 21st century. Literally NO ONE.
You are exposing yourself as a totally clueless fraud by making these arguments.
Dude, you gotta relax just a bit…
There ya go! Perfect. +3 sir
lol No one was remotely angry at him.
Just pointing out that he is a fraud and just makes this stuff up out of thin air. His comment was a perfect example of that.
The NFL trade deadline is long past, and NO ONE trades for an RB with a 90 mill contract in the first place. Much less trading high draft picks for an injured RB........with a 90 mill contract.
That was epic stupid.
Well, honestly, while your points about Pollard are right, imo, there is a ton of talk around Dallas about the possibility of trading Elliott in the off season. A lot. A radio station down there even had a poll about it and nearly everyone thinks Pollard is the better back and over half thought Elliott would be dealt in the off-season.
The consensus, though, is about Pollard getting a big contract. Everyone is for it. Everyone. And apparently those close to Jerry jones say Jones will do whatever it takes to keep Pollard in Dallas.
(12-04-2021 12:12 AM)450bench Wrote: Dude, you gotta relax just a bit…
There ya go! Perfect. +3 sir
lol No one was remotely angry at him.
Just pointing out that he is a fraud and just makes this stuff up out of thin air. His comment was a perfect example of that.
The NFL trade deadline is long past, and NO ONE trades for an RB with a 90 mill contract in the first place. Much less trading high draft picks for an injured RB........with a 90 mill contract.
That was epic stupid.
Well, honestly, while your points about Pollard are right, imo, there is a ton of talk around Dallas about the possibility of trading Elliott in the off season. A lot. A radio station down there even had a poll about it and nearly everyone thinks Pollard is the better back and over half thought Elliott would be dealt in the off-season.
The consensus, though, is about Pollard getting a big contract. Everyone is for it. Everyone. And apparently those close to Jerry jones say Jones will do whatever it takes to keep Pollard in Dallas.
Oh there are other people like ike out there, no doubt about it. There are people who actually think a trade for a 90 million dollar RB coming off an injury plagued season is actually possible.
Fans say CRAZY stuff. Look at this place. lol
And trading a 90 million dollar injured RB for high draft picks.
Again, that is epic stupid. It just does not happen in modern NFL times.
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Understand that it specifically does not happen for the very reason Ike pointed to.... BECAUSE of the Herschel Walker trade 32 years ago.
That is now universally seen as the worst & dumbest trade in the history of the NFL. Its why NO ONE has ever agreed to a trade like that again and never will.
And that is just from the perspective of the multiple high draft picks for a RB, its 10 times more absurd when you factor in Zeke's 90 million contract, his injuries the last 2 years and production.
Ike actually thought it was possible BECAUSE of that trade. Again it just illustrated he really is out of his depth on this one.
But Ike can be an entertaining cat at times, I'm not mad at him. I often enjoy his posts.
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2021 01:50 AM by ericsrevenge76.)
Elliott was running really good before the knee bruise. He was clearly limping in and out of the huddle the last few games.
Its just a bruise, its gonna heal. Don't be surprised if he finishes the year strong or plays well in the post season.
I think a lot of fans misinterpret the cowboys not as dominate O line (compared to 2016) as Zeke being washed up or declining. They still have a solid O line but its not as dominate in the middle as it was before Travis Fredericks issues and retirement.
You can tell based on when Zeke has first contact with the defense. IN 2016-2017 it was typically 3+ yards down the field before first contact. Its often at the line of scrimmage the last few years. There is just not as giant of holes and push as 2016-2017.
I'd like to see Pollard get more sweeps, pitches or trick plays that get him outside the tackles. They run 3-4 a game but I'd like to see it more than that.
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2021 03:32 AM by ericsrevenge76.)
(12-03-2021 05:49 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: Had a friendly argument with a co-worker who is Ohio State grad the first of the year about who was faster, Zeke or Tony. Haven't heard from him in a few weeks.
Man people say some stupid stuff. Look what Ike just said.
Zeke is a between the tackles power back, not a breakaway speed guy. They literally could not be on more opposite ends of that spectrum.
Imagine someone arguing Eli Manning was faster than Lamar Jackson.
Its THAT stupid.
Now yeah...
But combine numbers 4.47 vs 4.52
Elliot was the 100m, 200m and 110m hurdle champion in HS. So coming into the league it definitely wasn't cut and dry who was faster. And I think Zeke still has speed... He lacks quickness
(This post was last modified: 12-06-2021 08:05 PM by macgar32.)
