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Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
From an OVERALL Perspective...

While there were only six teams who were eliminated this week, and only a few upsets at the highest levels, there were a number of teams in the middle of the I-AA pack who blew their chances at securing their At-Large spots and join a crowded field of 6 and 7 win teams. There is a bigger breakdown at the end of this article, but there will be a number of teams that are very close to getting in...which will definitely lead to arguments before/during/after the selection show.

To make the playoffs you have to either win a conference Automatic Qualifier (AQ) spot or receive an At-Large bid. To be eligible for an At-Large, technically you need to have at least 6 wins. However, it is very difficult for a 6-win team to claim a spot. Most years, there are enough teams with 7+ wins and a decent resume. (And on my charts, the only games that are considered to be wins are ones against D1 teams – lower division wins do not count. So they are basically the same as losses.) This year, there are 11 AQ spots (an increase of one due to the ASUN/WAC “challenge”) and 13 At-Large spots.

From a JMU Perspective...

JMU was already a lock for a playoff spot entering the final weekend, so all focus turned to earning the highest Seed possible. The first task was beating Towson. A loss in JMU’s final real CAA game ever could very easily have knocked JMU out of the Seed race entirely, but fortunately the Dukes crushed Towson by 46 points.

Then, we needed to watch to see if there were any upsets amongst fellow Top 5 teams. Sam Houston had no problem with Abilene Christian, so that likely locks up the #1 Seed for them. (They are the defending champ and the only undefeated team in I-AA, so it would be a shock to see them any lower than the top spot.) JMU did receive some excellent help, though, by having Montana knock off Montana State by a good margin. That will definitely drop Montana State out of the Top 5.

Unfortunately, there were not too many other upsets in upper echelons of I-AA, so while a high Seed is almost certain (there are only two other teams with ten D1 wins), it will be difficult to get into the heads of the Committee.

But more on that at the end of the article...


By the Numbers (108 total teams)...

Teams Alive for any Playoff spot:
10/24 – 91
10/31 – 74
11/7 – 65
11/14 – 50
11/21 – 44

Teams Alive for an At-Large spot:
10/24 – 74
10/31 – 66
11/7 – 61
11/14 – 47
11/21 – 33

Teams that have reached 6 wins (without clinching a conference):
10/24 – 11
10/31 – 19
11/7 – 28
11/14 – 29
11/21 – 33


Here's the overall playoff eligibility list. The number in parenthesis after a team is how many more losses they can have before they can't reach 6 wins. Teams that are in RED cannot reach 6 wins and therefore must win their conference AQ. When a team reaches 6 wins, I will list them in GREEN. When a team clinches an AQ spot, I will list them in BLUE.

Clinched Conference Titles
ASUN/WAC – Sam Houston State
Big Sky – Sacramento State
Big South – Kennesaw State
CAA – Villanova
MVC – NDSU
NEC – Sacred Heart
OVC – Tenn-Martin
Patriot – Holy Cross
Pioneer – Davidson
SoCon – ETSU
Southland – Incarnate Word


CAA Football (7 Teams Alive)
Villanova – 9 wins – clinched AQ
JMU – 10 wins
URI – 7 wins
W&M – 6 wins
Elon – 6 wins
Richmond – 6 wins
Maine – 6 wins


ASUN/WAC (3 Teams Alive)
Sam Houston State – 10 wins – clinched AQ
EKU – 7 wins
Stephen F. Austin – 7 wins


Big Sky (6 Teams Alive)
Sacramento State – 9 wins – clinched AQ
Montana State – 9 wins
Montana – 9 wins
UC Davis – 8 wins
EWU – 8 wins
Weber State – 6 wins


Big South (2 Teams Alive)
Kennesaw State – 9 wins – clinched AQ
Monmouth – 7 wins

MEAC (0 Teams Alive – No AQ)
SC State – 6 wins – clinched “bowl” game

MVC (6 Teams Alive)
NDSU – 10 wins – clinched AQ
Missouri State – 8 wins
South Dakota – 7 wins
SIU – 7 wins
SDSU – 7 wins
No. Iowa – 6 wins


NEC (3 Teams Alive)
Sacred Heart – 8 wins – clinched AQ
Bryant – 7 wins
Duquesne – 6 wins


OVC (3 Teams Alive)
Tenn.-Martin – 9 wins – clinched AQ
Austin Peay – 6 wins
Murray State – 6 wins


Patriot League (2 Teams Alive)
Holy Cross – 9 wins – clinched AQ
Fordham – 6 wins

