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RE: Just when you thought it was safe in realignment land.
My guess is the A10 would have added Loyola long ago if it had a better basketball team and now it does.
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RE: Just when you thought it was safe in realignment land.
(11-16-2021 04:46 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
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(11-16-2021 04:24 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Eh, let's see what Belmont does taking a pretty decent step up in competition. There's a couple of schools in the MVC you could make an argument for ahead of Belmont if you wanted to.

Thing is, Drake/Bradley aren't in markets that benefit the A10. It makes sense for the A10 to reach into St Louis or Chicago or Nashville...but you don't want a member who in one coaching hire could end up a bottom-feeder located in Des Moines or Peoria. Dayton has the world's greatest fan base, so they're an exception.

I think there a significant difference between what Belmont potentially grows into and what Current-OVC-Member-Belmont actually is right now. I don't think they've ever been out of the first round of the NCAA tournament.

Kind of similar to Loyola when they entered the MVC in 2013. Yeah, Loyola had 63 title, but that was 50 years prior. Had been out of the 1st round once since 1964(in 1985). Actually Belmont enters the Valley a whole lot better than Loyola did.

When Evansville and Northern Iowa entered the MVC in the early 90s, Evansville was viewed as a big get and Northern Iowa was mocked and belittled.

Because the Purple Aces were making the tournament in their short sleeve jerseys. everyone else had tank tops
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RE: Just when you thought it was safe in realignment land.
(11-16-2021 05:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think I posted about this years ago haha. They probably waited for those Final 4 credits to dry up.

Good job, Mr. esayem.

Talking Loyola to the A10 as far back as 2008. They absolutely have fit the trajectory of the A10 and just needed an on-court boost.
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(11-16-2021 05:26 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  HUGE news for Loyola and the A10. Loyola has made one of the biggest jumps in college basketball this past decade, and the A10 adding the Chicago market will only add value to their TV deal and for recruiting moving forward. As a Chicago and Loyola fan, I am PUMPED.

This MAY mean the A10 expects to lose a member (either to the Big East, or a member voluntarily dropping down). I would guess it is probably the former as to the latter.

MVC to A10 isn't that big a jump. A10 a little stronger most years and a consistent multi-bid conference. MVC much better fan support around the league.
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RE: Just when you thought it was safe in realignment land.
I wonder if the A10 thinks they are going to lose a school, perhaps to CUSA.

This definitely shores up the Midwest, as Dayton and Saint Louis are on less of an Island.

If Belmont hasn't yet paid an entry fee to the MVC, then I'd try to intercept them for a 16th, much like the Big 12 did with TCU on the way to the Big East (American).

Back on that A10 expecting to lose somebody, could that be UMass thinking of pulling out in both Basketball and Football for CUSA?
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(11-16-2021 05:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-16-2021 05:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  I think I posted about this years ago haha. They probably waited for those Final 4 credits to dry up.

Good job, Mr. esayem.

Talking Loyola to the A10 as far back as 2008. They absolutely have fit the trajectory of the A10 and just needed an on-court boost.

And now if only the University of Detroit Mercy could make the same jump and the A-10 would have another great candidate.

Seemed like Siena (great fan support but not enough W's on the court) was next in like by default.

But Loyola (IL) is definitely a great fit with their renewed emphasis on basketball.
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RE: Just when you thought it was safe in realignment land.
Per Wiki- Loyola would be 7th basketball program to switch conferences next year for sure-
Austin Peay- OVC to ASUN
Belmont- OVC to MVC
Chicago St- WAC to ???
Incarnate Word- Southland to WAC
Southern Utah- Big Sky to WAC
Texas A&M Comnerce D2 Lone Star to Southland
And now Loyola of course

And still have 5 months where moves still could easily get made for next year.
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RE: Just when you thought it was safe in realignment land.
(11-16-2021 06:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-16-2021 05:26 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  HUGE news for Loyola and the A10. Loyola has made one of the biggest jumps in college basketball this past decade, and the A10 adding the Chicago market will only add value to their TV deal and for recruiting moving forward. As a Chicago and Loyola fan, I am PUMPED.

This MAY mean the A10 expects to lose a member (either to the Big East, or a member voluntarily dropping down). I would guess it is probably the former as to the latter.

MVC to A10 isn't that big a jump. A10 a little stronger most years and a consistent multi-bid conference. MVC much better fan support around the league.

