(02-09-2022 03:50 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 04:42 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 03:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 04:21 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  So, when is okay to worry?

We know we are losing a few and we currently have nobody coming in…

Last year it was after the season when we got:
4/8/21 - Timberlake
4/22/21 - Lawson x2
8/6/21 - Duren
8/25/21 - Bates

So pick your date to start worrying, but it ain't now.

And that strategy is not exactly working out... The portal transfers by nature have to be later. However, I really do not think the strategy of adding players last minute, like was done with Bates and Duren, bodes well for team chemistry and all but guarantees a slow start. It was either this thread or another but someone referred to it as pulling a rabbit out of the hat and that does not seem like a sound recruiting strategy. Beyond all of that, we already had multiple other recruits committed/signed. We were not going into April with ZERO recruits on board. This is very different than last year.

LOL
you quibble with the #1 class from last year
we got an entire starting lineup after the season last year
in that case, worry if you must

Again… how is that working out? We have had 2 #1 classes and yet to make an NCAA tournament.

Moving goalposts?
I thought your worry was about recruiting.
Now it seems as just another thinly veiled opportunity to take a shot at Penny.

(02-09-2022 03:50 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 04:42 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 03:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 04:21 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  So, when is okay to worry?

We know we are losing a few and we currently have nobody coming in…

Last year it was after the season when we got:
4/8/21 - Timberlake
4/22/21 - Lawson x2
8/6/21 - Duren
8/25/21 - Bates

So pick your date to start worrying, but it ain't now.

And that strategy is not exactly working out... The portal transfers by nature have to be later. However, I really do not think the strategy of adding players last minute, like was done with Bates and Duren, bodes well for team chemistry and all but guarantees a slow start. It was either this thread or another but someone referred to it as pulling a rabbit out of the hat and that does not seem like a sound recruiting strategy. Beyond all of that, we already had multiple other recruits committed/signed. We were not going into April with ZERO recruits on board. This is very different than last year.

LOL
you quibble with the #1 class from last year
we got an entire starting lineup after the season last year
in that case, worry if you must

Again… how is that working out? We have had 2 #1 classes and yet to make an NCAA tournament.

Yeah gonna be really hard to put together pieces that fit this late in the game. He is just gonna scrammble and get the best names he can get and now you have to start to wonder will they still take his pitch after this bomb of a season and so many players post-college career stocks dropping here.

Ike needs to tell all Dudes to chill.
IKE's sources tell Ike, Penny has 4 quality Dudes who will commit at the proper time.
Ike has been requested to Lay Low regarding these Dudes

(02-11-2022 11:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 03:50 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 04:42 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 03:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Last year it was after the season when we got:
4/8/21 - Timberlake
4/22/21 - Lawson x2
8/6/21 - Duren
8/25/21 - Bates

So pick your date to start worrying, but it ain't now.

And that strategy is not exactly working out... The portal transfers by nature have to be later. However, I really do not think the strategy of adding players last minute, like was done with Bates and Duren, bodes well for team chemistry and all but guarantees a slow start. It was either this thread or another but someone referred to it as pulling a rabbit out of the hat and that does not seem like a sound recruiting strategy. Beyond all of that, we already had multiple other recruits committed/signed. We were not going into April with ZERO recruits on board. This is very different than last year.

LOL
you quibble with the #1 class from last year
we got an entire starting lineup after the season last year
in that case, worry if you must

Again… how is that working out? We have had 2 #1 classes and yet to make an NCAA tournament.

Moving goalposts?
I thought your worry was about recruiting.
Now it seems as just another thinly veiled opportunity to take a shot at Penny.

No, some of us do not see actions as happening in a vacuum... When you do not have any recruits lined up now then you are left hoping you can find the right pieces to come in and compliment the players you have now. Recruiting is clearly not about just getting the best players on paper. It is about bringing in guys that compliment the existing players, fit the mentality of the team/coaches, and so on. You bring in freshman that are the building blocks for future success.

On paper, before the season, we were like 4th in betting odds to win the national championship, now it is a real possibility we do not even make the tournament...

This is not a thinly veiled shot at Penny... I am clearly expressing concern about the situation in which Penny is clearly in charge of. You want to make this personal to Penny but it is not. I assure you it would not matter who our coach was. If we were starting down year 4 of no tournament as a real possibility, had 3 or 4 decommitments and no freshman signed or committed I would be expressing the same concern.