Pioneer League (4 Teams Alive)
Davidson – 7 wins – clinched AQ
San Diego – 7 wins
Morehead State – 6 wins
Dayton – 6 wins


SoCon (5 Teams Alive)
ETSU – 9 wins – clinched AQ
Mercer – 6 wins
Chattanooga – 6 wins
VMI – 6 wins
Furman – 6 wins


Southland (3 Teams Alive)
Incarnate Word – 9 wins – clinched AQ
SE Louisiana – 8 wins
Nicholls State – 6 wins




Finished with 10 wins (without winning AQ):
JMU

Finished with 9 wins (without winning AQ):
Montana
Montana State

Finished with 8 wins (without winning AQ):
SE Louisiana
UC Davis
EWU
Missouri State

Finished with 7 wins (without winning AQ):
URI
EKU
Stephen F. Austin
Monmouth
South Dakota
SIU
SDSU
Bryant
San Diego

Finished with 6 wins (without winning AQ):
W&M
Elon
Richmond
Maine
No. Iowa
Duquesne
Austin Peay
Murray State
Fordham
Morehead State
Dayton
Mercer
Chattanooga
VMI
Furman
Nicholls State
Weber State



Completely Eliminated from the Playoffs (Teams in RED were eliminated this past week)
North Alabama (transitioning to I-AA until 2022)
Merrimack (transitioning to I-AA until 2023)
Dixie State (transitioning to I-AA until 2024)
Tarleton State (transitioning to I-AA until 2024)
St. Thomas (transitioning to I-AA until 2024)
McNeese State (postseason ban for low APR)
Albany
UNH
Towson
Stony Brook
Delaware
Jacksonville State

Central Ark
Lamar
Abilene Christian
Northern Colorado
Idaho
Cal Poly
Southern Utah
Idaho State
Portland State
Northern Arizona
NC A&T
Gardner-Webb
Hampton
Campbell
Charleston Southern
Robert Morris
Howard
Morgan State
Delaware State
NC Central
Norfolk State
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
W. Illinois
North Dakota
StFU

Wagner
CCSU
LIU
Tenn. State
SE Missouri State
EIU
Tenn. Tech
Lafayette
Georgetown
Lehigh
Bucknell
Colgate
Drake
Butler
Presbyterian
Valparaiso
Stetson
Marist
Western Carolina
Wofford
Citadel
Samford
Houston Baptist
NW State

Going for Perfection (no losses of any type)
Sam Houston

Race to the Bottom (an 0-fer season)
Wagner
Houston Baptist

Conference Analysis

CAA Football – All Villanova needed to do to get the AQ was beat rival Delaware. While it required a 4th quarter comeback, they were able to do it. That also prevents Delaware from getting their 6th win, so they have been eliminated. Of course, JMU also won – so they finish with a tie for the conference title. But we knew coming into this weekend that both Villanova and JMU were heading to the playoffs. The big question was whether any other CAA teams would join them – specifically W&M and URI. At one point, W&M was 6-2 with a great win over Villanova. However, by falling to the Ticks in the final week, they have now lost three games in a row. URI also had a three game losing streak after a strong season start, but they had seemed to turn things around when they were able to beat bad teams in UMass and UNH. If they could beat Elon in the final week, they likely would have had a strong enough resume to get an At-Large. But it was not to be. Elon won by two scores to crush URI’s chances. Looking at the overall picture, I have trouble seeing either W&M or URI making it into the playoffs. Both of them finished 4-4 in CAA...and it’s hard to see a team make it in who can’t even finish .500 in their conference. The same thing is true for Maine – who beat W&M and URI, but lost to Elon and Stony Brook. Elon was able to finish with 6 wins and did finish with a record of 5-3 in the CAA, but they had a horrific loss to Wofford in the first week of the season...which was Wofford’s only win of the season. If Elon had won that game, they would have 7 wins and be in the bubble conversation. But 6 wins and a loss to one of the worst teams in I-AA is not enough.

ASUN/WAC – Sam Houston had already clinched the AQ, so all they had to do was beat a weak Abilene Christian team to lock in the #1 Seed. They had no problem. On the bubble in this conference are EKU and Stephen F Austin. Both teams won their 7th game this week. None of the wins are spectacular, but then neither are any of the losses. These teams will solidly be in the At-Large conversation, although Stephen F Austin will have the edge due to them winning the head-to-head.

