(11-12-2021 02:26 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

And the three future Scum Belch members blame MacLeod for the media rights contract no thanks to two of those new members voting to support stabbing our previous media partner in the back.

I blame Judy for jumping on the 1st contract offered to her. But CUSA is in this situation because of RC Johnson (Memphis AD 1996-2012) and Britton Banowsky. RC Johnson is the one that led the charge for CUSA to leave ESPN. For what ever reason he wanted to try and screw "The Mouse House". UAB, SMU and UTEP jumped on board immediately.

But 95% of the crap that has gotten on CUSA, happened on Banowsky's watch.

Totally agree ODU and Charlotte was Banowski's idea too.

(11-12-2021 01:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

And the three future Scum Belch members blame MacLeod for the media rights contract no thanks to two of those new members voting to support stabbing our previous media partner in the back.

You got a link for that.

(11-12-2021 07:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 05:02 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  I don't think USM or marshal could afford to stay in C-USA from a monetary standpoint. It became too expensive for them.
So they were gone no matter what.

I disagree. Both were trying for the Big East/AAC for years. I think after we got a good AD he looked at what was out there he felt the SBC was a good fit.

I can't speak as to why ODU and Marshall joined the SBC, but I feel that our AD felt this was a good move with the culture of the fans and footprint of the SBC vs CUSA.

He felt the SBC was a good fit because of his time at Troy. He was there during a transformative time for the conference as Troy, App, and Arkansas State were running things. Then there was a renewed commitment everywhere in terms of facilities and marketing, culminating in a 135% jump in viewership in 2020 and that increase has continued this season. It stands to reason that decreased travel costs, increased revenues (tickets, media, CFP payout) would allow USM to reassert themselves to aid the rebuilding of their program.

Everyone wants to make this as simple as one or two things but it isn't. For the two East schools, this was 5 years in the making. App's AD had been working for years on organizing an Eastern Wing for the Sun Belt or an eastern based standalone league. Egos at FAU, Charlotte, and likely ECU held that up as they were angling for the AAC, without looking at what was likely to happen to their payouts when certain programs left. So rather than create a standalone league, they added to the existing Sun Belt infrastructure and ODU and Marshall had the opening that they needed to bolt.

They weren't going to stick around just for Liberty. Liberty is a survival pick. Obviously C-USA ended up nabbing Liberty without the Virginia schools so if Marshall and ODU wanted to share a conference with Liberty they could have. They didn't want Liberty, so they left C-USA to avoid it.

(11-11-2021 06:04 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 05:48 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Basically wanting a travel partner for UTEP (NMSU) was too much for Marshall. Funny cuz Tarleton St was mentioned after Marshall had left along with McNeese St. Neither of who are in or expected to be in.

UTEP's needs, unfortunately, did not rate very high on the factors that went into Marshall and ODU's decisions. Marshall and ODU had been signaling months before they were working together on an Eastern strategy, and this presented an opportunity. The league with the best Eastern strategy (and one that also had a shiny new TV commitment) won the day...

It was mentioned in the Press Conference that Marshall and SoMiss had contacted the SBC over a year ago (spring of 2020).

(11-12-2021 09:13 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 07:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 05:02 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  I don't think USM or marshal could afford to stay in C-USA from a monetary standpoint. It became too expensive for them.
So they were gone no matter what.

I disagree. Both were trying for the Big East/AAC for years. I think after we got a good AD he looked at what was out there he felt the SBC was a good fit.

I can't speak as to why ODU and Marshall joined the SBC, but I feel that our AD felt this was a good move with the culture of the fans and footprint of the SBC vs CUSA.

He felt the SBC was a good fit because of his time at Troy. He was there during a transformative time for the conference as Troy, App, and Arkansas State were running things. Then there was a renewed commitment everywhere in terms of facilities and marketing, culminating in a 135% jump in viewership in 2020 and that increase has continued this season. It stands to reason that decreased travel costs, increased revenues (tickets, media, CFP payout) would allow USM to reassert themselves to aid the rebuilding of their program.

