(11-19-2021 11:27 AM)SammyH Wrote:  For one, Kennesaw State is only “good” because they play in one of the weaker conferences at the FCS level. The Big South is bleeding a slow death and will probably die when Monmouth bolts for the CAA. Kennesaw State has maybe been a top 10 team twice in their existence with a few fluke runs the the quarterfinals. Beyond that, they’re no different than your average SoCon team.

Most of Kennesaw’s revenue is student fees and they can’t draw a crowd to save their damn lives. Y’all though Sam was bad? Get this, Kennesaw State broke their home attendance record this year with a whopping 9500 fans. That was their RECORD. At the end of the day, it makes no sense to invite Kennesaw State. They’re a decent program that needs more money but doesn’t have much of a fanbase and is in an already saturated market. They’d be a bad add, but so was SHSU so we’ll see. Missouri State, Chattanooga, Lamar, SFA, EKU would all be better adds.

Yes, jones682, I’ve heard of Kennesaw State when we sent your ass packing from the playoffs a few years back. A playoff run we never hear then end of from your fans. Nobody makes getting to the quarterfinals sound like winning in Frisco like KSU fans do.

Kennesaw state has won playoff games and has beaten Missouri State before and is 3-0 against JSU plus KSU total athletic is 10M more then SHSU. KSU has a LARGER BUDGET THEN YOU. You want EKU to join but just read the following on EKU finances:

I did some more research around EKU and Kennesaw State athletic finances. You all mention that EKU is ready but KSU is not regarding moving up. You have to look at both of theses schools athletic finances over a period of time to make a conclusion. Looking at historical data over a period of time helps you understand theses schools from a financial standpoint. I sampled 2015-2020 data regarding allocations of revenue from students fees/government support and total revenue. (percentage wise)

EKU
Athletic budget
2015: 14.57
2016: 17.41M
2017: 17.02M
2018: 17.33M
2019: 16.48M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 74% or 10.74M
2016: 74% or 12.78M
2017: 77% or 13.11M
2018: 81% or 14.9M
2019: 81% or 13.33M

Kennesaw State

Athletic budget
2015: 20.14M
2016: 22.8M
2017: 24.19M
2018: 25.87M
2019: 27.58M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 84% or 17.36M
2016: 80% or 19.41
2017: 77% or 19.45M
2018: 78% or 20.22M
2019: 74% or 21.9M

Again 2020 is not a good year to pull data because of COVD 19 and every school was affect by COVID 19 financially. You have to look at the historical data over the past 5 to 10 years to evaluate a schools financial standing.

Both Kennesaw State and EKU revenue from Student fees and government support are similar (70-84%) over the past 5 years, however Kennesaw State has a higher overall budget with a larger student-body. In other words, If KSU is not ready EKU is not ready. In reality both these schools can make the jump, but it is up to the school at the end of the day.


Source http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-0

(11-19-2021 11:12 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 10:52 AM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is still waiting for the cusa invite.

Maybe NDSU should contact CUSA.

I'm pretty sure they were one of the 30 who did.

(11-19-2021 12:18 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:12 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 10:52 AM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is still waiting for the cusa invite.

Maybe NDSU should contact CUSA.

I'm pretty sure they were one of the 30 who did.

Did they? From what I've heard NDSU thinks its too good for CUSA and most of the G5's and want a B12 invite or a MWC invite if they have to slum it.

(11-19-2021 12:22 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:18 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:12 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 10:52 AM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is still waiting for the cusa invite.

Maybe NDSU should contact CUSA.

I'm pretty sure they were one of the 30 who did.

Did they? From what I've heard NDSU thinks its too good for CUSA and most of the G5's and want a B12 invite or a MWC invite if they have to slum it.

I think NDSU would go to the MW once Boise State leaves

(11-19-2021 12:12 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:27 AM)SammyH Wrote:  For one, Kennesaw State is only “good” because they play in one of the weaker conferences at the FCS level. The Big South is bleeding a slow death and will probably die when Monmouth bolts for the CAA. Kennesaw State has maybe been a top 10 team twice in their existence with a few fluke runs the the quarterfinals. Beyond that, they’re no different than your average SoCon team.

