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(11-11-2021 08:46 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  I would add one to get the max amount of CFP money in the conference. Not much to the big schools but would take a little money away.

If they don't add enough to your TV package and Basketball credits (long term) then they'll end up costing every school in C-USA money. $200,000 means more at our level than $1,000,000 does at their level. The truth is that $1,000,000 loss gets spread over all the schools, so it is miniscule. Adding a 10th member to split everything except CFP money with won't be.
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(11-11-2021 09:01 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The below is a long post, that claims a lot but doesn't show any support. My answers to each are below in red.

(11-11-2021 04:20 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  While they could stand pat with 9, temporarily, it would probably be more advantageous to add one more school, at least, by 1/31/21 - - if they can add a good one.

1. It would strengthen the conference's perceived stature. Anything less than 10 would make the conference look weak at the very time when they most a boost in stature.
Raided by two other G5 conferences and everyone knows the MWC can have UTEP (and NMS) anytime they want them and the MAC just decided not to add WKU. Adding another FCS team doesn't change anyone's perception of C-USA's strength in a positive direction.

2. To be sustainable from the start, the CUSA will have to play a divisional schedule with 5 team divisions for all sports. This will require adding a 10th school, and doing it soon.
In what way does divisions make it more sustainable? Round Robin is very sustainable.

3. The 10th member - - a current FCS school - - will have to scramble to qualify for FBS when SHSU and JSU qualify, and a long delay in selecting a 10th school could delay the start of divisional play.
They don't need a 10th school, so . . .

4. The CUSA "4.0" only has 4 western teams lined up at present. It would be a big help to schools such as UTEP & NMSU if they can schedule 4 conference games vs. western teams so that they won't have to play 5 eastern CUSA teams.
Round Robin. Move on.

5. The conference's viewership potential will be gauged, in part, on the number of members it has. Adding a 10th would help the conference in its dealings with broadcasters by adding another segment of viewers. Broadcasters want "more" teams.
They didn't want C-USA with 14 FBS members, so why would they want it more because of a 3rd FCS school?

6. Regionally, the CUSA will start out stronger in the east (WKU, MTSU, Liberty, FIU) than in the west, where UTEP and La Tech will be the only remaining CUSA schools; NMSU and SHSU FB have much less brand recognition. To gain traction with regional viewers, they will have to add another western school.
Boise State isn't available and that's the only western G5 school that could even out Liberty.

---Adding another Texas school (e.g., SFAU) would build regional viewership in the southwestern part of the CUSA footprint, particularly in TX.
I doubt adding SFAU adds 1000 viewers to the TV package.

---Adding a school with widespread recognition as a FB power, such as NDSU, would (a) add viewership across a wider swath of the west-central (great plains) region, (b) (potentially) double the FB recognition of the CUSA West, and © boost the overall brand recognition of CUSA FB, not only regionally, but nationally, much like Appalachian State boosted the national brand recognition of the SBC.
Unless NDSU has a signature FBS win (like App over Michigan) that I don't know about, most FBS fans aren't going to be impressed. They have potential, but that is all.

Sothern Miss fans have separation anxiety... But 12 to 14 will be the final target, Judy said as much, but since C-USA is no longer in survival mode so the additional announcements could come as late as net year and still be added in time for the 2023 season...

Tarleton State University will probably be option #1, then either another Texas school, or one of Central Arkansas, Missouri State... (NDSU,SDSU, The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga)???
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(11-11-2021 09:01 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The below is a long post, that claims a lot but doesn't show any support. My answers to each are below in red.

(11-11-2021 04:20 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  While they could stand pat with 9, temporarily, it would probably be more advantageous to add one more school, at least, by 1/31/21 - - if they can add a good one.

1. It would strengthen the conference's perceived stature. Anything less than 10 would make the conference look weak at the very time when they most a boost in stature.
Raided by two other G5 conferences and everyone knows the MWC can have UTEP (and NMS) anytime they want them and the MAC just decided not to add WKU. Adding another FCS team doesn't change anyone's perception of C-USA's strength in a positive direction.

2. To be sustainable from the start, the CUSA will have to play a divisional schedule with 5 team divisions for all sports. This will require adding a 10th school, and doing it soon.
In what way does divisions make it more sustainable? Round Robin is very sustainable.

3. The 10th member - - a current FCS school - - will have to scramble to qualify for FBS when SHSU and JSU qualify, and a long delay in selecting a 10th school could delay the start of divisional play.
They don't need a 10th school, so . . .