Ike believes jerry will trade Zeke for some decent picks, Ike believes this is a good move that'll be a win win for both teams.
Zeke has a couple of good years left, concerning his 90 million contract, how much was up front
Stephen Davis signed a 80 million contract with Redskins and was gone within a yr. Ike doesn't know what his up front money was but, IKE's sure he did alright, Al Hainesworth got 30 million up front and barley played another down for the skins or Patriots.
Listen to Ike the Dude knows what's happening, good information from the street
(12-03-2021 05:49 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: Had a friendly argument with a co-worker who is Ohio State grad the first of the year about who was faster, Zeke or Tony. Haven't heard from him in a few weeks.
Man people say some stupid stuff. Look what Ike just said.
Zeke is a between the tackles power back, not a breakaway speed guy. They literally could not be on more opposite ends of that spectrum.
Imagine someone arguing Eli Manning was faster than Lamar Jackson.
Its THAT stupid.
Now yeah...
But combine numbers 4.47 vs 4.52
Elliot was the 100m, 200m and 110m hurdle champion in HS. So coming into the league it definitely wasn't cut and dry who was faster. And I think Zeke still has speed... He lacks quickness
Your changing the conversation though. The issue is not if Zeke lacks speed, its does he lack Tony Pollard speed.
And there is a LARGE difference between track or combine speed and football speed. No one at any point in either mans career thought Zeke had Tony Pollard speed. He was ALWAYS seen at the quicker back who had breakaway speed.
Zeke was never been that type of back in the NFL, he has always been a power, between the tackles back.
They are on opposite ends of the spectrum of running styles. One is an every down grinder power back, the other is an explosive specialist. That has been universally understood by everyone their entire careers, so I'm not sure what there is to debate here.
(This post was last modified: 12-06-2021 08:49 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
(12-06-2021 08:23 PM)memphisike Wrote: Ike believes jerry will trade Zeke for some decent picks, Ike believes this is a good move that'll be a win win for both teams.
Zeke has a couple of good years left, concerning his 90 million contract, how much was up front
Stephen Davis signed a 80 million contract with Redskins and was gone within a yr. Ike doesn't know what his up front money was but, IKE's sure he did alright, Al Hainesworth got 30 million up front and barley played another down for the skins or Patriots.
Listen to Ike the Dude knows what's happening, good information from the street
I'm just trying to warn you here ike, you are in fantasy land on this.
The ONLY way Elliott is not on the team next year is if he get cut, and the chances of that are near zero. There is not one team in the NFL that would give up high draft picks for him, much less multiple picks. Its just not a reality in the NFL in 2021.
Lets put aside the fact that Zeke was having a good year before the knee bruise. Lets pretend for a moment the cowboys decide Zeke is washed up and they want to get rid of him.
Why on earth would anyone give up multiple picks for a player with a fat contract who's own team views as washed up when you can just use one of those pick on a fresh back in the draft you can sign for pennies compared to Zeke?
Its just not goon happen, there is less than zero chance.
(12-03-2021 05:49 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: Had a friendly argument with a co-worker who is Ohio State grad the first of the year about who was faster, Zeke or Tony. Haven't heard from him in a few weeks.
Man people say some stupid stuff. Look what Ike just said.
Zeke is a between the tackles power back, not a breakaway speed guy. They literally could not be on more opposite ends of that spectrum.
Imagine someone arguing Eli Manning was faster than Lamar Jackson.
Its THAT stupid.
Now yeah...
But combine numbers 4.47 vs 4.52
Elliot was the 100m, 200m and 110m hurdle champion in HS. So coming into the league it definitely wasn't cut and dry who was faster. And I think Zeke still has speed... He lacks quickness
Your changing the conversation though. The issue is not if Zeke lacks speed, its does he lack Tony Pollard speed.
And there is a LARGE difference between track or combine speed and football speed. No one at any point in either mans career thought Zeke had Tony Pollard speed. He was ALWAYS seen at the quicker back who had breakaway speed.
Zeke was never been that type of back in the NFL, he has always been a power, between the tackles back.
They are on opposite ends of the spectrum of running styles. One is an every down grinder power back, the other is an explosive specialist. That has been universally understood by everyone their entire careers, so I'm not sure what there is to debate here.