The A10 just widened the gap between them and the MVC. Loyola, moving forward and for the first time, can now make the NCAAT without needing to win its conference tournament (as the A10 is a multibid league). The MVC, now losing Wichita State and Loyola in recent years, will remain a one-bid league most years.
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RE: Just when you thought it was safe in realignment land.
(11-16-2021 06:28 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(11-16-2021 06:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-16-2021 05:26 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  HUGE news for Loyola and the A10. Loyola has made one of the biggest jumps in college basketball this past decade, and the A10 adding the Chicago market will only add value to their TV deal and for recruiting moving forward. As a Chicago and Loyola fan, I am PUMPED.

This MAY mean the A10 expects to lose a member (either to the Big East, or a member voluntarily dropping down). I would guess it is probably the former as to the latter.

MVC to A10 isn't that big a jump. A10 a little stronger most years and a consistent multi-bid conference. MVC much better fan support around the league.

The A10 just widened the gap between them and the MVC. Loyola, moving forward and for the first time, can now make the NCAAT without needing to win its conference tournament (as the A10 is a multibid league).

Wrong. Drake made the NCAA Tournament last year and was 12+ spots lower on the S-Curve than Loyola.
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RE: Just when you thought it was safe in realignment land.
Outside of Gonzaga, Wichita State is now the biggest wild card for realignment on the basketball front. I would assume that Wichita State never returns to the MVC, but - along with the MWC - the A10 now creates a plausible conference affiliation if they ever decided to separate from the American. The AAC of 2024 is not the AAC that Wichita State, as a basketball-first institution, elected to join in 2017. The AAC no longer has UConn, Cincinnati or Houston, and has replaced those strong basketball programs with the likes of North Texas, UAB, Charlotte, FAU, Rice and UTSA.

The Koch Brothers could easily fund the exit fees overnight - if it thought the A10 (or MWC) was a more desirable basketball-first conference. If/when Memphis leaves, I think they decide to move on as well IMO.
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I think this is a pre-emptive move for the A10. St. Louis and Dayton may be heading to the Big East with their expansion talks for a new Fox TV deal
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I don’t think the MVC necessarily needs to make an add here unless there’s someone they can’t live without. They’ve got 10 and that’s a happy place to be.
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(11-16-2021 06:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I think this is a pre-emptive move for the A10. St. Louis and Dayton may be heading to the Big East with their expansion talks for a new Fox TV deal

Neither program has won a game in 5 years and aren’t every year, participants. Why would Fox realistically pay more for those 2?
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UMKC is brought up because about a lot of heat that Missouri State are in the running to join CUSA.
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The other possibility is that there aren’t any specific moves on the horizon but they are just being safe. I mean, look at how many potential moves have been listed: UMASS, Dayton, St. Louis… plus financial issues with some schools which could affect affiliation. I think it’s very possible that the A10 looked at what happened to CUSA and said, we don’t want that to happen to us.
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RE: Just when you thought it was safe in realignment land.
(11-16-2021 06:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(11-16-2021 06:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I think this is a pre-emptive move for the A10. St. Louis and Dayton may be heading to the Big East with their expansion talks for a new Fox TV deal

Neither program has won a game in 5 years and aren’t every year, participants. Why would Fox realistically pay more for those 2?

Fox might not, but Fox and CBS might pay more collectively if they each got a certain amount of volume under a 50/50 or 60/40 split or something, and that could be a situation where adding a team or two could make more money for everyone. Most likely is it's just Gonzaga or sit pat though.
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(11-16-2021 06:31 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
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(11-16-2021 05:26 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  HUGE news for Loyola and the A10. Loyola has made one of the biggest jumps in college basketball this past decade, and the A10 adding the Chicago market will only add value to their TV deal and for recruiting moving forward. As a Chicago and Loyola fan, I am PUMPED.

This MAY mean the A10 expects to lose a member (either to the Big East, or a member voluntarily dropping down). I would guess it is probably the former as to the latter.

MVC to A10 isn't that big a jump. A10 a little stronger most years and a consistent multi-bid conference. MVC much better fan support around the league.

The A10 just widened the gap between them and the MVC. Loyola, moving forward and for the first time, can now make the NCAAT without needing to win its conference tournament (as the A10 is a multibid league).

Wrong. Drake made the NCAA Tournament last year and was 12+ spots lower on the S-Curve than Loyola.

Noted. I'll rephrase - the MVC is, in most years - a single-bid conference, creating the need for the conference champion to win its tournament in order to make the NCAAT.
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