(12-30-2021 04:28 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 02:38 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(12-29-2021 07:53 PM)EagleHawk Wrote:  

(12-29-2021 06:19 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Once again, I ask this GENERAL question: How are all of these players who are transferring going to get scholarships for 2nd semester at their next school?
Unless the NCAA has made changes to the rules, the scholarship is for one academic year. A scholarship given to Hutchinson can not be given to another recruit next month. It can be given in Feb. to a 2022/23 recruit

So where are these hundreds and hundreds of transfers going to get their scholarships for next semester? Is a player going to pony up say 25K to transfer from Ohio to Marshall? Why?

Are schools sitting on unused (not issued) 2021/2 athletic scholarships?

For the vast majority of these guys they likely won't find a scholarship, thus they just threw away an all expense paid education.

Sadly, you are correct.
I've said for a long time that the NCAA will correct this with new rules in about 2 years when all the data comes out on how many guys left and never were picked up or transferred and their credits didnt. If you think football is bad, look on verbalcommits.com and tally up all the Division 1 basketball players. It's astounding. Where will all the "Power to the players!!!" advocates be when they see how many guys screwed themselves out of a degree.

I'm not totally opposed to the Portal, I just think it needs to be way more regulated (i.e. limiting amount of transfers for an individual)

It’s really easy to fix.

1) First transfer is free.
2) Second transfer requires a year to sit out, regardless of circumstances. No waivers allowed of any kind. No intraconference transfer allowed (for second one only).

Voila.

I like it.

It balances the student-athletes rights to transfer and change schools with the realization that unlimited transferring is chaotic and contrary any kind of order within inter-collegiate athletics.

BTW, the big problem is the NCAA. This Tweet speaks volumes... Emmert is about as popular as... (fill in the blank).

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/...01959?s=20

(12-30-2021 04:43 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 04:28 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 02:38 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(12-29-2021 07:53 PM)EagleHawk Wrote:  

(12-29-2021 06:19 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Once again, I ask this GENERAL question: How are all of these players who are transferring going to get scholarships for 2nd semester at their next school?
Unless the NCAA has made changes to the rules, the scholarship is for one academic year. A scholarship given to Hutchinson can not be given to another recruit next month. It can be given in Feb. to a 2022/23 recruit

So where are these hundreds and hundreds of transfers going to get their scholarships for next semester? Is a player going to pony up say 25K to transfer from Ohio to Marshall? Why?

Are schools sitting on unused (not issued) 2021/2 athletic scholarships?

For the vast majority of these guys they likely won't find a scholarship, thus they just threw away an all expense paid education.

Sadly, you are correct.
I've said for a long time that the NCAA will correct this with new rules in about 2 years when all the data comes out on how many guys left and never were picked up or transferred and their credits didnt. If you think football is bad, look on verbalcommits.com and tally up all the Division 1 basketball players. It's astounding. Where will all the "Power to the players!!!" advocates be when they see how many guys screwed themselves out of a degree.

I'm not totally opposed to the Portal, I just think it needs to be way more regulated (i.e. limiting amount of transfers for an individual)

It’s really easy to fix.

1) First transfer is free.
2) Second transfer requires a year to sit out, regardless of circumstances. No waivers allowed of any kind. No intraconference transfer allowed (for second one only).

Voila.

I like it.

It balances the student-athletes rights to transfer and change schools with the realization that unlimited transferring is chaotic and contrary any kind of order within inter-collegiate athletics.

BTW, the big problem is the NCAA. This Tweet speaks volumes... Emmert is about as popular as... (fill in the blank).

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/...01959?s=20

Then in fairness, you also need to address the coaching migration issue as well. Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley leaving their teams before the end of the season is an issue that needs attention as well. Can you imagine the Jacksonville Jags inking Mike Tomlin to a multi-million dollar contract at this point in the NFL season?

(12-30-2021 04:43 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 04:28 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 02:38 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(12-29-2021 07:53 PM)EagleHawk Wrote:  

(12-29-2021 06:19 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Once again, I ask this GENERAL question: How are all of these players who are transferring going to get scholarships for 2nd semester at their next school?
Unless the NCAA has made changes to the rules, the scholarship is for one academic year. A scholarship given to Hutchinson can not be given to another recruit next month. It can be given in Feb. to a 2022/23 recruit

So where are these hundreds and hundreds of transfers going to get their scholarships for next semester? Is a player going to pony up say 25K to transfer from Ohio to Marshall? Why?