They do run different...Herschel was a power back...But he was faster than almost any back in the league...Zeke lacked quickness...Not speed when he came in the league. Quickness and speed are 2 different animals.
Do you not recall him at OSU. Dude was gone if he got in the open field.
And no it is not changing the conversation...You said it was akin to comparing Manning and Jackson...A few years ago Pollard was not much faster or any faster than Zeke.
(This post was last modified: 12-06-2021 09:10 PM by macgar32.)
(12-03-2021 05:49 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: Had a friendly argument with a co-worker who is Ohio State grad the first of the year about who was faster, Zeke or Tony. Haven't heard from him in a few weeks.
Man people say some stupid stuff. Look what Ike just said.
Zeke is a between the tackles power back, not a breakaway speed guy. They literally could not be on more opposite ends of that spectrum.
Imagine someone arguing Eli Manning was faster than Lamar Jackson.
Its THAT stupid.
Now yeah...
But combine numbers 4.47 vs 4.52
Elliot was the 100m, 200m and 110m hurdle champion in HS. So coming into the league it definitely wasn't cut and dry who was faster. And I think Zeke still has speed... He lacks quickness
Your changing the conversation though. The issue is not if Zeke lacks speed, its does he lack Tony Pollard speed.
And there is a LARGE difference between track or combine speed and football speed. No one at any point in either mans career thought Zeke had Tony Pollard speed. He was ALWAYS seen at the quicker back who had breakaway speed.
Zeke was never been that type of back in the NFL, he has always been a power, between the tackles back.
They are on opposite ends of the spectrum of running styles. One is an every down grinder power back, the other is an explosive specialist. That has been universally understood by everyone their entire careers, so I'm not sure what there is to debate here.
They do run different...Herschel was a power back...But he was faster than almost any back in the league...Zeke lacked quickness...Not speed when he came in the league. Quickness and speed are 2 different animals.
Do you not recall him at OSU. Dude was gone if he got in the open field.
And no it is not changing the conversation...You said it was akin to comparing Manning and Jackson...A few years ago Pollard was not much faster or any faster than Zeke.
This is not college football, its the NFL. Zeke has never shown breakaway speed in the NFL, even in his fist 2 seasons behind the best O line in football. That is not his style, it not how he has lead the league in rushing.
At no point in his NFL career has Zeke every shown breakaway speed like Tony Pollard. They are 2 completely different animals.
(12-03-2021 10:25 PM)memphisike Wrote: Remember Jerry traded some Dude named Herschel Warker for 10 viking players
Jerry may not get 10 but Zeke would bring a couple of decent players and 3 good draft picks.
Ike believes a running back would be in the mix so Tony wouldn't get burned out.
Jerry knows football
That was Jimmie Johnson that cut that deal. At least that's the way I remember it.
Revenge76
U have your opinion and Ike has sources and then of course there is some Dude named Jerry who will trade Zeke
If he feels it'll help the cowgirls. Zeke has a bad wheel and still playing, Ike feels the cowgirls want to showcase him for the trade. Tony will be the featured back however He will have another back to take some of the load.
This worked well for DeAngelo and Johnny Stewart.
(12-03-2021 10:25 PM)memphisike Wrote: Remember Jerry traded some Dude named Herschel Warker for 10 viking players
Jerry may not get 10 but Zeke would bring a couple of decent players and 3 good draft picks.
Ike believes a running back would be in the mix so Tony wouldn't get burned out.
Jerry knows football
That was Jimmie Johnson that cut that deal. At least that's the way I remember it.
Its was.
Its now seen as the smartest trade ever for Jimmie and the dumbest trade of all time for the vikings.
(12-06-2021 10:57 PM)memphisike Wrote: Revenge76
U have your opinion and Ike has sources and then of course there is some Dude named Jerry who will trade Zeke
If he feels it'll help the cowgirls. Zeke has a bad wheel and still playing, Ike feels the cowgirls want to showcase him for the trade. Tony will be the featured back however He will have another back to take some of the load.
This worked well for DeAngelo and Johnny Stewart.
Its just not reality Ike.
No one in the NFL is dumb enough to give up multiple high picks for an injured 6th year RB with a 90 mil contract when they can get a 21 RB in the 2nd round of the draft for pennies.
Just putting Zeke on the trade block screams from the hilltops you think he is washed up and not worth his salary anymore. No one is gonna take that on.
(This post was last modified: 12-06-2021 11:24 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
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