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(11-19-2021 07:45 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Flacco also had a massive arm. Cole throws a great ball and can push the ball down the field, but I'm not sure his arm is NFL level.

I believe it is. With the flick of the wrist, he can send the ball 50 to 60 yards without a problem. I believe he has plenty of arm strength to play in the NFL.
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(11-19-2021 09:48 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I have said all along the the members of this board have underestimated Cole's talent. Whether or not that translates to an NFL career or not remains to be seen. But, he is one of the best quarterbacks JMU has ever had. He is greatly under appreciated and taken for granted. He will be sorely missed next year.

Yep! I agree 100%.
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(11-19-2021 11:28 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  Williams was much better than 9. I would put him before Maddox and LeZotte.

Purely talent based:
1. Lee
2. Cawley
3. Schor
4. Landers
5. Rascati
6. Williams
7. DiNucci
8. Berry
9. Maddux
10. LeZotte

Put Cole at number 7. Move Ben to 6 and drop Williams to 8.
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(11-19-2021 09:48 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I have said all along the the members of this board have underestimated Cole's talent. Whether or not that translates to an NFL career or not remains to be seen. But, he is one of the best quarterbacks JMU has ever had. He is greatly under appreciated and taken for granted. He will be sorely missed next year.

Totally agree!
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Speaking of prototypical NFL quarterbacks, I don't think there really is one anymore. The pendulum may have swung in the direction of dual-threat QBs for now, but if you think that an NFL team would not even take a look at a Brady or Flacco or CoJo these days, you are mistaken. Between Michael Vick and the crop of current dual-threat quarterbacks in the league, there have been a whole lot of what are still called "Pro-style" QBs, classic drop-back passers with limited mobility.

Coincidentally, the new crop of dual-threat quarterbacks (Mahomes, Mayfield, Murray) are Texans, all from DFW except Baker Mayfield, who is from Austin. And, Mayfield is not exactly dual-threat, averaging two scrambles a game for a little over four yards per tote. Also, Mayfield is only 6'1 and Murray is listed at 5'10, but I know people who know Kyler personally and claim that he is more like 5'8.

This year's top high school prospect, also a quarterback, and also from DFW, is Quinn Ewers from Southlake Carroll (Giant should be able to give us the current skinny on this kid). Ewers didn't wait to get to college to take advantage of the new NIL rules. He declined playing his senior season in high school to sign multi-million-dollar contracts with marketing agencies. He just signed one for $1.4 million. I believe this is the third he has signed. The world is changing, and not necessarily for the better! .... Quinn Ewers getting rich in high school

So, did Ewers make the right decision? Is it good for the game? After all, he could suffer a career-ending injury if he played his senior season in high school and he has already accepted a scholly to Ohio State. Suppose he washes out or gets hurt at OSU. He still has his millions of dollars.

I could argue that Ewers made the right decision, but I don't believe the new NIL rules will ever be good for the game. Or, maybe I'm just an old square.
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Look what Cole has been able to do with a limited run game. Imagine being able to bring the defense up to load the box, he'd be leading the World in passing. There have been other better all-around QBs at JMU but never a better pure passer. Period.
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(11-19-2021 01:04 PM)Jayemyoo Wrote:  Look what Cole has been able to do with a limited run game. Imagine being able to bring the defense up to load the box, he'd be leading the World in passing. There have been other better all-around QBs at JMU but never a better pure passer. Period.

I believe you are right. Cole and Mike Cawley are much alike, Flaccoesque.

We are spoiled. Cole is much better than he is given credit for. He has an off game here and there. So does Tom Brady. But, even Cole's off games are very good. I have been amazed watching him hit Wells and/or Thornton in stride fifty yards away with good coverage. He consistently threads the needle on his short to mid-range passes.

The biggest knock Cole will have to overcome at the next level is the fact that he played at little James Madison, which disgusts me to no end to know that seasoned NFL evaluators are that blind. "Yeah, he looks fantastic, but JMU? C'mon? Who else we got to look at?"
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it's like we are watching different games......... i'm not saying he doesn't have his moments, but the variance is wide
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(11-19-2021 01:00 PM)Purple Wrote:  Speaking of prototypical NFL quarterbacks, I don't think there really is one anymore. The pendulum may have swung in the direction of dual-threat QBs for now, but if you think that an NFL team would not even take a look at a Brady or Flacco or CoJo these days, you are mistaken. Between Michael Vick and the crop of current dual-threat quarterbacks in the league, there have been a whole lot of what are still called "Pro-style" QBs, classic drop-back passers with limited mobility.

Coincidentally, the new crop of dual-threat quarterbacks (Mahomes, Mayfield, Murray) are Texans, all from DFW except Baker Mayfield, who is from Austin. And, Mayfield is not exactly dual-threat, averaging two scrambles a game for a little over four yards per tote. Also, Mayfield is only 6'1 and Murray is listed at 5'10, but I know people who know Kyler personally and claim that he is more like 5'8.