Are schools sitting on unused (not issued) 2021/2 athletic scholarships?

For the vast majority of these guys they likely won't find a scholarship, thus they just threw away an all expense paid education.

Sadly, you are correct.
I've said for a long time that the NCAA will correct this with new rules in about 2 years when all the data comes out on how many guys left and never were picked up or transferred and their credits didnt. If you think football is bad, look on verbalcommits.com and tally up all the Division 1 basketball players. It's astounding. Where will all the "Power to the players!!!" advocates be when they see how many guys screwed themselves out of a degree.

I'm not totally opposed to the Portal, I just think it needs to be way more regulated (i.e. limiting amount of transfers for an individual)

It’s really easy to fix.

1) First transfer is free.
2) Second transfer requires a year to sit out, regardless of circumstances. No waivers allowed of any kind. No intraconference transfer allowed (for second one only).

Voila.

I like it.

It balances the student-athletes rights to transfer and change schools with the realization that unlimited transferring is chaotic and contrary any kind of order within inter-collegiate athletics.

BTW, the big problem is the NCAA. This Tweet speaks volumes... Emmert is about as popular as... (fill in the blank).

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/...01959?s=20

Agreed. The NCAA seems to enjoy chaos.

(12-30-2021 11:52 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 04:43 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 04:28 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 02:38 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(12-29-2021 07:53 PM)EagleHawk Wrote:  For the vast majority of these guys they likely won't find a scholarship, thus they just threw away an all expense paid education.

Sadly, you are correct.
I've said for a long time that the NCAA will correct this with new rules in about 2 years when all the data comes out on how many guys left and never were picked up or transferred and their credits didnt. If you think football is bad, look on verbalcommits.com and tally up all the Division 1 basketball players. It's astounding. Where will all the "Power to the players!!!" advocates be when they see how many guys screwed themselves out of a degree.

I'm not totally opposed to the Portal, I just think it needs to be way more regulated (i.e. limiting amount of transfers for an individual)

It’s really easy to fix.

1) First transfer is free.
2) Second transfer requires a year to sit out, regardless of circumstances. No waivers allowed of any kind. No intraconference transfer allowed (for second one only).

Voila.

I like it.

It balances the student-athletes rights to transfer and change schools with the realization that unlimited transferring is chaotic and contrary any kind of order within inter-collegiate athletics.

BTW, the big problem is the NCAA. This Tweet speaks volumes... Emmert is about as popular as... (fill in the blank).

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/...01959?s=20

Agreed. The NCAA seems to enjoy chaos.

I have never seen an enterprise, like the NCAA, fold its tent so quickly, badly after losing the court cases.

totally clueless.

Just a clarification. I have seen some posts that indicate Bryant is still on the roster. In fact I checked this morning and Bryant is NOT on the roster.

(12-31-2021 08:17 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Just a clarification. I have seen some posts that indicate Bryant is still on the roster. In fact I checked this morning and Bryant is NOT on the roster.

Bryant's twitter page still says QB at EMU. What is happening. Is he officially in the portal or not? I do t want to hear about "he has the right..." blah, blah, blah.... all that is doing is hindering the teams plan moving forward. More ambiguity from Bryant....

(12-31-2021 08:30 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 08:17 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Just a clarification. I have seen some posts that indicate Bryant is still on the roster. In fact I checked this morning and Bryant is NOT on the roster.

Bryant's twitter page still says QB at EMU. What is happening. Is he officially in the portal or not? I do t want to hear about "he has the right..." blah, blah, blah.... all that is doing is hindering the teams plan moving forward. More ambiguity from Bryant....

Could be that he doesn't spend much time on Twitter. Regardless, I think his character has spoken. Hopefully he's gone. Time to move forward and play a kid that wants to be EMUs QB.

(12-31-2021 08:30 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 08:17 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Just a clarification. I have seen some posts that indicate Bryant is still on the roster. In fact I checked this morning and Bryant is NOT on the roster.

