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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

espn gives us a 43.6% chance of winning.
11-24-2021 08:26 AM
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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-23-2021 06:09 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 02:46 PM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 01:26 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 11:09 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:09 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Thanks for the explanation! I've been watching college sports since the 60's and had no idea that was even possible.

Well when you reference a team from 3 years ago and compare them with their current team it brings into question your ability to discern the difference.

That was 2 years ago. Math obviously is not your strong suit.

And my sarcasm obviously went right over your fat head.

Hey look it's ok man...you took a shot at a clever post and it missed the mark. Don't back peddle now. Just own it and move forward.

So facts and the truth don't matter to you?

You must be one of them.

I think you lost out in this exchange.
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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-24-2021 08:46 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 06:09 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 02:46 PM)TigerBall Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 01:26 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 11:09 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  Well when you reference a team from 3 years ago and compare them with their current team it brings into question your ability to discern the difference.

That was 2 years ago. Math obviously is not your strong suit.

And my sarcasm obviously went right over your fat head.

Hey look it's ok man...you took a shot at a clever post and it missed the mark. Don't back peddle now. Just own it and move forward.

So facts and the truth don't matter to you?

You must be one of them.

I think you lost out in this exchange.

I think you have sheeyit for brains.
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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-24-2021 01:41 AM)PennyWise Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 12:03 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

No one is ass hurt. You lied and others with an agenda ran with it as a narrative.

Facts are facts. There was no line and you made one up. I’d be really curious as to who you “heard” it from, there are two companies in Vegas that set lines and several intermediate companies that help books with analytics to make sure they are covered on both sides of the bets.

There was no line and unless you have friends who work at the two major companies who have major NDAs and legal repercussions worse than the SEC about leaking lines, you are completely full of it.

It's called line speculation. I never claimed I knew a real oddsmaker or companies that set lines in Vegas (where the hell ya come with that beats me???). Anyone that has been around the game follows the tigers can usually take an educated guess at what the lines on our games will be within probably 3-4 points. The rumors or speculation of the line for this game I heard was just from friends and fellow tiger fans, so I came hear to see what fans here think the line may be. I didn't know it would upset you and start calling me a liar....obviously it did and your ass hurt. Go Tigers!

One man’s speculation is another’s BS.

Regardless, your “speculation” was used by others here who ran with it because they have an agenda against penny.
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(11-24-2021 08:26 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

espn gives us a 43.6% chance of winning.

that is odd, a 1.5 favorite should be about 52% I would think.
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(11-24-2021 09:00 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 08:26 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

espn gives us a 43.6% chance of winning.

that is odd, a 1.5 favorite should be about 52% I would think.

ESPN's index must use common core math.
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Vegas Insider prediction has it 75 - 69 Memphis.
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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-24-2021 01:41 AM)PennyWise Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 12:03 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

No one is ass hurt. You lied and others with an agenda ran with it as a narrative.

Facts are facts. There was no line and you made one up. I’d be really curious as to who you “heard” it from, there are two companies in Vegas that set lines and several intermediate companies that help books with analytics to make sure they are covered on both sides of the bets.

There was no line and unless you have friends who work at the two major companies who have major NDAs and legal repercussions worse than the SEC about leaking lines, you are completely full of it.

It's called line speculation. I never claimed I knew a real oddsmaker or companies that set lines in Vegas (where the hell ya come with that beats me???). Anyone that has been around the game follows the tigers can usually take an educated guess at what the lines on our games will be within probably 3-4 points. The rumors or speculation of the line for this game I heard was just from friends and fellow tiger fans, so I came hear to see what fans here think the line may be. I didn't know it would upset you and start calling me a liar....obviously it did and your ass hurt. Go Tigers!

You "heard?" Line speculation? NOT lying? 03-lmfao01-wingedeagle
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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-24-2021 08:51 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 01:41 AM)PennyWise Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 12:03 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

No one is ass hurt. You lied and others with an agenda ran with it as a narrative.

Facts are facts. There was no line and you made one up. I’d be really curious as to who you “heard” it from, there are two companies in Vegas that set lines and several intermediate companies that help books with analytics to make sure they are covered on both sides of the bets.

There was no line and unless you have friends who work at the two major companies who have major NDAs and legal repercussions worse than the SEC about leaking lines, you are completely full of it.

It's called line speculation. I never claimed I knew a real oddsmaker or companies that set lines in Vegas (where the hell ya come with that beats me???). Anyone that has been around the game follows the tigers can usually take an educated guess at what the lines on our games will be within probably 3-4 points. The rumors or speculation of the line for this game I heard was just from friends and fellow tiger fans, so I came hear to see what fans here think the line may be. I didn't know it would upset you and start calling me a liar....obviously it did and your ass hurt. Go Tigers!

