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Arctic Ocean began warming since the onset of the 20th century



The Arctic Ocean began warming decades earlier than previously thought, new research shows


Quote:The Arctic Ocean has been warming since the onset of the 20th century, decades earlier than instrument observations would suggest, according to new research.

The study, published Wednesday in the journal Science Advances, found that the expansion of warm Atlantic Ocean water flowing into the Arctic, a phenomenon known as "Atlantification," has caused Arctic water temperature in the region studied to increase by around 2 degrees Celsius since 1900.

Francesco Muschitiello, an author on the study and assistant professor of geography at the University of Cambridge, said the findings were worrisome because the early warming suggests there might be a flaw in the models scientists use to predict how the climate will change.

"The Arctic Ocean has been warming up for much longer than we previously thought," Muschitiello told CNN. "And this is something that's a bit unsettling for many reasons, especially because the climate models that we use to cast projections of future climate change do not really simulate these type of changes."

The researchers used marine sediments in the Fram Straight, where the Atlantic meets the Arctic east of Greenland, to reconstruct 800 years of data that paint a longer historical picture of how Atlantic water has flowed into the Arctic. The marine sediments are "natural archives," the researchers wrote, which record data on past climate conditions.

Researchers found temperature and salinity, the saltiness of ocean water, remained fairly constant up until the 20th century -- then they suddenly increased.
"The reconstructions suggest a substantial increase in the Atlantic Ocean heat and salt transport into the Nordic Sea at the beginning of the 20th century, which is not well simulated by (climate models)," Rong Zhang, a senior scientist at NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, who was not involved with the study, told CNN. "It's important to understand the cause of this rapid Atlantification, as well as the discrepancies between the model simulations and the reconstructions."

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Muschitiello said it's not clear how much of a role, if any, human-caused climate change played in the early Arctic warming, and more research is needed.

"We're talking about the early 1900s, and by then we've already been supercharging the atmosphere with carbon dioxide," he said. "It is possible that the Arctic Ocean is more sensitive to greenhouse gases than previously thought. This will require more research, of course, because we don't have a solid grip on the actual mechanisms behind this early Atlantification."

The study notes that changes in the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) — a system of currents that moderates temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere — could have played a role in the Arctic warming. Notably, the AMOC weakened after a period of cooling ended in the mid-1800s in the North Atlantic region, which researchers suggest could have led to rapid Atlantification along the east Fram Strait.

A recent study found that the AMOC, often described as a "conveyor belt" that transports warm water from the tropics and redistributes it northward, is now showing signs of further instability due to human-caused climate change. Scientists have warned that a collapse of the circulation could lead to an abrupt shift in weather patterns across the globe — colder winters in Europe, changes to monsoons and potentially permanent drought in West Africa.

The rapidly warming temperatures in the Arctic have caused sea ice to melt, which in turn causes more warming -- while bright white sea ice reflects the sun's energy, dark ocean absorbs the energy as heat.

James E. Overland, NOAA Arctic scientist based at NOAA Pacific Marine Environmental Lab in Seattle, said such long-term changes in the North Atlantic, coupled with recent loss of sea ice in the Arctic, threatens marine ecosystems.

"Loss of sea ice and ocean currents has shifted the buffer region between the Atlantic and Arctic Ocean to something closer to an arm of the central Atlantic," Overland, who was not involved with the study, told CNN. "Important fisheries and marine mammals are vulnerable to ecosystem reorganization from such Atlantification."

A recent UN state-of-the-science report on the climate crisis found the Arctic will continue to warm faster than the rest of the planet as long as humans continue to burn fossil fuels and release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. On top of that, Muschitiello said the Arctic Ocean may experience further warming due to Atlantification.

"When I talk to my students I always try to make them aware that the Arctic is warming very, very quickly, and much faster than any other area on the planet," Muschitiello said. "It's very unsettling and very troubling, especially because we still don't have a full understanding of feedbacks at play."

"We're still slowly getting to know how the whole system works," he said. "And my fear is that by the time that we do crack the problem, it's going to be too late."
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RE: Arctic Ocean began warming since the onset of the 20th century
Whoa, wait a minute.

That's not what Al Gore says.
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RE: Arctic Ocean began warming since the onset of the 20th century
Well, they already knew their models were flawed, because the models couldnt project JackDiddlyShit with any accuracy.

This is simply telling them one reason their models were flawed. But they should have already known this. If a model is good, you would know by running it BACKWARDS to see if its projections about what happened in the past match up with what actually happened.

Once they pull their heads out of their collective man-made global warming asses, they may be able to create an unbiased model that works. Butif they continue to put in biases that arent true, they will always get a sh*t predictor.
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RE: Arctic Ocean began warming since the onset of the 20th century
(11-28-2021 03:59 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Well, they already knew their models were flawed, because the models couldnt project JackDiddlyShit with any accuracy.

This is simply telling them one reason their models were flawed. But they should have already known this. If a model is good, you would know by running it BACKWARDS to see if its projections about what happened in the past match up with what actually happened.

Once they pull their heads out of their collective man-made global warming asses, they may be able to create an unbiased model that works. Butif they continue to put in biases that arent true, they will always get a sh*t predictor.

^^^^THIS^^^^^

Not a single model used to predict death and destruction based on climate change is backwards compatible. How can anyone rely on a model that cant align with known history? Thats not a "climate model" in any sense of the normal use of the word when its projections dont work backwards. Models that dont work backwards do not align with know history when the same inputs are run and compared with know historical climate trends of the past. Any model that doesnt confirm past historical data when run backwards means relevant data is either being ignored----or expected interactions between data points is being incorrectly prognosticated and does not reflect how those same interactions played out in the past.
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RE: Arctic Ocean began warming since the onset of the 20th century
(11-28-2021 03:59 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Well, they already knew their models were flawed, because the models couldnt project JackDiddlyShit with any accuracy.

This is simply telling them one reason their models were flawed. But they should have already known this. If a model is good, you would know by running it BACKWARDS to see if its projections about what happened in the past match up with what actually happened.

Once they pull their heads out of their collective man-made global warming asses, they may be able to create an unbiased model that works. Butif they continue to put in biases that arent true, they will always get a sh*t predictor.

There's no money in that...
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RE: Arctic Ocean began warming since the onset of the 20th century
I like how they say “the atmosphere was already be supercharged” by carbon dioxide 120 years ago. While true that was the start of the industrial revolution, it was but a speck compared to today. If that cause this beginning rise, what we do now would have us at about 400 degrees, in the shade. A century ago only the US and Europe were creating any pollution and we had 5 billion less people on the planet.
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RE: Arctic Ocean began warming since the onset of the 20th century
So. About the same time the Antarctic began to get colder? I love how people were keeping records of the temperature all over the world 150 years ago. Yeah, right.
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