4. The CUSA "4.0" only has 4 western teams lined up at present. It would be a big help to schools such as UTEP & NMSU if they can schedule 4 conference games vs. western teams so that they won't have to play 5 eastern CUSA teams.
Round Robin. Move on.

5. The conference's viewership potential will be gauged, in part, on the number of members it has. Adding a 10th would help the conference in its dealings with broadcasters by adding another segment of viewers. Broadcasters want "more" teams.
They didn't want C-USA with 14 FBS members, so why would they want it more because of a 3rd FCS school?

6. Regionally, the CUSA will start out stronger in the east (WKU, MTSU, Liberty, FIU) than in the west, where UTEP and La Tech will be the only remaining CUSA schools; NMSU and SHSU FB have much less brand recognition. To gain traction with regional viewers, they will have to add another western school.
Boise State isn't available and that's the only western G5 school that could even out Liberty.

---Adding another Texas school (e.g., SFAU) would build regional viewership in the southwestern part of the CUSA footprint, particularly in TX.
I doubt adding SFAU adds 1000 viewers to the TV package.

---Adding a school with widespread recognition as a FB power, such as NDSU, would (a) add viewership across a wider swath of the west-central (great plains) region, (b) (potentially) double the FB recognition of the CUSA West, and © boost the overall brand recognition of CUSA FB, not only regionally, but nationally, much like Appalachian State boosted the national brand recognition of the SBC.
Unless NDSU has a signature FBS win (like App over Michigan) that I don't know about, most FBS fans aren't going to be impressed. They have potential, but that is all.

"Unless NDSU has a signature FBS win (like App over Michigan) that I don't know about, most FBS fans aren't going to be impressed. They have potential, but that is all."

Try google
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(11-11-2021 09:01 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The below is a long post, that claims a lot but doesn't show any support. My answers to each are below in red.

(11-11-2021 04:20 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  While they could stand pat with 9, temporarily, it would probably be more advantageous to add one more school, at least, by 1/31/21 - - if they can add a good one.

1. It would strengthen the conference's perceived stature. Anything less than 10 would make the conference look weak at the very time when they most a boost in stature.
Raided by two other G5 conferences and everyone knows the MWC can have UTEP (and NMS) anytime they want them and the MAC just decided not to add WKU. Adding another FCS team doesn't change anyone's perception of C-USA's strength in a positive direction.

2. To be sustainable from the start, the CUSA will have to play a divisional schedule with 5 team divisions for all sports. This will require adding a 10th school, and doing it soon.
In what way does divisions make it more sustainable? Round Robin is very sustainable.

3. The 10th member - - a current FCS school - - will have to scramble to qualify for FBS when SHSU and JSU qualify, and a long delay in selecting a 10th school could delay the start of divisional play.
They don't need a 10th school, so . . .

4. The CUSA "4.0" only has 4 western teams lined up at present. It would be a big help to schools such as UTEP & NMSU if they can schedule 4 conference games vs. western teams so that they won't have to play 5 eastern CUSA teams.
Round Robin. Move on.

5. The conference's viewership potential will be gauged, in part, on the number of members it has. Adding a 10th would help the conference in its dealings with broadcasters by adding another segment of viewers. Broadcasters want "more" teams.
They didn't want C-USA with 14 FBS members, so why would they want it more because of a 3rd FCS school?

6. Regionally, the CUSA will start out stronger in the east (WKU, MTSU, Liberty, FIU) than in the west, where UTEP and La Tech will be the only remaining CUSA schools; NMSU and SHSU FB have much less brand recognition. To gain traction with regional viewers, they will have to add another western school.
Boise State isn't available and that's the only western G5 school that could even out Liberty.

---Adding another Texas school (e.g., SFAU) would build regional viewership in the southwestern part of the CUSA footprint, particularly in TX.
I doubt adding SFAU adds 1000 viewers to the TV package.

---Adding a school with widespread recognition as a FB power, such as NDSU, would (a) add viewership across a wider swath of the west-central (great plains) region, (b) (potentially) double the FB recognition of the CUSA West, and © boost the overall brand recognition of CUSA FB, not only regionally, but nationally, much like Appalachian State boosted the national brand recognition of the SBC.
Unless NDSU has a signature FBS win (like App over Michigan) that I don't know about, most FBS fans aren't going to be impressed. They have potential, but that is all.

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(11-11-2021 03:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  CUSA need to add more FCS schools for comfort. Football won't do because the next raid could put you under 7 again, and you need 8 including football to be an FBS conference.

We dropped to 5 this go round and recovered. No need to add programs just to be adding. 10 is the absolute max we should go. No Olympics only, no football only.