(02-14-2022 10:55 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 11:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 03:50 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 04:42 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  And that strategy is not exactly working out... The portal transfers by nature have to be later. However, I really do not think the strategy of adding players last minute, like was done with Bates and Duren, bodes well for team chemistry and all but guarantees a slow start. It was either this thread or another but someone referred to it as pulling a rabbit out of the hat and that does not seem like a sound recruiting strategy. Beyond all of that, we already had multiple other recruits committed/signed. We were not going into April with ZERO recruits on board. This is very different than last year.

LOL
you quibble with the #1 class from last year
we got an entire starting lineup after the season last year
in that case, worry if you must

Again… how is that working out? We have had 2 #1 classes and yet to make an NCAA tournament.

Moving goalposts?
I thought your worry was about recruiting.
Now it seems as just another thinly veiled opportunity to take a shot at Penny.

No, some of us do not see actions as happening in a vacuum... When you do not have any recruits lined up now then you are left hoping you can find the right pieces to come in and compliment the players you have now. Recruiting is clearly not about just getting the best players on paper. It is about bringing in guys that compliment the existing players, fit the mentality of the team/coaches, and so on. You bring in freshman that are the building blocks for future success.

On paper, before the season, we were like 4th in betting odds to win the national championship, now it is a real possibility we do not even make the tournament...

This is not a thinly veiled shot at Penny... I am clearly expressing concern about the situation in which Penny is clearly in charge of. You want to make this personal to Penny but it is not. I assure you it would not matter who our coach was. If we were starting down year 4 of no tournament as a real possibility, had 3 or 4 decommitments and no freshman signed or committed I would be expressing the same concern.

I'll take the shot at Penny...

The start of this season is on him...Hopefully he learned from it.

Team is playing better now...But that is after healing from early season preventable issues.

A lot of coaches are focusing on the transfer market for talent. If you take a freshman and he isn't a Duren that can come and contribute immediately then you spend a year helping him to adjust only for him to transfer elsewhere. Penny look like he's taking that approach. Plus he's not in on a difference maker in 22 like he's on some in 23.

(02-14-2022 11:27 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  A lot of coaches are focusing on the transfer market for talent. If you take a freshman and he isn't a Duren that can come and contribute immediately then you spend a year helping him to adjust only for him to transfer elsewhere. Penny look like he's taking that approach. Plus he's not in on a difference maker in 22 like he's on some in 23.

And you base this changed philosophy on what, that he no longer has any signed recruits?

(02-15-2022 10:19 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 11:27 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  A lot of coaches are focusing on the transfer market for talent. If you take a freshman and he isn't a Duren that can come and contribute immediately then you spend a year helping him to adjust only for him to transfer elsewhere. Penny look like he's taking that approach. Plus he's not in on a difference maker in 22 like he's on some in 23.

And you base this changed philosophy on what, that he no longer has any signed recruits?

He has talked about it for the last 2 months

(02-15-2022 01:35 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 10:19 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 11:27 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  A lot of coaches are focusing on the transfer market for talent. If you take a freshman and he isn't a Duren that can come and contribute immediately then you spend a year helping him to adjust only for him to transfer elsewhere. Penny look like he's taking that approach. Plus he's not in on a difference maker in 22 like he's on some in 23.

And you base this changed philosophy on what, that he no longer has any signed recruits?

He has talked about it for the last 2 months

I must have missied that.

(02-14-2022 05:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 10:55 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 11:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 03:50 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  LOL
you quibble with the #1 class from last year
we got an entire starting lineup after the season last year
in that case, worry if you must

Again… how is that working out? We have had 2 #1 classes and yet to make an NCAA tournament.

Moving goalposts?
I thought your worry was about recruiting.
Now it seems as just another thinly veiled opportunity to take a shot at Penny.

No, some of us do not see actions as happening in a vacuum... When you do not have any recruits lined up now then you are left hoping you can find the right pieces to come in and compliment the players you have now. Recruiting is clearly not about just getting the best players on paper. It is about bringing in guys that compliment the existing players, fit the mentality of the team/coaches, and so on. You bring in freshman that are the building blocks for future success.

On paper, before the season, we were like 4th in betting odds to win the national championship, now it is a real possibility we do not even make the tournament...

