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What would you want in the new baseball CBA
Here’s what I’d like to see:

Universal DH
Universal World Amateur Draft
A living wage for minor league players
Way to end the service time manipulation of prospects
Service time clock begins when you hit the 40-man roster
Move the draft to after the CWS
Make the 10/5 rule 12/8
Ban no movement clauses
Move trade deadline back to midnight ET
Bring back 8/31 trade deadline
Cap contracts at 8 years

Thoughts on my ideas? What do you advocate for?
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RE: What would you want in the new baseball CBA
agree on first 4 things.
draft is already after the CSW
nope on the 10/5 rule
nope on the no movement clauses
agree on the trade deadline
if anything make the trade deadline 6/30. Having it after 2/3 of the season is done is a joke.
nope on contract lengths

my big one is having draft order being a draft lottery non weighted for first 10 spots. no longer can you compete and get rewarded with a top 3-4 pick. tanking needs to go.
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(11-14-2021 11:45 AM)stever20 Wrote:  agree on first 4 things.
draft is already after the CSW
nope on the 10/5 rule
nope on the no movement clauses
agree on the trade deadline
if anything make the trade deadline 6/30. Having it after 2/3 of the season is done is a joke.
nope on contract lengths

my big one is having draft order being a draft lottery non weighted for first 10 spots. no longer can you compete and get rewarded with a top 3-4 pick. tanking needs to go.

I would go farther to discourage tanking. Pick some threshold number of wins, and every team that doesn't win at least that many goes to the bottom of the draft order.

There ought to be a team salary floor.

The way to end service time manipulation is to make every player eligible for free agency at a certain age, maybe 26, or maybe 7 years after a player signs with any MLB organization at any level.
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RE: What would you want in the new baseball CBA
Do a draft lottery? Instead of worst is first? I have no idea how they draft currently so...

A pitch clock.... too much delay of game with pitchers, catchers, and hitters....

What is the deal on DH? Why does one league have it, the other doesn't... but even then... you don't see pitchers hit so... what does it really matter ...then I never understood how if you are playing you aren't hitting which is not to say I don't get the point of a pinch hitter/runner.
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Salary Cap/Salary Floor


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RE: What would you want in the new baseball CBA
Universal DH
Elimination of Luxury Tax, as that acts as salary cap - more likely alternative is true cap/floor. If cap implemented it should be tied to revenue.
Minor league salary/living improvements
Set timeframe for expansion to 32 teams. Owners have had option to expand per previous CBA, needs to have set timeline to happen.
Set potential timeframe for expansion to 36 teams depending on revenue generation.
Require all teams schedule 90+% of home games in same city - allows for random neutral site games in Japan/Mexico/Iowa corn fields, but no split setup like Tampa/Montreal proposal. "scheduled games" not necessarily played games - allows for games to be moved due to natural disasters, etc.

Elimination of the draft (It's crazy to think about any other profession having a draft. Imaging just graduated firefighter school, now to find out which city will select your services and you have no other option to be a firefighter anywhere else.) The draft is anti-worker rights and should be abolished in all pro sports.
If unable to end the draft, allow all draft picks to be traded.
Can sign players immediately after their high school/college season ends. If draft remains, it would take place during CWS championship series. International amateurs can be signed June 1st (or same day as draft 1st round)
Players can sign contracts to any length number of years, with optional arbitration or free agency clauses at any time. No set timeframe of control after a draft, or at a certain age, etc.
Bring back short season minor league (low-a) for newly signed players.

Assuming a salary cap, it would be for all players, not just MLB roster - including draft/international signing bonuses. Elimination of signing pool based on previous years record and size of market.
Assuming draft stays, elimination of competitive balance picks for small revenue/market size
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1. Universal DH albeit I would prefer the DH be tied to the SP. Remove the starter and you lose the DH for the rest of the game. Adds to the strategy rather than detracting from it.

2. It will never happen, but reduce the number of regular season games.

3. Bring back the old balanced schedule. The game was more interesting when the Braves and Marlins didn't play 57 times a year.

4. I like the removal of manipulation. it also makes better baseball sense. Give everyone a 6 year contract from their initial signing date.
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(11-18-2021 04:52 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  1. Universal DH albeit I would prefer the DH be tied to the SP. Remove the starter and you lose the DH for the rest of the game. Adds to the strategy rather than detracting from it.

2. It will never happen, but reduce the number of regular season games.

3. Bring back the old balanced schedule. The game was more interesting when the Braves and Marlins didn't play 57 times a year.