Missouri State would be great. Close enough to programs in East and West. Good hoops. Good football. Good sized market in a state with just one current FBS program.

Not sure anyone else is really ready from a geography, facility, budget, or performance standpoint.
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Need to drop 1 and go to 8..
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The next round will be when the Big XII adds SMU and Memphis from the AAC. But the AAC is already prepared for that and won’t back fill them.

You guys do need to look at a travel partner for FIU in Oly sports, FGCU would be that fit. If Central Arkansas is on the radar, add UALR as a travel partner for them. UTA would keep Oly sports in the DFW market as well.

If you guys are going after another FCS, they need time to do stadium additions like SHSU, to average 15k, your stadium needs to at least hold 15k.
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(11-11-2021 09:45 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The next round will be when the Big XII adds SMU and Memphis from the AAC. But the AAC is already prepared for that and won’t back fill them.

You guys do need to look at a travel partner for FIU in Oly sports, FGCU would be that fit. If Central Arkansas is on the radar, add UALR as a travel partner for them. UTA would keep Oly sports in the DFW market as well.

If you guys are going after another FCS, they need time to do stadium additions like SHSU, to average 15k, your stadium needs to at least hold 15k.

I have heard no compelling argument for the B12 to expand again.
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(11-11-2021 09:45 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The next round will be when the Big XII adds SMU and Memphis from the AAC. But the AAC is already prepared for that and won’t back fill them.

You guys do need to look at a travel partner for FIU in Oly sports, FGCU would be that fit. If Central Arkansas is on the radar, add UALR as a travel partner for them. UTA would keep Oly sports in the DFW market as well.

If you guys are going after another FCS, they need time to do stadium additions like SHSU, to average 15k, your stadium needs to at least hold 15k.

I don't see Oly only programs as a good long term fit and we aren't in desperation mode any more so there is no reason to add one just to be adding. FGCU is a good program, but what do we do with them if FIU ends up as USF's replacement?

We don't need to solve the SBCs problems for them with UALR or UTA.

Central Arkansas is on the radar, but I think Missouri State is the main target.

UCA can be part of the next wave if any more teams leave. Gives them time to prep.
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(11-11-2021 09:35 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Need to drop 1 and go to 8..

Liberty??? lol 05-stirthepot
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(11-11-2021 09:20 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 09:01 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The below is a long post, that claims a lot but doesn't show any support. My answers to each are below in red.

(11-11-2021 04:20 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  While they could stand pat with 9, temporarily, it would probably be more advantageous to add one more school, at least, by 1/31/21 - - if they can add a good one.

1. It would strengthen the conference's perceived stature. Anything less than 10 would make the conference look weak at the very time when they most a boost in stature.
Raided by two other G5 conferences and everyone knows the MWC can have UTEP (and NMS) anytime they want them and the MAC just decided not to add WKU. Adding another FCS team doesn't change anyone's perception of C-USA's strength in a positive direction.

2. To be sustainable from the start, the CUSA will have to play a divisional schedule with 5 team divisions for all sports. This will require adding a 10th school, and doing it soon.
In what way does divisions make it more sustainable? Round Robin is very sustainable.

3. The 10th member - - a current FCS school - - will have to scramble to qualify for FBS when SHSU and JSU qualify, and a long delay in selecting a 10th school could delay the start of divisional play.
They don't need a 10th school, so . . .

4. The CUSA "4.0" only has 4 western teams lined up at present. It would be a big help to schools such as UTEP & NMSU if they can schedule 4 conference games vs. western teams so that they won't have to play 5 eastern CUSA teams.
Round Robin. Move on.

5. The conference's viewership potential will be gauged, in part, on the number of members it has. Adding a 10th would help the conference in its dealings with broadcasters by adding another segment of viewers. Broadcasters want "more" teams.
They didn't want C-USA with 14 FBS members, so why would they want it more because of a 3rd FCS school?

6. Regionally, the CUSA will start out stronger in the east (WKU, MTSU, Liberty, FIU) than in the west, where UTEP and La Tech will be the only remaining CUSA schools; NMSU and SHSU FB have much less brand recognition. To gain traction with regional viewers, they will have to add another western school.
Boise State isn't available and that's the only western G5 school that could even out Liberty.

---Adding another Texas school (e.g., SFAU) would build regional viewership in the southwestern part of the CUSA footprint, particularly in TX.
I doubt adding SFAU adds 1000 viewers to the TV package.