Bryant's twitter page still says QB at EMU. What is happening. Is he officially in the portal or not? I do t want to hear about "he has the right..." blah, blah, blah.... all that is doing is hindering the teams plan moving forward. More ambiguity from Bryant....

Anyone trying to figure out our QB situation would probably do better trying to time the stock market.

I have NO idea what is in anyone head, except mine, and mine doesn't mean anything.

Literally trying to predict someone behavior is damn near impossible. Psychologists try to offer their 'expert' opinion on a repeat offender or mentally ill patient or sex offender and struggle to reach a high bar.

To the best of my knowledge neither C.C. nor Bryant has spoken publicly (or privately to anyone we have access). We are flying dark.

(12-31-2021 09:04 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 08:30 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 08:17 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Just a clarification. I have seen some posts that indicate Bryant is still on the roster. In fact I checked this morning and Bryant is NOT on the roster.

Bryant's twitter page still says QB at EMU. What is happening. Is he officially in the portal or not? I do t want to hear about "he has the right..." blah, blah, blah.... all that is doing is hindering the teams plan moving forward. More ambiguity from Bryant....

Could be that he doesn't spend much time on Twitter. Regardless, I think his character has spoken. Hopefully he's gone. Time to move forward and play a kid that wants to be EMUs QB.

Agree - he’s one dimensional. I wouldn’t want Bryant back now if he can’t get a P5 offer

Buffalo QB Kyle Vantrease is now in the Portal.

He threw for 1,800 yds and 8 TD's this last season. He will have 1 yr left of eligibility.

Bryant is no longer on the roster

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...036698002/

(12-31-2021 04:40 PM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...036698002/

Thanks for the post '79. Well Sam you were right about the auto extension. I would have thought we would have learned from the Murphy debacle. 20 win seasons playing cupcakes OOC and getting to one of 40 bowl games are NOT truly great accomplishments. When you don't have the money to fire a coach, extending him to 2026 is ludicrous to me and I am a Creighton fan.

Dear Jerry,
While I agree with you, who gave him that in his contract? That is the person who is responsible, guilty, whatever.

(12-31-2021 12:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 11:52 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 04:43 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 04:28 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 02:38 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  Sadly, you are correct.
I've said for a long time that the NCAA will correct this with new rules in about 2 years when all the data comes out on how many guys left and never were picked up or transferred and their credits didnt. If you think football is bad, look on verbalcommits.com and tally up all the Division 1 basketball players. It's astounding. Where will all the "Power to the players!!!" advocates be when they see how many guys screwed themselves out of a degree.

I'm not totally opposed to the Portal, I just think it needs to be way more regulated (i.e. limiting amount of transfers for an individual)

It’s really easy to fix.

1) First transfer is free.
2) Second transfer requires a year to sit out, regardless of circumstances. No waivers allowed of any kind. No intraconference transfer allowed (for second one only).

Voila.

I like it.

It balances the student-athletes rights to transfer and change schools with the realization that unlimited transferring is chaotic and contrary any kind of order within inter-collegiate athletics.

BTW, the big problem is the NCAA. This Tweet speaks volumes... Emmert is about as popular as... (fill in the blank).

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/...01959?s=20

Agreed. The NCAA seems to enjoy chaos.

I have never seen an enterprise, like the NCAA, fold its tent so quickly, badly after losing the court cases.

totally clueless.

Over 500 people work for the NCAA and Emmert makes close to $3M a year. Other than negotiating TV rights to NCAA tourneys, they actually do little. They are the poster child for bureaucratic inefficiency.

(12-31-2021 05:47 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 12:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 11:52 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 04:43 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 04:28 PM)holybovine Wrote:  It’s really easy to fix.

1) First transfer is free.
2) Second transfer requires a year to sit out, regardless of circumstances. No waivers allowed of any kind. No intraconference transfer allowed (for second one only).

Voila.

I like it.

It balances the student-athletes rights to transfer and change schools with the realization that unlimited transferring is chaotic and contrary any kind of order within inter-collegiate athletics.

BTW, the big problem is the NCAA. This Tweet speaks volumes... Emmert is about as popular as... (fill in the blank).