One man’s speculation is another’s BS.

Regardless, your “speculation” was used by others here who ran with it because they have an agenda against penny.

I thought that I had heard everything, but this is on another level. Someone saying that they "heard" about a future point spread when none exists. The other hater comically (predictably) then jumps on the bandwagon saying that the imaginary point spread shows that Penny can't coach.
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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-24-2021 09:31 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 08:51 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 01:41 AM)PennyWise Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 12:03 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

No one is ass hurt. You lied and others with an agenda ran with it as a narrative.

Facts are facts. There was no line and you made one up. I’d be really curious as to who you “heard” it from, there are two companies in Vegas that set lines and several intermediate companies that help books with analytics to make sure they are covered on both sides of the bets.

There was no line and unless you have friends who work at the two major companies who have major NDAs and legal repercussions worse than the SEC about leaking lines, you are completely full of it.

It's called line speculation. I never claimed I knew a real oddsmaker or companies that set lines in Vegas (where the hell ya come with that beats me???). Anyone that has been around the game follows the tigers can usually take an educated guess at what the lines on our games will be within probably 3-4 points. The rumors or speculation of the line for this game I heard was just from friends and fellow tiger fans, so I came hear to see what fans here think the line may be. I didn't know it would upset you and start calling me a liar....obviously it did and your ass hurt. Go Tigers!

One man’s speculation is another’s BS.

Regardless, your “speculation” was used by others here who ran with it because they have an agenda against penny.

I thought that I had heard everything, but this is on another level. Someone saying that they "heard" about a future point spread when none exists. The other hater comically (predictably) then jumps on the bandwagon saying that the imaginary point spread shows that Penny can't coach.

He called it “line speculation.” It sounds so official!
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(11-24-2021 09:03 AM)No2rdame Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 09:00 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 08:26 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

espn gives us a 43.6% chance of winning.

that is odd, a 1.5 favorite should be about 52% I would think.

ESPN's index must use common core math.

ESPN's BPI estimates that we will have a season record of 20.4-8.6. That would be disappointing, considering they went 18-8 last season before heading to the NIT.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...rojections
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(11-23-2021 09:55 PM)TGTiger Wrote:  Do other college sports message boards have fans that make up narratives about non-existent lines because they don’t like the coach?

This is next level stuff folks. Impressive.

There are "fans" who didn't think Penny should get the job, and so they pull against "their team" to be proven right.
Then there are posers who were never fans to begin with. We have a lot of $EC trolls here. Probably more than other boards - which speaks to their insecurities when it comes to Memphis.
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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-24-2021 09:41 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 09:03 AM)No2rdame Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 09:00 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 08:26 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

espn gives us a 43.6% chance of winning.

that is odd, a 1.5 favorite should be about 52% I would think.

ESPN's index must use common core math.

ESPN's BPI estimates that we will have a season record of 20.4-8.6. That would be disappointing, considering they went 18-8 last season before heading to the NIT.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...rojections

ESPN's BPI is hot garbage right now. It is always a head scratcher, even at the end of the year. But this early in the year, it's nonsense. They have a 3-2 team ranked #2. I know, I know. "Good losses". That ranks right there with "moral victories". This early in the year with so many remaining undefeated teams, it's stoopid to have a team barely above .500 at #2. (They've got another 3-2 team sitting at #7.) Don't waste your time on their page.
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ESPN's game odds, which are based on BPI, have bounced around all week. A few days ago it was right at 50-50, then Tech was at 54, then 51, now 56. Neither team has played a game during that time period. As Tiger87 pointed out, it's hot garbage this early in the season.
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(11-22-2021 11:05 AM)Oman Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 10:01 AM)mairving Wrote:  Va Tech plays at one of the slowest tempos in College Basketball. We play at one of the fastest. Usually slow pace wins out. Need to figure out ways to speed it up.

i've watched the "summaries" from a couple games, read the preseason forecasts, etc. VaTech is a solid division one team, they should make the tourney and win a game or two. i don't see any NBA types on the roster, but they are solid.

IF we play under control, we have the better "talent" and should win the game. Experience can overcome talent, but our lineup is experienced as well ( with the exception of perhaps our two best players ), Nolley, Williams, Lomax and Q have been through the wars and shouldn't get rattled. on a neutral court we will be favored, i'm guessing by 5-6... and a win would be a job well done.

IF we turn the ball over 20 times we likely lose.
Unfortunately for us, we average 20+
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Tigers by 12
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(11-24-2021 10:59 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Tigers by 12

That should be the expectation...If we are only 1.5 points better than V. Tech our aspirations of making a run to final four are not logical.