Everyone wants to make this as simple as one or two things but it isn't. For the two East schools, this was 5 years in the making. App's AD had been working for years on organizing an Eastern Wing for the Sun Belt or an eastern based standalone league. Egos at FAU, Charlotte, and likely ECU held that up as they were angling for the AAC, without looking at what was likely to happen to their payouts when certain programs left. So rather than create a standalone league, they added to the existing Sun Belt infrastructure and ODU and Marshall had the opening that they needed to bolt.

They weren't going to stick around just for Liberty. Liberty is a survival pick. Obviously C-USA ended up nabbing Liberty without the Virginia schools so if Marshall and ODU wanted to share a conference with Liberty they could have. They didn't want Liberty, so they left C-USA to avoid it.

Thats not how I hear it. Then why did CUSA wait until after those two left to invite LU? I believe there were other CUSA teams that didnt want LU, and didnt think ODU and MU would leave. They figured with ODU and MU in, JMU would come too. It is possible that JMU said no to joining with LU (I dont know that though). So once those three were off the CUSA table, Judy and/or the "no" voters got desperate and changed her mind about LU to save the league. It was the smart decision. But if she or they had made that choice sooner CUSA would be a lot different at the moment.

(11-12-2021 08:46 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  Totally agree ODU and Charlotte was Banowski's idea too.

BB was in charge when Cincy, Louisville, USF and TCU left
BB was in charge when CUSA let those 4 walk without paying an exit fee
BB was in charge of CUSA when the 1st expansion happened, a few schools I disagreed with then
BB was in charge when CUSA left ESPN
BB was in charge of CUSA when UCF, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, Houston, SMU and ECU left
BB was in charge of CUSA when he only got 6.2 million in buyout insted of 21 million
BB was in charge of CUSA when expansion happened again and they went "Market Shopping", instead of "Program Shopping"

So as much as people like to pile it on Judy, 95% of what happened to CUSA lies at the feet of Britton Banowsky. It happened on BB watch but Charlotte is Terry Holland's (ECU AD 2004-2013) baby.

(11-12-2021 11:23 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 08:46 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  Totally agree ODU and Charlotte was Banowski's idea too.

BB was in charge when Cincy, Louisville, USF and TCU left
BB was in charge when CUSA let those 4 walk without paying an exit fee
BB was in charge of CUSA when the 1st expansion happened, a few schools I disagreed with then
BB was in charge when CUSA left ESPN
BB was in charge of CUSA when UCF, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, Houston, SMU and ECU left
BB was in charge of CUSA when he only got 6.2 million in buyout insted of 21 million
BB was in charge of CUSA when expansion happened again and they went "Market Shopping", instead of "Program Shopping"

So as much as people like to pile it on Judy, 95% of what happened to CUSA lies at the feet of Britton Banowsky. It happened on BB watch but Charlotte is Terry Holland's (ECU AD 2004-2013) baby.

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(11-12-2021 02:26 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

And the three future Scum Belch members blame MacLeod for the media rights contract no thanks to two of those new members voting to support stabbing our previous media partner in the back.

I blame Judy for jumping on the 1st contract offered to her. But CUSA is in this situation because of RC Johnson (Memphis AD 1996-2012) and Britton Banowsky. RC Johnson is the one that led the charge for CUSA to leave ESPN. For what ever reason he wanted to try and screw "The Mouse House". UAB, SMU and UTEP jumped on board immediately.

But 95% of the crap that has gotten on CUSA, happened on Banowsky's watch.

Your guy in Huntington could've held firm and dissented, but he still voted "yes" in 2011--a change that required unanimous support.

(11-12-2021 12:57 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 02:26 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

And the three future Scum Belch members blame MacLeod for the media rights contract no thanks to two of those new members voting to support stabbing our previous media partner in the back.