This is not a thinly veiled shot at Penny... I am clearly expressing concern about the situation in which Penny is clearly in charge of. You want to make this personal to Penny but it is not. I assure you it would not matter who our coach was. If we were starting down year 4 of no tournament as a real possibility, had 3 or 4 decommitments and no freshman signed or committed I would be expressing the same concern.

I'll take the shot at Penny...

The start of this season is on him...Hopefully he learned from it.

Team is playing better now...But that is after healing from early season preventable issues.

you're missing the point
The poster said he was worried about recruiting.
Some of us told him not to worry, as Penny has proven to be a recruiter and especially good at getting late-in-the-year guys.
Then he talks about not making the tourney.
it's classic goalpost moving

(02-19-2022 11:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 05:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 10:55 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 11:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 03:50 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Again… how is that working out? We have had 2 #1 classes and yet to make an NCAA tournament.

Moving goalposts?
I thought your worry was about recruiting.
Now it seems as just another thinly veiled opportunity to take a shot at Penny.

No, some of us do not see actions as happening in a vacuum... When you do not have any recruits lined up now then you are left hoping you can find the right pieces to come in and compliment the players you have now. Recruiting is clearly not about just getting the best players on paper. It is about bringing in guys that compliment the existing players, fit the mentality of the team/coaches, and so on. You bring in freshman that are the building blocks for future success.

On paper, before the season, we were like 4th in betting odds to win the national championship, now it is a real possibility we do not even make the tournament...

This is not a thinly veiled shot at Penny... I am clearly expressing concern about the situation in which Penny is clearly in charge of. You want to make this personal to Penny but it is not. I assure you it would not matter who our coach was. If we were starting down year 4 of no tournament as a real possibility, had 3 or 4 decommitments and no freshman signed or committed I would be expressing the same concern.

I'll take the shot at Penny...

The start of this season is on him...Hopefully he learned from it.

Team is playing better now...But that is after healing from early season preventable issues.

you're missing the point
The poster said he was worried about recruiting.
Some of us told him not to worry, as Penny has proven to be a recruiter and especially good at getting late-in-the-year guys.
Then he talks about not making the tourney.
it's classic goalpost moving

It is really isn’t if you read the thread. They are directly recruited… Again, you want to see recruiting in a vacuum and that is not reality…

(02-20-2022 08:06 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 11:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 05:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 10:55 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 11:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Moving goalposts?
I thought your worry was about recruiting.
Now it seems as just another thinly veiled opportunity to take a shot at Penny.

No, some of us do not see actions as happening in a vacuum... When you do not have any recruits lined up now then you are left hoping you can find the right pieces to come in and compliment the players you have now. Recruiting is clearly not about just getting the best players on paper. It is about bringing in guys that compliment the existing players, fit the mentality of the team/coaches, and so on. You bring in freshman that are the building blocks for future success.

On paper, before the season, we were like 4th in betting odds to win the national championship, now it is a real possibility we do not even make the tournament...

This is not a thinly veiled shot at Penny... I am clearly expressing concern about the situation in which Penny is clearly in charge of. You want to make this personal to Penny but it is not. I assure you it would not matter who our coach was. If we were starting down year 4 of no tournament as a real possibility, had 3 or 4 decommitments and no freshman signed or committed I would be expressing the same concern.

I'll take the shot at Penny...

The start of this season is on him...Hopefully he learned from it.

Team is playing better now...But that is after healing from early season preventable issues.

you're missing the point
The poster said he was worried about recruiting.
Some of us told him not to worry, as Penny has proven to be a recruiter and especially good at getting late-in-the-year guys.
Then he talks about not making the tourney.
it's classic goalpost moving

It is really isn’t if you read the thread. They are directly recruited… Again, you want to see recruiting in a vacuum and that is not reality…

So your point is that although we had the #1 recruiting class last year, that we signed them too late, and that is the reason for the under-performance?
Or do you actually believe that since we are a bubble team, that is why recruits are shying away?
(Totally ignoring that we have missed the tourney many recent years, and Penny keeps getting recruits?)
(And ignoring the fact that according to Batchelor, WE were the ones shying away from him?)
Help me out here.

(02-12-2022 03:30 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Ike needs to tell all Dudes to chill.
IKE's sources tell Ike, Penny has 4 quality Dudes who will commit at the proper time.
Ike has been requested to Lay Low regarding these Dudes

4 quality dudes?

Whatchu talkin' bout Willis?