We should beat this team by double digits if both teams play their best game.
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(11-24-2021 11:26 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 10:59 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Tigers by 12

That should be the expectation...If we are only 1.5 points better than V. Tech our aspirations of making a run to final four are not logical.

We should beat this team by double digits if both teams play their best game.

I completely disagree. First, Virginia Tech returns its top 8 scorers, with 6 of them being seniors or juniors. We return 3 out of our top 6 scorers, our top 2 scorers are freshmen, and 5 out of our top 8 scorers are freshmen or sophmores.

Quote:We should beat this team by double digits if both teams play their best game.

In their first test against good competition, Anderson, CDR and Dozier went 4-12 from the field. In his first test against good competition, DWash went 4-12 from the field with 1 assist and 6 turnovers. In his first test against good competition, Sean Banks went 2-11 from the field. Rose went 4-12 from the field against Oklahoma. Tyreke went 4-16 from the field against Xavier.

Quote:If we are only 1.5 points better than V. Tech our aspirations of making a run to final four are not logical.

The 2007 team started 8-3 and went 25-1 the rest of the way. The 2009 team started 6-3 and went 27-1 the rest of the way.

I would say that Virginia Tech has an infinitely better chance to play their best game, than we do. Why would anyone imagine that with so many newcomers; we are going to play our best game the 5th game of the season? Why would anyone imagine that our 5th game will have any bearing on what kind of a team we are this year?

I don't understand how anyone thinks it makes sense to live and die by our 5th game of the season.
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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-24-2021 09:31 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 08:51 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 01:41 AM)PennyWise Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 12:03 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 10:16 PM)PennyWise Wrote:  To anyone who is ass hurt over me saying I had “heard” early rumors the line may have us under dog, it was not meant to push a false narrative. It was merely me wanting to talk about Vegas’s perception of our team and how much they believe in our ranking. Hell I wish we were underdog so our tigers could have that much more reason to be pissed off. 1.5 is very close to being an underdog so hopefully they come out with their nuts screwed on tight!

No one is ass hurt. You lied and others with an agenda ran with it as a narrative.

Facts are facts. There was no line and you made one up. I’d be really curious as to who you “heard” it from, there are two companies in Vegas that set lines and several intermediate companies that help books with analytics to make sure they are covered on both sides of the bets.

There was no line and unless you have friends who work at the two major companies who have major NDAs and legal repercussions worse than the SEC about leaking lines, you are completely full of it.

It's called line speculation. I never claimed I knew a real oddsmaker or companies that set lines in Vegas (where the hell ya come with that beats me???). Anyone that has been around the game follows the tigers can usually take an educated guess at what the lines on our games will be within probably 3-4 points. The rumors or speculation of the line for this game I heard was just from friends and fellow tiger fans, so I came hear to see what fans here think the line may be. I didn't know it would upset you and start calling me a liar....obviously it did and your ass hurt. Go Tigers!

One man’s speculation is another’s BS.

Regardless, your “speculation” was used by others here who ran with it because they have an agenda against penny.

I thought that I had heard everything, but this is on another level. Someone saying that they "heard" about a future point spread when none exists. The other hater comically (predictably) then jumps on the bandwagon saying that the imaginary point spread shows that Penny can't coach.

Don’t be a dick head all your life.
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RE: VaTech game discussion
(11-24-2021 09:41 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 09:31 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 08:51 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 01:41 AM)PennyWise Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 12:03 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  No one is ass hurt. You lied and others with an agenda ran with it as a narrative.

Facts are facts. There was no line and you made one up. I’d be really curious as to who you “heard” it from, there are two companies in Vegas that set lines and several intermediate companies that help books with analytics to make sure they are covered on both sides of the bets.

There was no line and unless you have friends who work at the two major companies who have major NDAs and legal repercussions worse than the SEC about leaking lines, you are completely full of it.

It's called line speculation. I never claimed I knew a real oddsmaker or companies that set lines in Vegas (where the hell ya come with that beats me???). Anyone that has been around the game follows the tigers can usually take an educated guess at what the lines on our games will be within probably 3-4 points. The rumors or speculation of the line for this game I heard was just from friends and fellow tiger fans, so I came hear to see what fans here think the line may be. I didn't know it would upset you and start calling me a liar....obviously it did and your ass hurt. Go Tigers!

One man’s speculation is another’s BS.

Regardless, your “speculation” was used by others here who ran with it because they have an agenda against penny.

I thought that I had heard everything, but this is on another level. Someone saying that they "heard" about a future point spread when none exists. The other hater comically (predictably) then jumps on the bandwagon saying that the imaginary point spread shows that Penny can't coach.

He called it “line speculation.” It sounds so official!

Sorry I used a word that’s not in your vocabulary, ya hillbilly
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