I blame Judy for jumping on the 1st contract offered to her. But CUSA is in this situation because of RC Johnson (Memphis AD 1996-2012) and Britton Banowsky. RC Johnson is the one that led the charge for CUSA to leave ESPN. For what ever reason he wanted to try and screw "The Mouse House". UAB, SMU and UTEP jumped on board immediately.

But 95% of the crap that has gotten on CUSA, happened on Banowsky's watch.

Your guy in Huntington could've held firm and dissented, but he still voted "yes" in 2011--a change that required unanimous support.

Dr Kopp (Marshall's President) and Mike Hamrick (AD) where the last hold outs. But its hard to stand still on a move that everyone is for. Im sure there was a lot of that going on last week when CUSA was voting on new schools. A lot of nose holding when voting for various schools for different reasons.

(11-12-2021 09:05 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

And the three future Scum Belch members blame MacLeod for the media rights contract no thanks to two of those new members voting to support stabbing our previous media partner in the back.

You got a link for that.

Contact the Conference USA office then if you want to see the official votes because they don't publicize that on the Internet.

What is public is that somebody at Southern Miss approved of the decision. Just exactly whose words are these? Southern Miss' website doesn't share that info. Probably an official with the university, though.

https://southernmiss.com/news/2011/1/5/E..._2011.aspx

Quote:We are ecstatic about the new C-USA Television agreement announced today with Fox Sports Networks. The revenue is over twice the amount of the old contract and the football televised games will mainly be on Saturdays with a few slated for Thursday nights. The number of televised events will double in football and basketball.

As we get set for the 2011, once again, we call on our Eagle Club members and fans to support our Golden Eagle coaches and student-athletes. Our boosters and fans are the life-blood of our program and we gratefully appreciate your past support and look forward together making Southern Miss athletics the best it can be.

(11-12-2021 11:23 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 08:46 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  Totally agree ODU and Charlotte was Banowski's idea too.

BB was in charge when Cincy, Louisville, USF and TCU left
BB was in charge when CUSA let those 4 walk without paying an exit fee
BB was in charge of CUSA when the 1st expansion happened, a few schools I disagreed with then
BB was in charge when CUSA left ESPN
BB was in charge of CUSA when UCF, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, Houston, SMU and ECU left
BB was in charge of CUSA when he only got 6.2 million in buyout insted of 21 million
BB was in charge of CUSA when expansion happened again and they went "Market Shopping", instead of "Program Shopping"

So as much as people like to pile it on Judy, 95% of what happened to CUSA lies at the feet of Britton Banowsky. It happened on BB watch but Charlotte is Terry Holland's (ECU AD 2004-2013) baby.

Good points.

(11-12-2021 11:23 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 08:46 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  Totally agree ODU and Charlotte was Banowski's idea too.

BB was in charge when Cincy, Louisville, USF and TCU left
BB was in charge when CUSA let those 4 walk without paying an exit fee
BB was in charge of CUSA when the 1st expansion happened, a few schools I disagreed with then
BB was in charge when CUSA left ESPN
BB was in charge of CUSA when UCF, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, Houston, SMU and ECU left
BB was in charge of CUSA when he only got 6.2 million in buyout insted of 21 million
BB was in charge of CUSA when expansion happened again and they went "Market Shopping", instead of "Program Shopping"

So as much as people like to pile it on Judy, 95% of what happened to CUSA lies at the feet of Britton Banowsky. It happened on BB watch but Charlotte is Terry Holland's (ECU AD 2004-2013) baby.

Yep Banowski was terrible too. Probably a worse commissioner than she is. But, she was also associate conference commissioner during that whole time so don't tell me she had zero to do with anything during that whole time.

(11-12-2021 01:23 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:05 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

And the three future Scum Belch members blame MacLeod for the media rights contract no thanks to two of those new members voting to support stabbing our previous media partner in the back.

You got a link for that.

Contact the Conference USA office then if you want to see the official votes because they don't publicize that on the Internet.

