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All those numbers and stats aside...the NFL is a QB first league so Rid will get drafted higher than most of us probably expect. You can't coach his athleticism. You can't coach his leadership. You can't coach his desire to win and his competitiveness. You can't coach his passion to learn and improve and take coaching. You can coach his footwork. His throwing motion. His eyes/reads. His mental adjustment to NFL schemes, etc. If he finishes the year strong it wouldn't surprise me if he is a day one draftee or early day 2 one by any means. How he will translate to success in the NFL? Have no clue. I just think it's absolutely cool that a UC QB is that highly regarded. Thank you Coach Grubbs LOL!
 
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I've been convinced Des won't make it in the NFL until this year. Listen to his post game pressers too, he's learning how to read coverages and is starting to look good doing it. Accuracy issues remain but his deep ball is way better. I think the Josh Allen comparison is actually a good one and one I've made before. Both Des and Allen tend to be innacurrate because they try to throw the **** out of every ball. And Des for the most part overthrows his deep balls. That's a lot easier to fix. Finally, Des has gotten extremely good at keeping his eyes down field on scrambles and staying calm in the pocket under pressure. A lot of these improvements are also leading to issues - sometimes Des tries to throw on the scramble when he has 4-5 easy yards to gain, sometimes he misreads coverages and throws a pick, and he's probably taken a few too many coverage sacks. Honestly many of the same issues we see with Burrow right now.
 
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(11-22-2021 12:30 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I think all football should be viewed from the endzone. He misses so many throws that should be completions. Just flat out misses them. You can see it so easy looking straight on. That's how it looks when you are playing it. There's a reason Madden does it that way. His reads are good. His execution is sometimes not.

I watch from behind but we're not seeing the same thing. Two years ago I'd have agreed with you. He missed a ton of guys. He'll sail an occasional ball or two. (The second drive pass with Scott). He just missed a long, crossing route with Pierce yesterday and barely missed a tough fade with Lenny for a TD (if Lenny saw it sooner her still might get it for a TD, just a little too far over his left shoulder but that was away from the coverage so it's was the spot to miss). Other than those few throws his ball placement was pretty impeccable. It has been most the season.
 
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(11-22-2021 01:02 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 12:30 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I think all football should be viewed from the endzone. He misses so many throws that should be completions. Just flat out misses them. You can see it so easy looking straight on. That's how it looks when you are playing it. There's a reason Madden does it that way. His reads are good. His execution is sometimes not.

I watch from behind but we're not seeing the same thing. Two years ago I'd have agreed with you. He missed a ton of guys. He'll sail an occasional ball or two. (The second drive pass with Scott). He just missed a long, crossing route with Pierce yesterday and barely missed a tough fade with Lenny for a TD (if Lenny saw it sooner her still might get it for a TD, just a little too far over his left shoulder but that was away from the coverage so it's was the spot to miss). Other than those few throws his ball placement was pretty impeccable. It has been most the season.

Agree to disagree. We are absolutely not seeing the same thing at all. I saw a lot of mistimed throws and a handful of overthrows. After saying "That's a throw he needs to make" the 7th/8th time, the guys with me said "you are right and we get it".

He's good, but he could be ALOT better.
 
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(11-22-2021 01:02 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 12:30 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I think all football should be viewed from the endzone. He misses so many throws that should be completions. Just flat out misses them. You can see it so easy looking straight on. That's how it looks when you are playing it. There's a reason Madden does it that way. His reads are good. His execution is sometimes not.

I watch from behind but we're not seeing the same thing. Two years ago I'd have agreed with you. He missed a ton of guys. He'll sail an occasional ball or two. (The second drive pass with Scott). He just missed a long, crossing route with Pierce yesterday and barely missed a tough fade with Lenny for a TD (if Lenny saw it sooner her still might get it for a TD, just a little too far over his left shoulder but that was away from the coverage so it's was the spot to miss). Other than those few throws his ball placement was pretty impeccable. It has been most the season.

He really struggles with the flag route and really any toss prior to a break...but he has missed the flag/corner route about 10 times this year and twice against SMU. I love the kid, I would just really not be thrilled if my team drafted him.
 
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(11-22-2021 01:15 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 01:02 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 12:30 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I think all football should be viewed from the endzone. He misses so many throws that should be completions. Just flat out misses them. You can see it so easy looking straight on. That's how it looks when you are playing it. There's a reason Madden does it that way. His reads are good. His execution is sometimes not.