Most of Kennesaw’s revenue is student fees and they can’t draw a crowd to save their damn lives. Y’all though Sam was bad? Get this, Kennesaw State broke their home attendance record this year with a whopping 9500 fans. That was their RECORD. At the end of the day, it makes no sense to invite Kennesaw State. They’re a decent program that needs more money but doesn’t have much of a fanbase and is in an already saturated market. They’d be a bad add, but so was SHSU so we’ll see. Missouri State, Chattanooga, Lamar, SFA, EKU would all be better adds.

Yes, jones682, I’ve heard of Kennesaw State when we sent your ass packing from the playoffs a few years back. A playoff run we never hear then end of from your fans. Nobody makes getting to the quarterfinals sound like winning in Frisco like KSU fans do.

Kennesaw state has won playoff games and has beaten Missouri State before and is 3-0 against JSU plus KSU total athletic is 10M more then SHSU. KSU has a LARGER BUDGET THEN YOU. You want EKU to join but just read the following on EKU finances:

I did some more research around EKU and Kennesaw State athletic finances. You all mention that EKU is ready but KSU is not regarding moving up. You have to look at both of theses schools athletic finances over a period of time to make a conclusion. Looking at historical data over a period of time helps you understand theses schools from a financial standpoint. I sampled 2015-2020 data regarding allocations of revenue from students fees/government support and total revenue. (percentage wise)

EKU
Athletic budget
2015: 14.57
2016: 17.41M
2017: 17.02M
2018: 17.33M
2019: 16.48M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 74% or 10.74M
2016: 74% or 12.78M
2017: 77% or 13.11M
2018: 81% or 14.9M
2019: 81% or 13.33M

Kennesaw State

Athletic budget
2015: 20.14M
2016: 22.8M
2017: 24.19M
2018: 25.87M
2019: 27.58M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 84% or 17.36M
2016: 80% or 19.41
2017: 77% or 19.45M
2018: 78% or 20.22M
2019: 74% or 21.9M

Again 2020 is not a good year to pull data because of COVD 19 and every school was affect by COVID 19 financially. You have to look at the historical data over the past 5 to 10 years to evaluate a schools financial standing.

Both Kennesaw State and EKU revenue from Student fees and government support are similar (70-84%) over the past 5 years, however Kennesaw State has a higher overall budget with a larger student-body. In other words, If KSU is not ready EKU is not ready. In reality both these schools can make the jump, but it is up to the school at the end of the day.


Source http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-0

Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

(11-19-2021 01:56 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:12 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:27 AM)SammyH Wrote:  For one, Kennesaw State is only “good” because they play in one of the weaker conferences at the FCS level. The Big South is bleeding a slow death and will probably die when Monmouth bolts for the CAA. Kennesaw State has maybe been a top 10 team twice in their existence with a few fluke runs the the quarterfinals. Beyond that, they’re no different than your average SoCon team.

Most of Kennesaw’s revenue is student fees and they can’t draw a crowd to save their damn lives. Y’all though Sam was bad? Get this, Kennesaw State broke their home attendance record this year with a whopping 9500 fans. That was their RECORD. At the end of the day, it makes no sense to invite Kennesaw State. They’re a decent program that needs more money but doesn’t have much of a fanbase and is in an already saturated market. They’d be a bad add, but so was SHSU so we’ll see. Missouri State, Chattanooga, Lamar, SFA, EKU would all be better adds.

Yes, jones682, I’ve heard of Kennesaw State when we sent your ass packing from the playoffs a few years back. A playoff run we never hear then end of from your fans. Nobody makes getting to the quarterfinals sound like winning in Frisco like KSU fans do.