---Adding a school with widespread recognition as a FB power, such as NDSU, would (a) add viewership across a wider swath of the west-central (great plains) region, (b) (potentially) double the FB recognition of the CUSA West, and © boost the overall brand recognition of CUSA FB, not only regionally, but nationally, much like Appalachian State boosted the national brand recognition of the SBC.
Unless NDSU has a signature FBS win (like App over Michigan) that I don't know about, most FBS fans aren't going to be impressed. They have potential, but that is all.

"Unless NDSU has a signature FBS win (like App over Michigan) that I don't know about, most FBS fans aren't going to be impressed. They have potential, but that is all."

Try google

Shows some people just do not keep up with college football. NDSU is a lot bigger brand than App State every was during their FCS days. NDSU is probably a better brand today with App being FBS.
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(11-11-2021 12:06 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  I mean, it’s impossible to say for sure.

But I think the circus is shut down for the winter.

But now the Icecapades are coming to town!!!!
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(11-11-2021 09:45 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The next round will be when the Big XII adds SMU and Memphis from the AAC. But the AAC is already prepared for that and won’t back fill them.

You guys do need to look at a travel partner for FIU in Oly sports, FGCU would be that fit. If Central Arkansas is on the radar, add UALR as a travel partner for them. UTA would keep Oly sports in the DFW market as well.

If you guys are going after another FCS, they need time to do stadium additions like SHSU, to average 15k, your stadium needs to at least hold 15k.


No, I think we will let Keith Gill and the Suck Belt football member school presidents unceremoniously strip Little Rock and Arlington of their conference home with no where to go. It's not our job to help take your garbage off your hands.
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First: Under no circumstance should CUSA admit an Olympic sport only or a Football only university to the conference.
Second: There is no longer any urgency to add anybody.
Third: If it becomes necessary to add anybody we should only expand to TEN.
Fourth: Best prospects currently are Missouri State and NDSU
Fifth: Get the dang Basketball Conference Tourneys out of Texas.
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There should be three more all sports adds one east two west. For divisions to reduce travel costs.
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(11-11-2021 10:31 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  First: Under no circumstance should CUSA admit an Olympic sport only or a Football only university to the conference.
Second: There is no longer any urgency to add anybody.
Third: If it becomes necessary to add anybody we should only expand to TEN.
Fourth: Best prospects currently are Missouri State and NDSU
Fifth: Get the dang Basketball Conference Tourneys out of Texas.

I would only suggest enough to largely retain same number direct bowl tie-ins. If we stay at 9 or even 10, we'll lose at least 2, possibly 3, direct bowl ties, and they'll be divvied up among the AAC and the Suck Belt.
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(11-11-2021 12:02 AM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  Has this round of expansion stopped? Will CUSA add anyone else? Will Big12 trigger it again soon or are they content?

No. I expect Coosa to add non-football members (two of which are UALR and UT-A).

I hope I'm wrong on that.
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(11-11-2021 10:37 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 12:02 AM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  Has this round of expansion stopped? Will CUSA add anyone else? Will Big12 trigger it again soon or are they content?

No. I expect Coosa to add non-football members (two of which are UALR and UT-A).

I hope I'm wrong on that.

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No, it shows that most folks don't keep up with FCS football. While NDSU has been a great story for those who do keep up, I'm not sure the 'average' person knows a great deal about them. Sure, they've had some good wins and some great publicity, but in the end they are viewed as a 2nd tier school, which is what FCS is. Don't get me wrong, as a Marshall fan I know a ton about the I-AA (as it was called then) level and competition and how good some of those teams really are. But it's really hard to build REAL brand recognition at the FCS level. To say NDSU is a better brand than APP is silly. Almost all FBS schools are bigger brands than the FCS schools simply due to playing at the highest level. Their scores and results get talked about on ESPN or at the very least is on the score ticker at the bottom of the screen. FCS schools are not, unless it's playoffs or they are playing a FBS school.
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(11-11-2021 10:43 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  No, it shows that most folks don't keep up with FCS football. While NDSU has been a great story for those who do keep up, I'm not sure the 'average' person knows a great deal about them. Sure, they've had some good wins and some great publicity, but in the end they are viewed as a 2nd tier school, which is what FCS is. Don't get me wrong, as a Marshall fan I know a ton about the I-AA (as it was called then) level and competition and how good some of those teams really are. But it's really hard to build REAL brand recognition at the FCS level. To say NDSU is a better brand than APP is silly. Almost all FBS schools are bigger brands than the FCS schools simply due to playing at the highest level. Their scores and results get talked about on ESPN or at the very least is on the score ticker at the bottom of the screen. FCS schools are not, unless it's playoffs or they are playing a FBS school.



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