I watch from behind but we're not seeing the same thing. Two years ago I'd have agreed with you. He missed a ton of guys. He'll sail an occasional ball or two. (The second drive pass with Scott). He just missed a long, crossing route with Pierce yesterday and barely missed a tough fade with Lenny for a TD (if Lenny saw it sooner her still might get it for a TD, just a little too far over his left shoulder but that was away from the coverage so it's was the spot to miss). Other than those few throws his ball placement was pretty impeccable. It has been most the season.

Agree to disagree. We are absolutely not seeing the same thing at all. I saw a lot of mistimed throws and a handful of overthrows. After saying "That's a throw he needs to make" the 7th/8th time, the guys with me said "you are right and we get it".

He's good, but he could be ALOT better.

7 or 8 times on 6 incompletions is a hell of a thing.
 
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(11-22-2021 01:17 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 01:15 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 01:02 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 12:30 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I think all football should be viewed from the endzone. He misses so many throws that should be completions. Just flat out misses them. You can see it so easy looking straight on. That's how it looks when you are playing it. There's a reason Madden does it that way. His reads are good. His execution is sometimes not.

I watch from behind but we're not seeing the same thing. Two years ago I'd have agreed with you. He missed a ton of guys. He'll sail an occasional ball or two. (The second drive pass with Scott). He just missed a long, crossing route with Pierce yesterday and barely missed a tough fade with Lenny for a TD (if Lenny saw it sooner her still might get it for a TD, just a little too far over his left shoulder but that was away from the coverage so it's was the spot to miss). Other than those few throws his ball placement was pretty impeccable. It has been most the season.

Agree to disagree. We are absolutely not seeing the same thing at all. I saw a lot of mistimed throws and a handful of overthrows. After saying "That's a throw he needs to make" the 7th/8th time, the guys with me said "you are right and we get it".

He's good, but he could be ALOT better.

7 or 8 times on 6 incompletions is a hell of a thing.

Just because they catch it, doesn't make it a good throw.
 
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I'm baffled by how anyone could watch the game yesterday and not be incredibly impressed by the throws Ridder was making. I rewatched the game with Orlovsky talking about it and he repeatedly pointed out the great ball placement on difficult throws and the footwork Des showed leading to that placement. He was pretty close to perfect yesterday. The Scott miss was the only bad miss.

Look at how small the window was on the second Pierce TD.

Watch the anticipation and perfect placement on the seem route with Tre Tucker just beating the coverage.

Go back to both tre tucker catches over the middle where he throws two tight window throws to the best possible spot to beat the coverage in two different places. The first just behind Tre where if he leads him Tre gets absolutely wrecked (he still got hit but could protect himself and the ball), and one leading him just out of the reach of two defenders where Tre makes a great extended hand catch.
 
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(11-22-2021 12:44 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  All those numbers and stats aside...the NFL is a QB first league so Rid will get drafted higher than most of us probably expect. You can't coach his athleticism. You can't coach his leadership. You can't coach his desire to win and his competitiveness. You can't coach his passion to learn and improve and take coaching. You can coach his footwork. His throwing motion. His eyes/reads. His mental adjustment to NFL schemes, etc. If he finishes the year strong it wouldn't surprise me if he is a day one draftee or early day 2 one by any means. How he will translate to success in the NFL? Have no clue. I just think it's absolutely cool that a UC QB is that highly regarded. Thank you Coach Grubbs LOL!

I agree with the bolded part. He's going to blow someone away in the process. I think he's a 4-5th round prospect who gets drafted mid 2nd-3rd round. I agree he's got impeccable character. That said we're not talking about a young prospect. He's a 5th year player and is going to probably be top 10 all time in QB starts. Josh Allen has been brought up, which I already said is crazy because he's got all time arm talent, but Allen is 25 and in his 4th NFL season. Des isn't much younger than Allen who's already taken a team to the conference finals and contended for an MVP.

I'd love Des if I'm looking for a hard working backup who I can develop a plan around his strengths so my team doesn't go 0-3 if my starter's out for an extended period. I'd hate drafting him in the second day where you're hoping he becomes a starter. I think he's got good athleticism, I think he's got good accuracy on zone routes where the WR can sit. I don't think he's ever had good timing or accuracy on short routes and while they get completed don't give your receiver the opportunity to get upfield. His deep ball has definitely improved but I don't think it's great. If we were a 20 year old junior I'd be confident in further development. The fact that he's played so much football to me limits what more I think I can get.
 
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Apparently their play by play grades are matching what I've been seeing the last few weeks. Ridder has been on point.
 