Kennesaw state has won playoff games and has beaten Missouri State before and is 3-0 against JSU plus KSU total athletic is 10M more then SHSU. KSU has a LARGER BUDGET THEN YOU. You want EKU to join but just read the following on EKU finances:

I did some more research around EKU and Kennesaw State athletic finances. You all mention that EKU is ready but KSU is not regarding moving up. You have to look at both of theses schools athletic finances over a period of time to make a conclusion. Looking at historical data over a period of time helps you understand theses schools from a financial standpoint. I sampled 2015-2020 data regarding allocations of revenue from students fees/government support and total revenue. (percentage wise)

EKU
Athletic budget
2015: 14.57
2016: 17.41M
2017: 17.02M
2018: 17.33M
2019: 16.48M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 74% or 10.74M
2016: 74% or 12.78M
2017: 77% or 13.11M
2018: 81% or 14.9M
2019: 81% or 13.33M

Kennesaw State

Athletic budget
2015: 20.14M
2016: 22.8M
2017: 24.19M
2018: 25.87M
2019: 27.58M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 84% or 17.36M
2016: 80% or 19.41
2017: 77% or 19.45M
2018: 78% or 20.22M
2019: 74% or 21.9M

Again 2020 is not a good year to pull data because of COVD 19 and every school was affect by COVID 19 financially. You have to look at the historical data over the past 5 to 10 years to evaluate a schools financial standing.

Both Kennesaw State and EKU revenue from Student fees and government support are similar (70-84%) over the past 5 years, however Kennesaw State has a higher overall budget with a larger student-body. In other words, If KSU is not ready EKU is not ready. In reality both these schools can make the jump, but it is up to the school at the end of the day.


Source http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-0

Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

Have you seen FAU and FIU arena also JSU arena? KSU arena is not that bad. KSU I just posted the numbers of the athletic revenue comes from the students above.

(11-19-2021 01:53 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:22 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:18 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:12 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 10:52 AM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is still waiting for the cusa invite.

Maybe NDSU should contact CUSA.

I'm pretty sure they were one of the 30 who did.

Did they? From what I've heard NDSU thinks its too good for CUSA and most of the G5's and want a B12 invite or a MWC invite if they have to slum it.

I think NDSU would go to the MW once Boise State leaves

I don't think the Mountain West would do the straight-from-FCS expansion thing like Conference USA and the Suck Belch have done.

(11-19-2021 02:19 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:56 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:12 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:27 AM)SammyH Wrote:  For one, Kennesaw State is only “good” because they play in one of the weaker conferences at the FCS level. The Big South is bleeding a slow death and will probably die when Monmouth bolts for the CAA. Kennesaw State has maybe been a top 10 team twice in their existence with a few fluke runs the the quarterfinals. Beyond that, they’re no different than your average SoCon team.

Most of Kennesaw’s revenue is student fees and they can’t draw a crowd to save their damn lives. Y’all though Sam was bad? Get this, Kennesaw State broke their home attendance record this year with a whopping 9500 fans. That was their RECORD. At the end of the day, it makes no sense to invite Kennesaw State. They’re a decent program that needs more money but doesn’t have much of a fanbase and is in an already saturated market. They’d be a bad add, but so was SHSU so we’ll see. Missouri State, Chattanooga, Lamar, SFA, EKU would all be better adds.

Yes, jones682, I’ve heard of Kennesaw State when we sent your ass packing from the playoffs a few years back. A playoff run we never hear then end of from your fans. Nobody makes getting to the quarterfinals sound like winning in Frisco like KSU fans do.

Kennesaw state has won playoff games and has beaten Missouri State before and is 3-0 against JSU plus KSU total athletic is 10M more then SHSU. KSU has a LARGER BUDGET THEN YOU. You want EKU to join but just read the following on EKU finances:

I did some more research around EKU and Kennesaw State athletic finances. You all mention that EKU is ready but KSU is not regarding moving up. You have to look at both of theses schools athletic finances over a period of time to make a conclusion. Looking at historical data over a period of time helps you understand theses schools from a financial standpoint. I sampled 2015-2020 data regarding allocations of revenue from students fees/government support and total revenue. (percentage wise)

EKU
Athletic budget
2015: 14.57
2016: 17.41M
2017: 17.02M
2018: 17.33M
2019: 16.48M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 74% or 10.74M
2016: 74% or 12.78M
2017: 77% or 13.11M
2018: 81% or 14.9M
2019: 81% or 13.33M

Kennesaw State

Athletic budget
2015: 20.14M
2016: 22.8M
2017: 24.19M
2018: 25.87M
2019: 27.58M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 84% or 17.36M
2016: 80% or 19.41
2017: 77% or 19.45M
2018: 78% or 20.22M
2019: 74% or 21.9M

Again 2020 is not a good year to pull data because of COVD 19 and every school was affect by COVID 19 financially. You have to look at the historical data over the past 5 to 10 years to evaluate a schools financial standing.