4. I like the removal of manipulation. it also makes better baseball sense. Give everyone a 6 year contract from their initial signing date.

why exactly would the union agree to #1 at all? Union wants full 100% DH to up the value for batters and the dumb as hell double hook crap would do nothing but eliminate any value for DH types. Thankfully the NL pitchers batting .120 crapfest is almost certainty going the way of the dodo and will be gone gone, long gone.
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(11-18-2021 10:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 04:52 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  1. Universal DH albeit I would prefer the DH be tied to the SP. Remove the starter and you lose the DH for the rest of the game. Adds to the strategy rather than detracting from it.

2. It will never happen, but reduce the number of regular season games.

3. Bring back the old balanced schedule. The game was more interesting when the Braves and Marlins didn't play 57 times a year.

4. I like the removal of manipulation. it also makes better baseball sense. Give everyone a 6 year contract from their initial signing date.

why exactly would the union agree to #1 at all? Union wants full 100% DH to up the value for batters and the dumb as hell double hook crap would do nothing but eliminate any value for DH types. Thankfully the NL pitchers batting .120 crapfest is almost certainty going the way of the dodo and will be gone gone, long gone.

The double hook thing would be an unnecessary gimmick.

Balanced schedule is strongly opposed by the west coast teams because even with the current schedule they travel more than teams in the east, and the travel difference is much greater with a balanced schedule. (Anyway, AFAIK that isn’t something that MLB needs to negotiate with the MLBPA.)

Pro baseball, basketball, and soccer would all improve the quality of play if they reduced regular season games by 20-30 percent. Obviously it’s just a dream because they won’t choose quality of play over more money.
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(11-19-2021 01:02 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 10:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 04:52 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  1. Universal DH albeit I would prefer the DH be tied to the SP. Remove the starter and you lose the DH for the rest of the game. Adds to the strategy rather than detracting from it.

2. It will never happen, but reduce the number of regular season games.

3. Bring back the old balanced schedule. The game was more interesting when the Braves and Marlins didn't play 57 times a year.

4. I like the removal of manipulation. it also makes better baseball sense. Give everyone a 6 year contract from their initial signing date.

why exactly would the union agree to #1 at all? Union wants full 100% DH to up the value for batters and the dumb as hell double hook crap would do nothing but eliminate any value for DH types. Thankfully the NL pitchers batting .120 crapfest is almost certainty going the way of the dodo and will be gone gone, long gone.

The double hook thing would be an unnecessary gimmick.

Balanced schedule is strongly opposed by the west coast teams because even with the current schedule they travel more than teams in the east, and the travel difference is much greater with a balanced schedule. (Anyway, AFAIK that isn’t something that MLB needs to negotiate with the MLBPA.)

Pro baseball, basketball, and soccer would all improve the quality of play if they reduced regular season games by 20-30 percent. Obviously it’s just a dream because they won’t choose quality of play over more money.

Yeah, the double hook thing is just for traditionalists who want to keep the chance of the precious damn double switch in the game. I've yet to hear any rationale for the union to accept that at all when it would f*** over the DH types in free agency. It's just lunacy and has no shot in hell of ever passing.
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(11-19-2021 02:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-19-2021 01:02 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 10:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 04:52 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  1. Universal DH albeit I would prefer the DH be tied to the SP. Remove the starter and you lose the DH for the rest of the game. Adds to the strategy rather than detracting from it.

2. It will never happen, but reduce the number of regular season games.

3. Bring back the old balanced schedule. The game was more interesting when the Braves and Marlins didn't play 57 times a year.

4. I like the removal of manipulation. it also makes better baseball sense. Give everyone a 6 year contract from their initial signing date.

why exactly would the union agree to #1 at all? Union wants full 100% DH to up the value for batters and the dumb as hell double hook crap would do nothing but eliminate any value for DH types. Thankfully the NL pitchers batting .120 crapfest is almost certainty going the way of the dodo and will be gone gone, long gone.

The double hook thing would be an unnecessary gimmick.

Balanced schedule is strongly opposed by the west coast teams because even with the current schedule they travel more than teams in the east, and the travel difference is much greater with a balanced schedule. (Anyway, AFAIK that isn’t something that MLB needs to negotiate with the MLBPA.)

Pro baseball, basketball, and soccer would all improve the quality of play if they reduced regular season games by 20-30 percent. Obviously it’s just a dream because they won’t choose quality of play over more money.

Yeah, the double hook thing is just for traditionalists who want to keep the chance of the precious damn double switch in the game. I've yet to hear any rationale for the union to accept that at all when it would f*** over the DH types in free agency. It's just lunacy and has no shot in hell of ever passing.