Big Sky – Montana knocking off Montana State is not really that big of an upset, but it does at least make the AQ race easy to figure out. Sacramento State wins that due to going 8-0 in the conference. They have some good wins (Montana, UC Davis) and neither of their 2 losses were bad ones. Finishing atop a strong conference such as the Big Sky puts them in a good position for a high Seed. Montana and Montana State both finish with 9 wins, so they will both easily get in to the playoffs – with real possibilities for Seeds for both teams. UC Davis and EWU both have 8 wins – including wins over I-A teams. EWU has also beaten Montana and UC Davis. They should get in easily. UC Davis, however, also has a terrible loss to 1-10 Idaho State. That is going to put them at a huge disadvantage. If they’re going to get in, they will be team #5 from the Big Sky. Weber State is also alive, but only having 6 wins – and meaning that they would have to be team #6 from this conference – which I just can’t see happening.

Big South – Kennesaw and Monmouth played each other for the AQ in the final week – with Kennesaw coming out on top. Kennesaw does have 9 wins, but none of them are that great, so I do not see them as a candidate for a Seed. As for Monmouth, none of their 4 losses are bad, but none of their 7 wins are that great. And getting beaten by 32 points in their final week doesn’t help their case.

MEAC – To make the playoffs, a MEAC team cannot win the conference title (which would send them to the HBCU “bowl” game) and they have to have a very strong resume. SC State just won the conference, so they are going to the Celebration Bowl. No one else can even reach 6 wins.

MVC – Not surprisingly, NDSU won the AQ. Much more surprising was SIU losing again. They have now lost 3 of their last 4 games – and their loss this weekend to Youngstown State was the worst one by far. They are at 7-4 and might be disappointed on Sunday. Also sitting with 7 wins are South Dakota and South Dakota State. They both have some good wins – SDSU beat NDSU while South Dakota beat SDSU – and no terrible losses. Missouri State finished with 8 wins – including in their final four games. Two of their losses are understandable, but they also have a really bad loss to Youngstown. Finishing with 8 wins instead of 7 might be the difference to them getting in versus them being done for the season. Finally, there is Northern Iowa. They always seem to be right on the bubble, but this year will be very tough for them. They only have 6 wins (even though some of them are strong) and are only at 4-4 in the conference.

NEC – Sacred Heart was able to clinch the AQ with a win over LIU in the final weekend. They won’t be a Seeded team, though. Bryant and Duquesne both finished with enough wins to be eligible for an At-Large, but neither of them have a chance.

OVC – I had mentioned a few weeks ago that I felt SEMO was much more dangerous than their record indicated and Tenn-Martin found that out in the final week with a 17-point upset. That loss also ends any claim of Tenn-Martin for a Seed (which would have been a tough argument to begin with). Murray State and Austin Peay both finished with 6 wins, but I don’t think that will be enough.


Patriot – Holy Cross already clinched the AQ and Fordham’s resume is not strong enough for an At-Large. Next...

Pioneer – Davidson was able to wrap up the AQ by beating Drake. Unfortunately for San Diego, before they went on a seven game winning streak, they lost their first four games – culminating with a loss to Davidson – which is what gave Davidson the AQ. The Pioneer is not a conference that earns At-Large spots and this year will be no different.

SoCon – ETSU and Mercer played for the AQ this weekend with ETSU winning. They’ll be going to the playoffs with 9 wins. Surprisingly, none of the other contending SoCon teams stepped up to make a strong At-Large claim. While Furman won, Mercer, Chatty, and VMI all lost. Those four teams each finish with only 6 wins. I would certainly be shocked to see no At-Large bids come from the SoCon, but there might be room for only one of these four to get in. Mercer finished in 2nd place and beat both Furman and Chatty, so I would give them the edge.

Southland – Incarnate Word won the AQ on Thursday when SELA lost to Nicholls State. Incarnate Word will not get a Seed, bu the more important question here is “What happens to SELA?” Their resume is quite weak – even with 8 wins. (Beating up on the Southland teams that the ASUN and WAC didn’t want is not very impressive.) They are on the bubble now and we’ll have to look at the next section to see what happens to them...