Both Kennesaw State and EKU revenue from Student fees and government support are similar (70-84%) over the past 5 years, however Kennesaw State has a higher overall budget with a larger student-body. In other words, If KSU is not ready EKU is not ready. In reality both these schools can make the jump, but it is up to the school at the end of the day.


Source http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-0

Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

Have you seen FAU and FIU arena also JSU arena? KSU arena is not that bad. KSU I just posted the numbers of the athletic revenue comes from the students above.

FAU's is meh but they are leaving. FIU's is meh and are staying but I hope they improve things in their entire program. JSU's stadium is in a pretty good starting spot to expand and make nicer for FBS. SHSU's is meh but they are invited and know what they got themselves into so we will see what happens.

(11-19-2021 02:34 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 02:19 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:56 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:12 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:27 AM)SammyH Wrote:  For one, Kennesaw State is only “good” because they play in one of the weaker conferences at the FCS level. The Big South is bleeding a slow death and will probably die when Monmouth bolts for the CAA. Kennesaw State has maybe been a top 10 team twice in their existence with a few fluke runs the the quarterfinals. Beyond that, they’re no different than your average SoCon team.

Most of Kennesaw’s revenue is student fees and they can’t draw a crowd to save their damn lives. Y’all though Sam was bad? Get this, Kennesaw State broke their home attendance record this year with a whopping 9500 fans. That was their RECORD. At the end of the day, it makes no sense to invite Kennesaw State. They’re a decent program that needs more money but doesn’t have much of a fanbase and is in an already saturated market. They’d be a bad add, but so was SHSU so we’ll see. Missouri State, Chattanooga, Lamar, SFA, EKU would all be better adds.

Yes, jones682, I’ve heard of Kennesaw State when we sent your ass packing from the playoffs a few years back. A playoff run we never hear then end of from your fans. Nobody makes getting to the quarterfinals sound like winning in Frisco like KSU fans do.

Kennesaw state has won playoff games and has beaten Missouri State before and is 3-0 against JSU plus KSU total athletic is 10M more then SHSU. KSU has a LARGER BUDGET THEN YOU. You want EKU to join but just read the following on EKU finances:

I did some more research around EKU and Kennesaw State athletic finances. You all mention that EKU is ready but KSU is not regarding moving up. You have to look at both of theses schools athletic finances over a period of time to make a conclusion. Looking at historical data over a period of time helps you understand theses schools from a financial standpoint. I sampled 2015-2020 data regarding allocations of revenue from students fees/government support and total revenue. (percentage wise)

EKU
Athletic budget
2015: 14.57
2016: 17.41M
2017: 17.02M
2018: 17.33M
2019: 16.48M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 74% or 10.74M
2016: 74% or 12.78M
2017: 77% or 13.11M
2018: 81% or 14.9M
2019: 81% or 13.33M

Kennesaw State

Athletic budget
2015: 20.14M
2016: 22.8M
2017: 24.19M
2018: 25.87M
2019: 27.58M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 84% or 17.36M
2016: 80% or 19.41
2017: 77% or 19.45M
2018: 78% or 20.22M
2019: 74% or 21.9M

Again 2020 is not a good year to pull data because of COVD 19 and every school was affect by COVID 19 financially. You have to look at the historical data over the past 5 to 10 years to evaluate a schools financial standing.

Both Kennesaw State and EKU revenue from Student fees and government support are similar (70-84%) over the past 5 years, however Kennesaw State has a higher overall budget with a larger student-body. In other words, If KSU is not ready EKU is not ready. In reality both these schools can make the jump, but it is up to the school at the end of the day.