What is public is that somebody at Southern Miss approved of the decision. Just exactly whose words are these? Southern Miss' website doesn't share that info. Probably an official with the university, though.

https://southernmiss.com/news/2011/1/5/E..._2011.aspx

Quote:We are ecstatic about the new C-USA Television agreement announced today with Fox Sports Networks. The revenue is over twice the amount of the old contract and the football televised games will mainly be on Saturdays with a few slated for Thursday nights. The number of televised events will double in football and basketball.

As we get set for the 2011, once again, we call on our Eagle Club members and fans to support our Golden Eagle coaches and student-athletes. Our boosters and fans are the life-blood of our program and we gratefully appreciate your past support and look forward together making Southern Miss athletics the best it can be.

That doesn't even say we voted on it. Your hatred of the sunbelt and us in particular is at bizarre levels. I mean in several threads you have pretty much blamed us for everything that has ever gone bad in this conference. It's almost comical.

(11-12-2021 01:23 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:05 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

And the three future Scum Belch members blame MacLeod for the media rights contract no thanks to two of those new members voting to support stabbing our previous media partner in the back.

You got a link for that.

Contact the Conference USA office then if you want to see the official votes because they don't publicize that on the Internet.

What is public is that somebody at Southern Miss approved of the decision. Just exactly whose words are these? Southern Miss' website doesn't share that info. Probably an official with the university, though.

https://southernmiss.com/news/2011/1/5/E..._2011.aspx

Quote:We are ecstatic about the new C-USA Television agreement announced today with Fox Sports Networks. The revenue is over twice the amount of the old contract and the football televised games will mainly be on Saturdays with a few slated for Thursday nights. The number of televised events will double in football and basketball.

As we get set for the 2011, once again, we call on our Eagle Club members and fans to support our Golden Eagle coaches and student-athletes. Our boosters and fans are the life-blood of our program and we gratefully appreciate your past support and look forward together making Southern Miss athletics the best it can be.

So the short answer is no, you were talking out of your @ss on this, like many other topics here. What team or university wouldn't echo what the conference did?

I can see not wanting to tick off ESPN, but if a major national network offered to double your exposure and double your payout without taking away many Sat games, I would think everyone would be for that too. Other than the fact it all fell apart a few years later, I don’t see where it was a bad choice at the time. Fox screwed CUSA by not renewing the deal.

(11-12-2021 02:41 PM)monarx Wrote:  I can see not wanting to tick off ESPN, but if a major national network offered to double your exposure and double your payout without taking away many Sat games, I would think everyone would be for that too. Other than the fact it all fell apart a few years later, I don’t see where it was a bad choice at the time. Fox screwed CUSA by not renewing the deal.

It's certainly not honorable to breach a contract no matter how much more they could make. It was 12 member schools voting in a change that served a short-term interest but with long-term consequences.

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

Lowly Sun Belt? You think now that since Charlotte is moving over to the AAC y'all are acually moving up? What a goof! Charlotte just made a lateral move. The Big 3 left the AAC. Do you realize that? Try to keep up. if UNCC advanced at all it's still not enough to equal what the SBC has. You need stop living in that make believe world of yours and get over yourself.

(11-12-2021 03:40 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 02:41 PM)monarx Wrote:  I can see not wanting to tick off ESPN, but if a major national network offered to double your exposure and double your payout without taking away many Sat games, I would think everyone would be for that too. Other than the fact it all fell apart a few years later, I don’t see where it was a bad choice at the time. Fox screwed CUSA by not renewing the deal.

It's certainly not honorable to breach a contract no matter how much more they could make. It was 12 member schools voting in a change that served a short-term interest but with long-term consequences.

The only breach was that we were supposed to give ESPN the opportunity to match the contract Fox was offering. That was in the ESPN contract. ESPN had already told them there was no more money and they could not guarantee Saturday games. They weren't going to match it. We should have a got a formal letter stating that. We didn't and ESPN sued us and retained the rights to the CUSA championship games and also got some $$. If anyone should have feelings of bad blood it should be CUSA towards ESPN, not the other way around.

