(11-12-2021 10:01 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: Can someone address, why everyone that was against Liberty being in a FBS conference but never complained about them playing D1 in other sports?
Some of it is hypocrisy, a lot of it is relative power arrangements, a lot of it is the fact that Liberty IS different, has a different mission, and does things that most of academia doesn't like.
Quote:Where was the outrage at Liberty being in March Madness
Who decided they'd be in MArch Madness?
1. The Division I NCAA mucketymucks who approved Liberty's Division I application way back when. The Woke Students Association at Southern Tech doesn't have many opportunities to make those guys miserable.
2. The administrations at the Big South schools back in 1991 (as far as I can tell). Most of those guys are long retired, so the WSA at Southern Tech doesn't have much chance to yell at anybody about Liberty.
What could the Woke Students Association at Southern Tech do about Liberty? I suppose they could demand that Southern Tech boycott Liberty in the NCAA tournament in the 4-13 game. But all that does is let Liberty advance in the tournament, so I don't think that's going to get much traction
Quote: or NCAA Baseball Tournament?
Nobody cares about college baseball, especially the Woke Student Association
Quote:Those conferences so offended by Liberty sure a hell played them in football. played Liberty the first chance they got!
Rumor is that Liberty was cutting VERY big checks to schools to schedule them for their FBS games. Checks that schools like Old Dominion or Appalachian State or Charlotte or Georgia State didn't have to cut.
And Liberty's future schedules have a heaping helping of ODU, UVA and VT, schools under some amount of influence from the Virginia state government.
I'm not saying big fat checks make compromising your moral principles okay. I'm saying big fat checks give the Vice Assistant Provost a reason to suffer through being yelled at by the Woke Student Assocaition.
Quote:Those schools prior to FBS callup that were in the same conference as Liberty? These cries about about Liberty is not worthy of FBS is insane but FCS was ok?
The argument isn't that Liberty isn't worthy of FBS, it's that Liberty is a leper institution who should be shunned. Which is a big reason that Liberty got their FBS waiver--the (alleged) purpose of the conference requirement is to ensure that new FBS schools are vetted for FBS viability in terms of resources and stuff. Liberty easily met that threshold, the barrier was that Liberty has "realignment body odor" and nobody wanted to be in a conference with them.
They got into the Atlantic Sun because the Atlantic Sun is (was) a bottom feeder conference full of schools who are just happy to be in Division I. Which is at least *something* that the Deputy Assistant Dean of Hearing The Woke Students Complain at Kennesaw State or Florida Gulf Coast or JAcksonville U can say to the WSA.
Quote:Liberty is no better or worse than the schools already in FBS.
They're a lot newer, Division I since 1991, a school since 1971. (That's not super different from a lot of schools though). They're a lot different, founded by a controversial right-wing preacher and until recently controlled by a right-wing dynasty. They have a very different mission.
Their governance is very different--most other Division I schools aren't controlled by the wastrel offspring of the school founder. And, relative to the standard American university model, there is a lot more control of academics by the administration.
The identification with a founding family gives a lot of schools pause. And the quality of the particular famiily makes it a whole lot worse. Oral Roberts publicly preached against homosexuality, I'm sure. If they tried to go FBS, I'm sure they'd face resistance.
But they don't have Oral Roberts Jr as the semi-dicatorial president of the university preaching against homosexuality in public while, in private, getting off on watching their wives get railed by the pool boy. They don't have Oral Roberts Jr preaching against adultery and divorce while hailing a thrice-divorced President as a modern-day David.
Quote:To those who use the argument, well school a is already in a conference. How many found this argument okay when schools that have not performed in the P5 used the argument, not our fault, we happen to be in the SEC, ACC, PAC 12, B12 and B10.
I don't really know what you're talking about there. But I'll throw you an example--if Penn STate weren't a Big Ten member in 2011 (when the story broke), Sandusky could easily have kept them out of the Big Ten for that round of expansion. Fair or not, membership has its privileges.