Source http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-0

Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

Have you seen FAU and FIU arena also JSU arena? KSU arena is not that bad. KSU I just posted the numbers of the athletic revenue comes from the students above.

FAU's is meh but they are leaving. FIU's is meh and are staying but I hope they improve things in their entire program. JSU's stadium is in a pretty good starting spot to expand and make nicer for FBS. SHSU's is meh but they are invited and know what they got themselves into so we will see what happens.

I’m not so sure about that… CUSA failed it’s current members by inviting SHSU and SHSU failed it’s student and alumni base by accepting. I’m still holding out hope that this somehow falls through! Sounds like KSU is a more compelling option. After all THEY DO HAVE A LARGE ATHLETIC BUDGET.

(11-19-2021 01:56 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:12 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:27 AM)SammyH Wrote:  For one, Kennesaw State is only “good” because they play in one of the weaker conferences at the FCS level. The Big South is bleeding a slow death and will probably die when Monmouth bolts for the CAA. Kennesaw State has maybe been a top 10 team twice in their existence with a few fluke runs the the quarterfinals. Beyond that, they’re no different than your average SoCon team.

Most of Kennesaw’s revenue is student fees and they can’t draw a crowd to save their damn lives. Y’all though Sam was bad? Get this, Kennesaw State broke their home attendance record this year with a whopping 9500 fans. That was their RECORD. At the end of the day, it makes no sense to invite Kennesaw State. They’re a decent program that needs more money but doesn’t have much of a fanbase and is in an already saturated market. They’d be a bad add, but so was SHSU so we’ll see. Missouri State, Chattanooga, Lamar, SFA, EKU would all be better adds.

Yes, jones682, I’ve heard of Kennesaw State when we sent your ass packing from the playoffs a few years back. A playoff run we never hear then end of from your fans. Nobody makes getting to the quarterfinals sound like winning in Frisco like KSU fans do.

Kennesaw state has won playoff games and has beaten Missouri State before and is 3-0 against JSU plus KSU total athletic is 10M more then SHSU. KSU has a LARGER BUDGET THEN YOU. You want EKU to join but just read the following on EKU finances:

I did some more research around EKU and Kennesaw State athletic finances. You all mention that EKU is ready but KSU is not regarding moving up. You have to look at both of theses schools athletic finances over a period of time to make a conclusion. Looking at historical data over a period of time helps you understand theses schools from a financial standpoint. I sampled 2015-2020 data regarding allocations of revenue from students fees/government support and total revenue. (percentage wise)

EKU
Athletic budget
2015: 14.57
2016: 17.41M
2017: 17.02M
2018: 17.33M
2019: 16.48M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 74% or 10.74M
2016: 74% or 12.78M
2017: 77% or 13.11M
2018: 81% or 14.9M
2019: 81% or 13.33M

Kennesaw State

Athletic budget
2015: 20.14M
2016: 22.8M
2017: 24.19M
2018: 25.87M
2019: 27.58M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 84% or 17.36M
2016: 80% or 19.41
2017: 77% or 19.45M
2018: 78% or 20.22M
2019: 74% or 21.9M

Again 2020 is not a good year to pull data because of COVD 19 and every school was affect by COVID 19 financially. You have to look at the historical data over the past 5 to 10 years to evaluate a schools financial standing.

Both Kennesaw State and EKU revenue from Student fees and government support are similar (70-84%) over the past 5 years, however Kennesaw State has a higher overall budget with a larger student-body. In other words, If KSU is not ready EKU is not ready. In reality both these schools can make the jump, but it is up to the school at the end of the day.


Source http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-0

Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

Getting a little carried away there. NMSU has excellent basketball attendance and has drawn good crowds in football. 2017 was their last bowl and they, like most of us, draw much better when good.

(11-19-2021 03:22 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:56 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:12 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:27 AM)SammyH Wrote:  For one, Kennesaw State is only “good” because they play in one of the weaker conferences at the FCS level. The Big South is bleeding a slow death and will probably die when Monmouth bolts for the CAA. Kennesaw State has maybe been a top 10 team twice in their existence with a few fluke runs the the quarterfinals. Beyond that, they’re no different than your average SoCon team.

