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(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...
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(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that
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(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
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(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

damn bruh, calm down on the negativity
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(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
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(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

Who are you and what have you done with UAB Schnauzer?

The Russians have finally hacked BlazerTalk.
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(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 09:54 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

While there might be some truth to your first two sentences, I think there is none in the third.

I think this tweet and its premise overlook the other side of things. Nick Saban coached at a G5 before going to Michigan State. That seemed to work out. I could name other coaches who went from G5 to P5 and turned out alright. Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly. Hugh Freeze was doing pretty well at Ole Miss until the hookers and whatnot. Speaking of Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin seems to be doing okay, although he's had stints at Tennessee and USC, so he's a little different.
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(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
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(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

Bullseye

Has to show he’s willing to hire a real staff too.
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(11-17-2021 11:03 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 09:54 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

While there might be some truth to your first two sentences, I think there is none in the third.

I think this tweet and its premise overlook the other side of things. Nick Saban coached at a G5 before going to Michigan State. That seemed to work out. I could name other coaches who went from G5 to P5 and turned out alright. Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly. Hugh Freeze was doing pretty well at Ole Miss until the hookers and whatnot. Speaking of Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin seems to be doing okay, although he's had stints at Tennessee and USC, so he's a little different.

I thinking the same thing except my examples were Sagan, Urban, and Mack Brown.
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(11-17-2021 11:17 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 11:03 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
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(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

While there might be some truth to your first two sentences, I think there is none in the third.

I think this tweet and its premise overlook the other side of things. Nick Saban coached at a G5 before going to Michigan State. That seemed to work out. I could name other coaches who went from G5 to P5 and turned out alright. Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly. Hugh Freeze was doing pretty well at Ole Miss until the hookers and whatnot. Speaking of Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin seems to be doing okay, although he's had stints at Tennessee and USC, so he's a little different.

I thinking the same thing except my examples were Sagan, Urban, and Mack Brown.

Dang, so you were being serious. I thought you were being sarcastic. Maybe shouldn't be so hard on me and the other "debbie downers" ??
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(11-17-2021 10:22 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 09:54 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

damn bruh, calm down on the negativity

Yeah he's channeling his inner HiddenDragon....03-lmfao
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(11-17-2021 11:03 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
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(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

While there might be some truth to your first two sentences......

This I agree with.
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(11-17-2021 11:18 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 11:17 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 11:03 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 09:54 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...a cautionary tale for aspiring coaches... however, if the $$$$ is right, it's typically worth the risk...

...with that, I figure Clark will now hang out at least until our transition to the AAC (with more $$$$ as UAB HC a probable result), and again he might just be 'good' here for awhile, depending upon his performance at the 'next level'...

Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

While there might be some truth to your first two sentences, I think there is none in the third.

I think this tweet and its premise overlook the other side of things. Nick Saban coached at a G5 before going to Michigan State. That seemed to work out. I could name other coaches who went from G5 to P5 and turned out alright. Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly. Hugh Freeze was doing pretty well at Ole Miss until the hookers and whatnot. Speaking of Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin seems to be doing okay, although he's had stints at Tennessee and USC, so he's a little different.

I thinking the same thing except my examples were Sagan, Urban, and Mack Brown.

Dang, so you were being serious. I thought you were being sarcastic. Maybe shouldn't be so hard on me and the other "debbie downers" ??

We get tired of reading the posts every five minutes. You guys all have valid points and concerns. It's now the end of the season. We can't add a QB to the roster. We can't add an OC and implement a whole new offense. We can't find different receivers. That's when people get annoyed at your comments and bite back most often.

We can still cut down on penalties and limit turnovers.(and our turnovers aren't a huge issue to me, we've had 13 in 10 games) We can run the ball 500 times if our running backs are gashing the opponent. We can study the tape and see if there are any weaknesses in the UTSA offense that we can exploit.

There is still a lot we can do this season, and I'm really hoping we show up in a big way Saturday.
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(11-17-2021 01:15 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 11:18 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 11:17 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  
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(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

While there might be some truth to your first two sentences, I think there is none in the third.

I think this tweet and its premise overlook the other side of things. Nick Saban coached at a G5 before going to Michigan State. That seemed to work out. I could name other coaches who went from G5 to P5 and turned out alright. Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly. Hugh Freeze was doing pretty well at Ole Miss until the hookers and whatnot. Speaking of Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin seems to be doing okay, although he's had stints at Tennessee and USC, so he's a little different.

I thinking the same thing except my examples were Sagan, Urban, and Mack Brown.

Dang, so you were being serious. I thought you were being sarcastic. Maybe shouldn't be so hard on me and the other "debbie downers" ??

We get tired of reading the posts every five minutes. You guys all have valid points and concerns. It's now the end of the season. We can't add a QB to the roster. We can't add an OC and implement a whole new offense. We can't find different receivers. That's when people get annoyed at your comments and bite back most often.

We can still cut down on penalties and limit turnovers.(and our turnovers aren't a huge issue to me, we've had 13 in 10 games) We can run the ball 500 times if our running backs are gashing the opponent. We can study the tape and see if there are any weaknesses in the UTSA offense that we can exploit.

There is still a lot we can do this season, and I'm really hoping we show up in a big way Saturday.

bich i'll repeat myself as much as i want 03-lmfao03-lmfao

i'm done with the negativity until the game is over - and i'll keep my mouth shut after the game too unless there's something egregious that happens. i have a sneaky good feeling about the game.
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I’m most interested to see what recruiting looks like. We are now playing in a new stadium, we are now moving up to an ESPN conference, and we have play in three straight conference championships. In my opinion this is the first year the legitimate reasons holding back recruiting are no more. The upcoming class and the next two will show us if Clark can recruit at the AAC level.
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(11-17-2021 04:55 AM)blazr Wrote:  ouch...