This year's top high school prospect, also a quarterback, and also from DFW, is Quinn Ewers from Southlake Carroll (Giant should be able to give us the current skinny on this kid). Ewers didn't wait to get to college to take advantage of the new NIL rules. He declined playing his senior season in high school to sign multi-million-dollar contracts with marketing agencies. He just signed one for $1.4 million. I believe this is the third he has signed. The world is changing, and not necessarily for the better! .... Quinn Ewers getting rich in high school

So, did Ewers make the right decision? Is it good for the game? After all, he could suffer a career-ending injury if he played his senior season in high school and he has already accepted a scholly to Ohio State. Suppose he washes out or gets hurt at OSU. He still has his millions of dollars.

I could argue that Ewers made the right decision, but I don't believe the new NIL rules will ever be good for the game. Or, maybe I'm just an old square.

What is your obsession with Flacco? He rode one of the best defenses of all time to the SB. QBs today need to have pocket mobility when facing DEs that run 4.4s. They do not necessarily need to be a dual threat which is what i think youre missing. You also need to be able to scan the field and hit your 3rd or 4th option which has not been the case with Cole. He is a 1-2 read QB which is fine when typically wells and thorton are open but at the next level that wont work. Rarely do you see Cole move around in the pocket and find someone open which is what all NFL qbs are capable of doing.

Cole also needs to get into a rhythm early on in the game if he is going to have a good game. If he starts slow it is typically an average performance for him
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If I could pick one guy from Rascati to now, I'd take Schor. And maybe it's nostalgia, but Rodney would probably be number 2. Some of those guys are before my time though.

Who is Williams?
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(11-19-2021 02:51 PM)waterwagen Wrote:  If I could pick one guy from Rascati to now, I'd take Schor. And maybe it's nostalgia, but Rodney would probably be number 2. Some of those guys are before my time though.

Who is Williams?

Eriq Williams

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(11-19-2021 02:51 PM)waterwagen Wrote:  If I could pick one guy from Rascati to now, I'd take Schor. And maybe it's nostalgia, but Rodney would probably be number 2. Some of those guys are before my time though.

Who is Williams?

I suppose it’s bias but I’d put Cawley at number 1. He was a very good pro-style QB.
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Cawley should be number 1, and its not even debatable

D1AA football was much during his playing days.
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Book it!
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(11-19-2021 01:00 PM)Purple Wrote:  Speaking of prototypical NFL quarterbacks, I don't think there really is one anymore. The pendulum may have swung in the direction of dual-threat QBs for now, but if you think that an NFL team would not even take a look at a Brady or Flacco or CoJo these days, you are mistaken. Between Michael Vick and the crop of current dual-threat quarterbacks in the league, there have been a whole lot of what are still called "Pro-style" QBs, classic drop-back passers with limited mobility.

Coincidentally, the new crop of dual-threat quarterbacks (Mahomes, Mayfield, Murray) are Texans, all from DFW except Baker Mayfield, who is from Austin. And, Mayfield is not exactly dual-threat, averaging two scrambles a game for a little over four yards per tote. Also, Mayfield is only 6'1 and Murray is listed at 5'10, but I know people who know Kyler personally and claim that he is more like 5'8.

This year's top high school prospect, also a quarterback, and also from DFW, is Quinn Ewers from Southlake Carroll (Giant should be able to give us the current skinny on this kid). Ewers didn't wait to get to college to take advantage of the new NIL rules. He declined playing his senior season in high school to sign multi-million-dollar contracts with marketing agencies. He just signed one for $1.4 million. I believe this is the third he has signed. The world is changing, and not necessarily for the better! .... Quinn Ewers getting rich in high school

So, did Ewers make the right decision? Is it good for the game? After all, he could suffer a career-ending injury if he played his senior season in high school and he has already accepted a scholly to Ohio State. Suppose he washes out or gets hurt at OSU. He still has his millions of dollars.

I could argue that Ewers made the right decision, but I don't believe the new NIL rules will ever be good for the game. Or, maybe I'm just an old square.

Baker Mayfield is not a dual-threat QB.
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(11-19-2021 11:28 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  Williams was much better than 9. I would put him before Maddox and LeZotte.

Purely talent based:
1. Lee
2. Cawley
3. Schor
4. Landers
5. Rascati
6. Williams
7. DiNucci
8. Berry
9. Maddux
10. LeZotte

Who's Berry?

How about Birdsong?
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(11-19-2021 01:04 PM)Jayemyoo Wrote:  Look what Cole has been able to do with a limited run game. Imagine being able to bring the defense up to load the box, he'd be leading the World in passing. There have been other better all-around QBs at JMU but never a better pure passer. Period.