My Playoff Picks:

With the 11 AQ spots decided, we need to figure out the 13 At-Large teams. We start with the 33 teams alive for an At-Large spot and then take away the ones who really have no shot. (This would be the NEC, OVC, Patriot, and Pioneer teams.) That gets us down to 25 teams. Then knock off the 6th place teams from the Big Sky and MVC to get us to these 23:


*JMU – 10 wins
*Montana – 9 wins
*Montana State – 9 wins
SE Louisiana – 8 wins
UC Davis – 8 wins
*EWU – 8 wins
*Missouri State – 8 wins
URI – 7 wins
EKU – 7 wins
Stephen F. Austin – 7 wins
Monmouth – 7 wins
*South Dakota – 7 wins
SIU – 7 wins
*SDSU – 7 wins
W&M – 6 wins
Elon – 6 wins
Richmond – 6 wins
Maine – 6 wins
*Mercer – 6 wins
Chattanooga – 6 wins
VMI – 6 wins
Furman – 6 wins
Nicholls State – 6 wins


The teams that have an * before it are teams that I feel are locks, so that brings us to the following 15 teams for only 5 remaining spots:

SE Louisiana – 8 wins
UC Davis – 8 wins
URI – 7 wins
EKU – 7 wins
Stephen F. Austin – 7 wins
Monmouth – 7 wins
SIU – 7 wins
W&M – 6 wins
Elon – 6 wins
Richmond – 6 wins
Maine – 6 wins
Chattanooga – 6 wins
VMI – 6 wins
Furman – 6 wins
Nicholls State – 6 wins


If I had to pick five of them, I would go with Stephen F Austin, UC Davis, SELA, SIU, and Chatty.

Ultimately, here are my picks for Seeds and First-Round match-ups (if I got to make the choices):

Seeds
Seed #1 – Sam Houston
Seed #2 – NDSU
Seed #3JMU
Seed #4 – Villanova
Seed #5 – Sacramento State
Seed #6 – Montana
Seed #7 – Missouri State
Seed #8 – Montana State

Round 1
South Dakota
UC Davis
– winner goes to Montana State

SIU
Stephen F. Austin
– winner goes to NDSU

SDSU
EWU
– winner goes to Sacramento State

SELA
Mercer
– winner goes to Missouri State

Chattanooga
Kennesaw State
– winner goes to JMU

Sacred Heart
Holy Cross
– winner goes to Villanova

Davidson
Tenn-Martin
– winner goes to Montana

ETSU
Incarnate Word
– winner goes to Sam Houston State
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RE: Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
I understand why the committee will rank NDSU above the dukes, but their loss is wayyyyyy worse than ours. Sure they have better wins, but we have a better OOC win.
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I predict NDSU gets the easiest path possible. FCS wants their cash cow selling tickets in Frisco.
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RE: Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
Why is MEAC listed with SC State but no mention of the SWAC?
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(11-21-2021 10:44 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Why is MEAC listed with SC State but no mention of the SWAC?

The SWAC never participates...they even have 3 regular games scheduled for next weekend. (Grambling vs Southern is always the Saturday after Thanksgiving.)
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(11-21-2021 09:51 AM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  I understand why the committee will rank NDSU above the dukes, but their loss is wayyyyyy worse than ours. Sure they have better wins, but we have a better OOC win.

I still think we have a 30-40% chance of #2.

Working for us: Poll rankings, close loss to seeded team that we should have won, better win against common opponent (Towson).

Working against us: NDSU brand, MVC perception, "ranked" wins, possibly SOS, NDSU AD on the committee.

Wild card: NCAA SRS/SOS score. This could tip the scale, and it is possible we edge out NDSU on this, it's happened before. Believe margin of victory is a component of this rating.
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(11-21-2021 11:08 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 10:44 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Why is MEAC listed with SC State but no mention of the SWAC?

The SWAC never participates...they even have 3 regular games scheduled for next weekend. (Grambling vs Southern is always the Saturday after Thanksgiving.)

Oh wow I knew their champ did celebration bowl, but didn’t realize they literally will not send a playoff participant otherwise. So FAMU isn’t in the mix?
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RE: Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
I really don’t understand why so many of you keep seeding NDSU ahead of JMU and Nova. NDSU beat Albany, Towson and Valpo out of conference. We all know how weak Albany and Towson are. JMU played Towson and Morehead. Beat Towson by a wider margin. Morehead beat Valpo yesterday by 13. NDSU lost to a team that isn’t in the top 10 by 8 and was down 24-7 in that game scoring the last five points to make the game look closer than it was. JMU lost by one to arguably the #2 seed in this tournament. JMU was the better team last spring making it to the semifinals while NDSU was eliminated in the quarterfinals by the same team that eliminated JMU.

There is talk about two MVC teams having bad losses to YSU. Well one win is a fluke but two suggests that maybe the MVFC isn’t as strong as it is made up to be. JMU has beaten every MVFC it has played since 2016 with the only two losses being to NDSU during that time. Why so much love for the MVC? Are they better than the CAA? Probably but not by the wide margin some would suggest and certainly not better than JMU or Villanova this year.