It would screw any team with a good DH, as well. On days that Ohtani is not pitching, the Angels would have to remove him from the game when the starting pitcher is taken out.
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(11-19-2021 03:40 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-19-2021 02:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-19-2021 01:02 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 10:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 04:52 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  1. Universal DH albeit I would prefer the DH be tied to the SP. Remove the starter and you lose the DH for the rest of the game. Adds to the strategy rather than detracting from it.

2. It will never happen, but reduce the number of regular season games.

3. Bring back the old balanced schedule. The game was more interesting when the Braves and Marlins didn't play 57 times a year.

4. I like the removal of manipulation. it also makes better baseball sense. Give everyone a 6 year contract from their initial signing date.

why exactly would the union agree to #1 at all? Union wants full 100% DH to up the value for batters and the dumb as hell double hook crap would do nothing but eliminate any value for DH types. Thankfully the NL pitchers batting .120 crapfest is almost certainty going the way of the dodo and will be gone gone, long gone.

The double hook thing would be an unnecessary gimmick.

Balanced schedule is strongly opposed by the west coast teams because even with the current schedule they travel more than teams in the east, and the travel difference is much greater with a balanced schedule. (Anyway, AFAIK that isn’t something that MLB needs to negotiate with the MLBPA.)

Pro baseball, basketball, and soccer would all improve the quality of play if they reduced regular season games by 20-30 percent. Obviously it’s just a dream because they won’t choose quality of play over more money.

Yeah, the double hook thing is just for traditionalists who want to keep the chance of the precious damn double switch in the game. I've yet to hear any rationale for the union to accept that at all when it would f*** over the DH types in free agency. It's just lunacy and has no shot in hell of ever passing.

It would screw any team with a good DH, as well. On days that Ohtani is not pitching, the Angels would have to remove him from the game when the starting pitcher is taken out.

yep. It's just wishful thinking from traditionalists, desperate to try to keep the NL game in play.
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The “double hook” is an attempt to fix a real problem (starting pitchers not going deep into games). It’s just that this particular solution is WORSE than the problem.
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(11-19-2021 04:10 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  The “double hook” is an attempt to fix a real problem (starting pitchers not going deep into games). It’s just that this particular solution is WORSE than the problem.

no a lot of it is traditionalists wanting to keep the dumb pitching batting strategy in the game. Like double switches and pinch hitting is so important.

Thankfully the idea has no chance in hell of ever getting approval.
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(11-19-2021 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-19-2021 04:10 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  The “double hook” is an attempt to fix a real problem (starting pitchers not going deep into games). It’s just that this particular solution is WORSE than the problem.

no a lot of it is traditionalists wanting to keep the dumb pitching batting strategy in the game. Like double switches and pinch hitting is so important.

Thankfully the idea has no chance in hell of ever getting approval.

Damn, what, are you bitter about it or something?

First of all, I don't need an explanation. The name of the thread asks us what we WANT from the CBA. Rest assured that neither MLB nor the PA is looking to me for ideas so try worrying about something more important.

Secondly, no one said you had to remove the player from the game. The concept is that you lose the DH slot when their at-bat comes up. The player can stay in or not, that adds a layer of strategy.

Really don't give a crap if you or anyone else likes the idea or not. I didn't ask for your approval. I was ASKED what I wanted.
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(11-19-2021 09:49 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(11-19-2021 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-19-2021 04:10 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  The “double hook” is an attempt to fix a real problem (starting pitchers not going deep into games). It’s just that this particular solution is WORSE than the problem.

no a lot of it is traditionalists wanting to keep the dumb pitching batting strategy in the game. Like double switches and pinch hitting is so important.

Thankfully the idea has no chance in hell of ever getting approval.

Damn, what, are you bitter about it or something?

First of all, I don't need an explanation. The name of the thread asks us what we WANT from the CBA. Rest assured that neither MLB nor the PA is looking to me for ideas so try worrying about something more important.

Secondly, no one said you had to remove the player from the game. The concept is that you lose the DH slot when their at-bat comes up. The player can stay in or not, that adds a layer of strategy.

Really don't give a crap if you or anyone else likes the idea or not. I didn't ask for your approval. I was ASKED what I wanted.

thank GOD you aren't in charge. Would be a horrible concept.
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While I loathe the DH, I've accepted it's inevitability in the NL.
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DH in the NL would make me quit watching baseball altogether. At that point, they might as well scrap the NL/AL and go to a East/West format.
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