Wait, is this the same Cole who played QB about 7 months ago in the shortened Spring season? Better offensive line and less injuries at QB? Please explain.
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(11-19-2021 07:11 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  
(11-19-2021 01:00 PM)Purple Wrote:  Speaking of prototypical NFL quarterbacks, I don't think there really is one anymore. The pendulum may have swung in the direction of dual-threat QBs for now, but if you think that an NFL team would not even take a look at a Brady or Flacco or CoJo these days, you are mistaken. Between Michael Vick and the crop of current dual-threat quarterbacks in the league, there have been a whole lot of what are still called "Pro-style" QBs, classic drop-back passers with limited mobility.

Coincidentally, the new crop of dual-threat quarterbacks (Mahomes, Mayfield, Murray) are Texans, all from DFW except Baker Mayfield, who is from Austin. And, Mayfield is not exactly dual-threat, averaging two scrambles a game for a little over four yards per tote. Also, Mayfield is only 6'1 and Murray is listed at 5'10, but I know people who know Kyler personally and claim that he is more like 5'8.

This year's top high school prospect, also a quarterback, and also from DFW, is Quinn Ewers from Southlake Carroll (Giant should be able to give us the current skinny on this kid). Ewers didn't wait to get to college to take advantage of the new NIL rules. He declined playing his senior season in high school to sign multi-million-dollar contracts with marketing agencies. He just signed one for $1.4 million. I believe this is the third he has signed. The world is changing, and not necessarily for the better! .... Quinn Ewers getting rich in high school

So, did Ewers make the right decision? Is it good for the game? After all, he could suffer a career-ending injury if he played his senior season in high school and he has already accepted a scholly to Ohio State. Suppose he washes out or gets hurt at OSU. He still has his millions of dollars.

I could argue that Ewers made the right decision, but I don't believe the new NIL rules will ever be good for the game. Or, maybe I'm just an old square.

Baker Mayfield is not a dual-threat QB.

Deja vu.
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(11-19-2021 02:45 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(11-19-2021 01:00 PM)Purple Wrote:  Speaking of prototypical NFL quarterbacks, I don't think there really is one anymore. The pendulum may have swung in the direction of dual-threat QBs for now, but if you think that an NFL team would not even take a look at a Brady or Flacco or CoJo these days, you are mistaken. Between Michael Vick and the crop of current dual-threat quarterbacks in the league, there have been a whole lot of what are still called "Pro-style" QBs, classic drop-back passers with limited mobility.

Coincidentally, the new crop of dual-threat quarterbacks (Mahomes, Mayfield, Murray) are Texans, all from DFW except Baker Mayfield, who is from Austin. And, Mayfield is not exactly dual-threat, averaging two scrambles a game for a little over four yards per tote. Also, Mayfield is only 6'1 and Murray is listed at 5'10, but I know people who know Kyler personally and claim that he is more like 5'8.

This year's top high school prospect, also a quarterback, and also from DFW, is Quinn Ewers from Southlake Carroll (Giant should be able to give us the current skinny on this kid). Ewers didn't wait to get to college to take advantage of the new NIL rules. He declined playing his senior season in high school to sign multi-million-dollar contracts with marketing agencies. He just signed one for $1.4 million. I believe this is the third he has signed. The world is changing, and not necessarily for the better! .... Quinn Ewers getting rich in high school

So, did Ewers make the right decision? Is it good for the game? After all, he could suffer a career-ending injury if he played his senior season in high school and he has already accepted a scholly to Ohio State. Suppose he washes out or gets hurt at OSU. He still has his millions of dollars.

I could argue that Ewers made the right decision, but I don't believe the new NIL rules will ever be good for the game. Or, maybe I'm just an old square.

What is your obsession with Flacco? He rode one of the best defenses of all time to the SB. QBs today need to have pocket mobility when facing DEs that run 4.4s. They do not necessarily need to be a dual threat which is what i think youre missing. You also need to be able to scan the field and hit your 3rd or 4th option which has not been the case with Cole. He is a 1-2 read QB which is fine when typically wells and thorton are open but at the next level that wont work. Rarely do you see Cole move around in the pocket and find someone open which is what all NFL qbs are capable of doing.

Cole also needs to get into a rhythm early on in the game if he is going to have a good game. If he starts slow it is typically an average performance for him

What is your obsession with calling my comparison of Cole and Flacco an obsession?

There is no obsession, just a simple comparison.
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(11-19-2021 07:15 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  
(11-19-2021 11:28 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  Williams was much better than 9. I would put him before Maddox and LeZotte.

Purely talent based:
1. Lee
2. Cawley
3. Schor
4. Landers
5. Rascati
6. Williams
7. DiNucci
8. Berry
9. Maddux
10. LeZotte

Who's Berry?

How about Birdsong?

Good question. I would definitely have Birdsong on that list.
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