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/...01959?s=20

Agreed. The NCAA seems to enjoy chaos.

I have never seen an enterprise, like the NCAA, fold its tent so quickly, badly after losing the court cases.

totally clueless.

Over 500 people work for the NCAA and Emmert makes close to $3M a year. Other than negotiating TV rights to NCAA tourneys, they actually do little. They are the poster child for bureaucratic inefficiency.

They certainly lost most of their power.

I think now they are afraid of lawsuits which might bankrupt the NCAA. They lost in the courts and Congress hasn't been their friend.

They never put up a fight after they lost in the courts. Normally they should have been expected to turn to Congress for legislative help, but they saw an unfriendly adversary.

(12-31-2021 05:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 05:47 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 12:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 11:52 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 04:43 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I like it.

It balances the student-athletes rights to transfer and change schools with the realization that unlimited transferring is chaotic and contrary any kind of order within inter-collegiate athletics.

BTW, the big problem is the NCAA. This Tweet speaks volumes... Emmert is about as popular as... (fill in the blank).

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/...01959?s=20

Agreed. The NCAA seems to enjoy chaos.

I have never seen an enterprise, like the NCAA, fold its tent so quickly, badly after losing the court cases.

totally clueless.

Over 500 people work for the NCAA and Emmert makes close to $3M a year. Other than negotiating TV rights to NCAA tourneys, they actually do little. They are the poster child for bureaucratic inefficiency.

They certainly lost most of their power.

I think now they are afraid of lawsuits which might bankrupt the NCAA. They lost in the courts and Congress hasn't been their friend.

They never put up a fight after they lost in the courts. Normally they should have been expected to turn to Congress for legislative help, but they saw an unfriendly adversary.

If I were Emmert I would not like to sit in front of a bunch of TV exposure hungry legislators and defend my organization's performance vs. its budget. One could argue that Ken Lay of Enron had a similar performance record to Mark and his predecessor Myles Brand. Let's be honest here, most College presidents, while highly educated in a particular academic discipline, are bereft of the skills to manage a business organization.

The current student debt crisis is proof of this. College costs have spiraled out of control and while reduced govt assistance has contributed to that, it hardly explains the hyper-inflation of tuition charges that have occurred in the past 30 or so years.

(12-31-2021 05:39 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 04:40 PM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...036698002/

Thanks for the post '79. Well Sam you were right about the auto extension. I would have thought we would have learned from the Murphy debacle. 20 win seasons playing cupcakes OOC and getting to one of 40 bowl games are NOT truly great accomplishments. When you don't have the money to fire a coach, extending him to 2026 is ludicrous to me and I am a Creighton fan.

i know weve done this on a different thread - but theres a pretty big difference between getting into a bowl game vs. winning 20 games (4 of which against NAIA schools)

(12-31-2021 08:13 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 05:39 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-31-2021 04:40 PM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...036698002/

Thanks for the post '79. Well Sam you were right about the auto extension. I would have thought we would have learned from the Murphy debacle. 20 win seasons playing cupcakes OOC and getting to one of 40 bowl games are NOT truly great accomplishments. When you don't have the money to fire a coach, extending him to 2026 is ludicrous to me and I am a Creighton fan.

i know weve done this on a different thread - but theres a pretty big difference between getting into a bowl game vs. winning 20 games (4 of which against NAIA schools)

Maybe not. To win 16 D-1 games is NOT as easy as folks seem to thing.

Say 9 - 7 in the old MAC schedule and win 6 D-I OOC games and say min. of 1 MAC tourney win.

I think 6 - 6 as is the NCAA standards for a bowl bid is about the same difficulty. Win half of your conference games and 2 of 4 OOC.

Never understood the logic that 16 D-I MBB game wins is less of an accomplishment than 6 FBS/FCS wins.

The big difference is that a MAC 6 - 6 FB team got an ESPN bowl bid on Christmas while a 20 win MBB might get a CIT bid and no TV. The REAL difference is that college (and NFL) football is so popular that people will watch a .500 MAC team play a .500 SBC team but NOT the same in MBB.

MSU is up to 17 transfers including a new one, a RF DT from Indiana. We have been known to take a transfer every year or two from Sparty, including one in December.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...-NLETTER65