G5 to P5

Got to look at the whole picture, most “G5” coaches were hired to replace someone that was fired. The reason their predecessor was fired is because he was losing, sometimes a result of bad recruiting. So when the new coach gets in there, the skill level is down and needs to be rebuilt, that take 3 years. But if you don’t win the first couple years, they fire you, even though you were still cleaning up the mess of the previous guy. Schools are to quick with trigger to get rid of someone before giving them an honest shot at the job.
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(11-17-2021 01:15 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 11:18 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  
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(11-17-2021 10:18 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  Clark is not going anywhere because he is not going to be offered a better job. The penalties and losing to horrible teams are going to keep him from getting a top job. He may end up taking a Kansas/Vandy type gig once he realizes that

While there might be some truth to your first two sentences, I think there is none in the third.

I think this tweet and its premise overlook the other side of things. Nick Saban coached at a G5 before going to Michigan State. That seemed to work out. I could name other coaches who went from G5 to P5 and turned out alright. Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly. Hugh Freeze was doing pretty well at Ole Miss until the hookers and whatnot. Speaking of Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin seems to be doing okay, although he's had stints at Tennessee and USC, so he's a little different.

I thinking the same thing except my examples were Sagan, Urban, and Mack Brown.

Dang, so you were being serious. I thought you were being sarcastic. Maybe shouldn't be so hard on me and the other "debbie downers" ??

We get tired of reading the posts every five minutes.

Tbh, no one is making you read them.
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G5 to P5

Got to look at the whole picture, most “G5” coaches were hired to replace someone that was fired. The reason their predecessor was fired is because he was losing, sometimes a result of bad recruiting. So when the new coach gets in there, the skill level is down and needs to be rebuilt, that take 3 years. But if you don’t win the first couple years, they fire you, even though you were still cleaning up the mess of the previous guy. Schools are to quick with trigger to get rid of someone before giving them an honest shot at the job.

That's why a talented G5 coach is smart not to jump for that $4-5m lower half of a P5 job. If you take a job where there are three other schools in your division who have finished above your new school for the last decade, it's going to be hard to make a big enough difference to turn that corner. Some take the job for the money, some out of ego... but I see smart rising coaches that sit tight until they get the kind of job they want, not the first one to wave multi-millions at them.
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G5 to P5

Got to look at the whole picture, most “G5” coaches were hired to replace someone that was fired. The reason their predecessor was fired is because he was losing, sometimes a result of bad recruiting. So when the new coach gets in there, the skill level is down and needs to be rebuilt, that take 3 years. But if you don’t win the first couple years, they fire you, even though you were still cleaning up the mess of the previous guy. Schools are to quick with trigger to get rid of someone before giving them an honest shot at the job.

That's why a talented G5 coach is smart not to jump for that $4-5m lower half of a P5 job. If you take a job where there are three other schools in your division who have finished above your new school for the last decade, it's going to be hard to make a big enough difference to turn that corner. Some take the job for the money, some out of ego... but I see smart rising coaches that sit tight until they get the kind of job they want, not the first one to wave multi-millions at them.

It’s hard to blame any “G5” coach making sub $1mil a year for taking any “P5” job making $3mil a year. Even if it only last 3-4 years, you can always go back to the “G5” level and you have financially changed the direction of your family for the next generation. And that’s taking a job you may know you can’t fix, but it becomes a money grab at that point. Y’all know you would do it too.
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(11-17-2021 07:33 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 06:57 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:44 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
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G5 to P5

Got to look at the whole picture, most “G5” coaches were hired to replace someone that was fired. The reason their predecessor was fired is because he was losing, sometimes a result of bad recruiting. So when the new coach gets in there, the skill level is down and needs to be rebuilt, that take 3 years. But if you don’t win the first couple years, they fire you, even though you were still cleaning up the mess of the previous guy. Schools are to quick with trigger to get rid of someone before giving them an honest shot at the job.

That's why a talented G5 coach is smart not to jump for that $4-5m lower half of a P5 job. If you take a job where there are three other schools in your division who have finished above your new school for the last decade, it's going to be hard to make a big enough difference to turn that corner. Some take the job for the money, some out of ego... but I see smart rising coaches that sit tight until they get the kind of job they want, not the first one to wave multi-millions at them.

It’s hard to blame any “G5” coach making sub $1mil a year for taking any “P5” job making $3mil a year. Even if it only last 3-4 years, you can always go back to the “G5” level and you have financially changed the direction of your family for the next generation. And that’s taking a job you may know you can’t fix, but it becomes a money grab at that point. Y’all know you would do it too.

Add to that the fact that most G5 coaches don't have the name recognition to attract top talent. So, they have to build a reputation with the sub-par talent the previous coaching staff left. In this day and time college ADs don't have the patience for that. In a weird twist reversal, its better to follow the guy that follows the guy, but, in this instance, the guy being followed is a loser whose talent you've improved for the next guy.
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It's all relative to the expectations of the fanbase. Virginia Tech does not seem like a very easy place to win and recruit to, but their fans expect it due to the culture Frank Beamer created. It took him years to do that and there was bound to be a significant drop off when he left, hell it started to drop even before he left. Same with Scott Frost at Nebraska. Schools like that just don't have the appeal they once did. Miami, FSU, and Texas are all schools coaches should have what they need to succeed, however.

I wonder if Texas regrets letting Herman go. He probably would have done well given a little more time.
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