NDSU is clearly the 4 seed by any reasonable matrix this year. They don’t deserve a higher seed for playing a weak out of conference schedule and losing comfortably to SDSU. JMU went on the road to beat a good Weber State team comfortably. Campbell and Morehead are better wins than Valpo and Albany. Please stop giving in to the NDSU love because of their past accomplishments. This is 2021 and NDSU isn’t a top 3 seed based on the season just completed. I understand the committee may vote that way but they are dead wrong if they do. JMU and Nova would both win the MVC this year if given the chance to do so.
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PS- There is an argument for Sac St. to be seeded higher than NDSU having gone 8-0 in the Big Sky. Not sure who they dodged with the uneven schedule in that league though.
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(11-21-2021 11:30 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 11:08 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 10:44 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Why is MEAC listed with SC State but no mention of the SWAC?

The SWAC never participates...they even have 3 regular games scheduled for next weekend. (Grambling vs Southern is always the Saturday after Thanksgiving.)

Oh wow I knew their champ did celebration bowl, but didn’t realize they literally will not send a playoff participant otherwise. So FAMU isn’t in the mix?

There is actually a separate championship game for SWAC that takes place in a few weeks. That champ then plays in the bowl.
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I wouldn’t mind Duquesne getting in. They only played 10 games for some reason, but 2 of them were against FBS teams TCU and Ohio going 1-1.

Throw away their low division game and their FBS loss and they are 6-2 in the committee’s eyes.
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just a PREDICTION, not a wish:

we’re going to be behind NDSU. and Nova. i don’t see ANY WAY that we get a top 3 seed, but some fans are confident in a top 2 seed? i just don’t think that’s going to happen.

i don’t think NDSU’s common (but bigger/better) win against an atrocious Towson team is going to mean jack squat. the committee isn’t full of total morons. they know Towson is terrible AND they know we play a different style of offense from NDSU. they also know that the MVFC is a much better league than the CAA. strength of schedule is going to mean more.

and i don’t see how they’d put us in front of Nova considering they played Penn St and we didn’t play an FBS. they beat us head to head. W&M won’t help us because they’re going to miss the playoffs. so no, us beating them and Nova losing isn’t going to have us leapfrog them.

think a lot of people on here are going to be shocked but i don’t think they should be. again, a PREDICTION and NOT what i want to happen. would absolutely love to be wrong. but i will not be remotely surprised if we’re a 4 seed (or worse)


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(11-21-2021 11:45 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  NDSU is clearly the 4 seed by any reasonable matrix this year. They don’t deserve a higher seed for playing a weak out of conference schedule and losing comfortably to SDSU. JMU went on the road to beat a good Weber State team comfortably. Campbell and Morehead are better wins than Valpo and Albany. Please stop giving in to the NDSU love because of their past accomplishments. This is 2021 and NDSU isn’t a top 3 seed based on the season just completed. I understand the committee may vote that way but they are dead wrong if they do. JMU and Nova would both win the MVC this year if given the chance to do so.

FWIW, I think all of your points have merit. My seed picks were merely a guess at what I think the committee will do, not what they *should* do. I also believe the committee can justify any result they want/vote for this year. The NCAA SRS/SOS score will be interesting to see, it often aligns with what the committee does when the picks are non-obvious.
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(11-21-2021 11:45 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I really don’t understand why so many of you keep seeding NDSU ahead of JMU and Nova. NDSU beat Albany, Towson and Valpo out of conference. We all know how weak Albany and Towson are. JMU played Towson and Morehead. Beat Towson by a wider margin. Morehead beat Valpo yesterday by 13. NDSU lost to a team that isn’t in the top 10 by 8 and was down 24-7 in that game scoring the last five points to make the game look closer than it was. JMU lost by one to arguably the #2 seed in this tournament. JMU was the better team last spring making it to the semifinals while NDSU was eliminated in the quarterfinals by the same team that eliminated JMU.

There is talk about two MVC teams having bad losses to YSU. Well one win is a fluke but two suggests that maybe the MVFC isn’t as strong as it is made up to be. JMU has beaten every MVFC it has played since 2016 with the only two losses being to NDSU during that time. Why so much love for the MVC? Are they better than the CAA? Probably but not by the wide margin some would suggest and certainly not better than JMU or Villanova this year.