MACtion started right after that. That would have been us on Tuesdays. Schools with actual attendance that makes them real money don't need to be having games on early weeknights. It's good for the MAC because no one goes to their games anyway. But it would not have been good for Houston, UCF, Marshall, ECU, USM, UTEP, Memphis, etc that all averaged over 25k at that time and were capable of 35k+ for any given game with the right implications. Hell, USM won the conference in 2011 after beating top ten Houston that would have gone to the BCS NY6 bowl had that not happened. They would not have jeopardized their relationship with ESPN unless ESPN was offering garbage. None of us would have.

Easy to come in here with hindsight and criticize what other schools in another time felt like they had to do. But certainly don't put any of the blame on the current schools for not ever being a product that anyone would ever want to pay for.

These UTEP guys in this thread crack me up, too. They average one win a year for more than a decade and suddenly, having a good year, want to point fingers. Why would any school base their future on what UTEP needed, when UTEP never made a single ******* decision on what was good for CUSA by elevating any of their programs until it was too late? They've always had one eye on the MWC. ALWAYS. Yet they want schools 2000 miles away to be loyal to them and stick with them? UTEP can go fk themselves. They've been fking the rest of us for years in travel costs and general suckage.

(11-12-2021 02:16 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:23 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:05 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

And the three future Scum Belch members blame MacLeod for the media rights contract no thanks to two of those new members voting to support stabbing our previous media partner in the back.

You got a link for that.

Contact the Conference USA office then if you want to see the official votes because they don't publicize that on the Internet.

What is public is that somebody at Southern Miss approved of the decision. Just exactly whose words are these? Southern Miss' website doesn't share that info. Probably an official with the university, though.

https://southernmiss.com/news/2011/1/5/E..._2011.aspx

Quote:We are ecstatic about the new C-USA Television agreement announced today with Fox Sports Networks. The revenue is over twice the amount of the old contract and the football televised games will mainly be on Saturdays with a few slated for Thursday nights. The number of televised events will double in football and basketball.

As we get set for the 2011, once again, we call on our Eagle Club members and fans to support our Golden Eagle coaches and student-athletes. Our boosters and fans are the life-blood of our program and we gratefully appreciate your past support and look forward together making Southern Miss athletics the best it can be.

That doesn't even say we voted on it. Your hatred of the sunbelt and us in particular is at bizarre levels. I mean in several threads you have pretty much blamed us for everything that has ever gone bad in this conference. It's almost comical.

He's a WAC-O

Wacko...

There. FCS fan scorned.

(11-12-2021 02:16 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:23 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:05 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:29 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 10:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the lowly sunbelt waiving entrance fees was a huge factor

And the three future Scum Belch members blame MacLeod for the media rights contract no thanks to two of those new members voting to support stabbing our previous media partner in the back.

You got a link for that.

Contact the Conference USA office then if you want to see the official votes because they don't publicize that on the Internet.

What is public is that somebody at Southern Miss approved of the decision. Just exactly whose words are these? Southern Miss' website doesn't share that info. Probably an official with the university, though.

https://southernmiss.com/news/2011/1/5/E..._2011.aspx

Quote:We are ecstatic about the new C-USA Television agreement announced today with Fox Sports Networks. The revenue is over twice the amount of the old contract and the football televised games will mainly be on Saturdays with a few slated for Thursday nights. The number of televised events will double in football and basketball.

As we get set for the 2011, once again, we call on our Eagle Club members and fans to support our Golden Eagle coaches and student-athletes. Our boosters and fans are the life-blood of our program and we gratefully appreciate your past support and look forward together making Southern Miss athletics the best it can be.

That doesn't even say we voted on it. Your hatred of the sunbelt and us in particular is at bizarre levels. I mean in several threads you have pretty much blamed us for everything that has ever gone bad in this conference. It's almost comical.

You have to contact Conference USA's office to figure out who voted for what. It was a decision lauded and supported by all members. Try to keep up.