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(11-22-2021 01:22 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I'm baffled by how anyone could watch the game yesterday and not be incredibly impressed by the throws Ridder was making. I rewatched the game with Orlovsky talking about it and he repeatedly pointed out the great ball placement on difficult throws and the footwork Des showed leading to that placement. He was pretty close to perfect yesterday. The Scott miss was the only bad miss.

Look at how small the window was on the second Pierce TD.

Watch the anticipation and perfect placement on the seem route with Tre Tucker just beating the coverage.

Go back to both tre tucker catches over the middle where he throws two tight window throws to the best possible spot to beat the coverage in two different places. The first just behind Tre where if he leads him Tre gets absolutely wrecked (he still got hit but could protect himself and the ball), and one leading him just out of the reach of two defenders where Tre makes a great extended hand catch.

I'm baffled by how easily you are incredibly impressed. lol I'm kidding.

To me it's pretty obvious that he has timing and accuracy issues. I'm not the only one saying it. To me that's the most important part of being a QB. How he was ever discussed as a Heisman/1st Round pick, I'll never understand. I'm judging him based on those observations. I doubt he ever becomes more than a spot starter in the NFL, and not for long at that.

All in all, still a really nice player, and an All-Time Great Bearcat.
 
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As others have said, I believe that Ridder's best opportunity is to be drafted by a team with a solid starter, where he can spend a few years refining and growing his craft as a backup. He's been on a continual upward trajectory, and that's likely to keep going in the NFL. Hell, if he can at least be a Turk Schonert (as I show my age), that's a pretty damn solid career.
 
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(11-22-2021 01:19 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 01:17 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 01:15 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 01:02 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-22-2021 12:30 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I think all football should be viewed from the endzone. He misses so many throws that should be completions. Just flat out misses them. You can see it so easy looking straight on. That's how it looks when you are playing it. There's a reason Madden does it that way. His reads are good. His execution is sometimes not.

I watch from behind but we're not seeing the same thing. Two years ago I'd have agreed with you. He missed a ton of guys. He'll sail an occasional ball or two. (The second drive pass with Scott). He just missed a long, crossing route with Pierce yesterday and barely missed a tough fade with Lenny for a TD (if Lenny saw it sooner her still might get it for a TD, just a little too far over his left shoulder but that was away from the coverage so it's was the spot to miss). Other than those few throws his ball placement was pretty impeccable. It has been most the season.

Agree to disagree. We are absolutely not seeing the same thing at all. I saw a lot of mistimed throws and a handful of overthrows. After saying "That's a throw he needs to make" the 7th/8th time, the guys with me said "you are right and we get it".

He's good, but he could be ALOT better.

7 or 8 times on 6 incompletions is a hell of a thing.

Just because they catch it, doesn't make it a good throw.

This is just silly.
 
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I'm a Steelers' fan, and while I am not convinced Ridder is a replacement for Roethlisberger, he is already miles ahead of the Steelers' backup quarterback.

Ridder will get drafted high.
 
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(11-22-2021 02:15 PM)geef Wrote:  As others have said, I believe that Ridder's best opportunity is to be drafted by a team with a solid starter, where he can spend a few years refining and growing his craft as a backup. He's been on a continual upward trajectory, and that's likely to keep going in the NFL. Hell, if he can at least be a Turk Schonert (as I show my age), that's a pretty damn solid career.

modern day Colt McCoy?
 
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So many self proclaimed talent experts here.
 
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(11-22-2021 03:13 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  So many self proclaimed talent experts here.

Not me! I've never pretended to be that. It's simply my opinion. I usually leave a disclaimer saying, no one ever pays for my opinion.

BearcatMan and BearcatMark though, usually have great perspective.
 
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It's hard to judge who's opinion is good and who are not. Mel Kyper had Sauce as his #5 CB in the draft. He may not be the 1st CB taken, but he won't drop to 5. Ridder will go higher than what the experts predict. I saw something saying Pearce was a round 1 receiver.

Who really knows where these guys will go in the draft.
 
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The system is a big factor as well. It you play zone 90% of the time Sauce might not be your guy. If you play man he’s your #1 choice at CB.
 
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(11-22-2021 05:09 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  The system is a big factor as well. It you play zone 90% of the time Sauce might not be your guy. If you play man he’s your #1 choice at CB.

I think the recent run of OSU corners basically getting thrown on the trash heap within a year or two of making it into the NFL playing the same system has made a lot of people overscrutinize man-only CBs.
 
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