NDSU is clearly the 4 seed by any reasonable matrix this year. They don’t deserve a higher seed for playing a weak out of conference schedule and losing comfortably to SDSU. JMU went on the road to beat a good Weber State team comfortably. Campbell and Morehead are better wins than Valpo and Albany. Please stop giving in to the NDSU love because of their past accomplishments. This is 2021 and NDSU isn’t a top 3 seed based on the season just completed. I understand the committee may vote that way but they are dead wrong if they do. JMU and Nova would both win the MVC this year if given the chance to do so.


Last week you didn’t think we deserved a seed at all, so at least you’re coming around!

Seeding the field this year is looking harder than what I remember in past years. What I’m just as interested in is who the seeds are looking to get in round 2 as there are going to be some very dangerous unseeded teams out there.

I’m hoping to get one more matchup with you guys (and SHSU) before you move on.
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RE: Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
(11-21-2021 11:55 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  
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(11-21-2021 11:08 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 10:44 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Why is MEAC listed with SC State but no mention of the SWAC?

The SWAC never participates...they even have 3 regular games scheduled for next weekend. (Grambling vs Southern is always the Saturday after Thanksgiving.)

Oh wow I knew their champ did celebration bowl, but didn’t realize they literally will not send a playoff participant otherwise. So FAMU isn’t in the mix?

There is actually a separate championship game for SWAC that takes place in a few weeks. That champ then plays in the bowl.

Yeah, was just thinking about FAMU who isn’t a SWAC division winner. Looks like they got in
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RE: Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
(11-21-2021 01:25 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 11:55 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 11:30 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 11:08 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 10:44 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Why is MEAC listed with SC State but no mention of the SWAC?

The SWAC never participates...they even have 3 regular games scheduled for next weekend. (Grambling vs Southern is always the Saturday after Thanksgiving.)

Oh wow I knew their champ did celebration bowl, but didn’t realize they literally will not send a playoff participant otherwise. So FAMU isn’t in the mix?

There is actually a separate championship game for SWAC that takes place in a few weeks. That champ then plays in the bowl.

Yeah, was just thinking about FAMU who isn’t a SWAC division winner. Looks like they got in

This was new. I found an article from last month basically saying that FAMU was pushing for this but he had to get support from the SWAC commish first...which he apparently did. It sounds like FAMU (and maybe Bethune-Cookman?) are in favor of SWAC teams participating and pushing for the other teams to agree.

The last time a SWAC team participated was in 1998. But it does sound like there are teams pushing for that to change...
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RE: Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
BCU doesn’t surprise me with that position. MEAC 2nd place teams always were eyeing a playoff bid if their resume was decent enough. A very interesting scenario with SWAC schools scheduling games during thanksgiving.
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RE: Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
(11-21-2021 04:25 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  BCU doesn’t surprise me with that position. MEAC 2nd place teams always were eyeing a playoff bid if their resume was decent enough. A very interesting scenario with SWAC schools scheduling games during thanksgiving.

I do find it interesting how the SWAC invites these 2 MEAC teams into their conference and those teams immediately start pushing for changes...and other schools seem to be fine with it.

The Bayou Classic (Grambling vs Southern in the Superdome) is always that Saturday after Thanksgiving. For a long time, it was shown on NBC, but it is now on NBC Sports. (I am guessing it goes to USA next year when NBC Sports shuts down, but I am not sure.) Importantly, THEY SHOW THE BANDS AT HALFTIME!!!

Apparently, Alabama State also has an annual game on Thanksgiving (Turkey Day Classic), but their opponents change up every now and then and are not always D1 teams.

So if SWAC teams want to start regularly competing in the playoffs it will have these conditions:
1.) Cannot include Grambling or Southern
2.) Cannot include Alabama State or any D1 opponents scheduled for the Turkey Day Classic
3.) Cannot include a team who is still alive for the SWAC championship. (Note that a team might not be eliminated until Grambling, Southern, or Alabama State have played their Thanksgiving games, so a team like FAMU could have had to decline a playoff spot...only to then be left out of the SWAC Championship a few days later.)
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RE: Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
it just seems the SWAC has made this as difficult as possible to be part of the playoffs....IIRC, prior to the faux-bowl, weren't they 0 for forever in wins in the playoffs?
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RE: Overall I-AA Playoff Status - 11/21/21
I do enjoy getting to see Southern’s band on Thanksgiving. Grambling isn’t on the same level, but they aren’t chopped liver (aka UVA band) either.

The MEAC to SWAC schools pushing for playoff possibilities is interesting. As long as the celebration bowl is a thing, it will continue to be complicated.
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