Most of Kennesaw’s revenue is student fees and they can’t draw a crowd to save their damn lives. Y’all though Sam was bad? Get this, Kennesaw State broke their home attendance record this year with a whopping 9500 fans. That was their RECORD. At the end of the day, it makes no sense to invite Kennesaw State. They’re a decent program that needs more money but doesn’t have much of a fanbase and is in an already saturated market. They’d be a bad add, but so was SHSU so we’ll see. Missouri State, Chattanooga, Lamar, SFA, EKU would all be better adds.

Yes, jones682, I’ve heard of Kennesaw State when we sent your ass packing from the playoffs a few years back. A playoff run we never hear then end of from your fans. Nobody makes getting to the quarterfinals sound like winning in Frisco like KSU fans do.

Kennesaw state has won playoff games and has beaten Missouri State before and is 3-0 against JSU plus KSU total athletic is 10M more then SHSU. KSU has a LARGER BUDGET THEN YOU. You want EKU to join but just read the following on EKU finances:

I did some more research around EKU and Kennesaw State athletic finances. You all mention that EKU is ready but KSU is not regarding moving up. You have to look at both of theses schools athletic finances over a period of time to make a conclusion. Looking at historical data over a period of time helps you understand theses schools from a financial standpoint. I sampled 2015-2020 data regarding allocations of revenue from students fees/government support and total revenue. (percentage wise)

EKU
Athletic budget
2015: 14.57
2016: 17.41M
2017: 17.02M
2018: 17.33M
2019: 16.48M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 74% or 10.74M
2016: 74% or 12.78M
2017: 77% or 13.11M
2018: 81% or 14.9M
2019: 81% or 13.33M

Kennesaw State

Athletic budget
2015: 20.14M
2016: 22.8M
2017: 24.19M
2018: 25.87M
2019: 27.58M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 84% or 17.36M
2016: 80% or 19.41
2017: 77% or 19.45M
2018: 78% or 20.22M
2019: 74% or 21.9M

Again 2020 is not a good year to pull data because of COVD 19 and every school was affect by COVID 19 financially. You have to look at the historical data over the past 5 to 10 years to evaluate a schools financial standing.

Both Kennesaw State and EKU revenue from Student fees and government support are similar (70-84%) over the past 5 years, however Kennesaw State has a higher overall budget with a larger student-body. In other words, If KSU is not ready EKU is not ready. In reality both these schools can make the jump, but it is up to the school at the end of the day.


Source http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-0

Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

Getting a little carried away there. NMSU has excellent basketball attendance and has drawn good crowds in football. 2017 was their last bowl and they, like most of us, draw much better when good.

They’re an FBS program and they drew 7,000 and 11,000 for a couple of games this year. Sorry, much like others in CUSA, they have no fans.

(11-19-2021 03:30 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 03:22 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:56 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:12 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:27 AM)SammyH Wrote:  For one, Kennesaw State is only “good” because they play in one of the weaker conferences at the FCS level. The Big South is bleeding a slow death and will probably die when Monmouth bolts for the CAA. Kennesaw State has maybe been a top 10 team twice in their existence with a few fluke runs the the quarterfinals. Beyond that, they’re no different than your average SoCon team.

Most of Kennesaw’s revenue is student fees and they can’t draw a crowd to save their damn lives. Y’all though Sam was bad? Get this, Kennesaw State broke their home attendance record this year with a whopping 9500 fans. That was their RECORD. At the end of the day, it makes no sense to invite Kennesaw State. They’re a decent program that needs more money but doesn’t have much of a fanbase and is in an already saturated market. They’d be a bad add, but so was SHSU so we’ll see. Missouri State, Chattanooga, Lamar, SFA, EKU would all be better adds.

Yes, jones682, I’ve heard of Kennesaw State when we sent your ass packing from the playoffs a few years back. A playoff run we never hear then end of from your fans. Nobody makes getting to the quarterfinals sound like winning in Frisco like KSU fans do.

Kennesaw state has won playoff games and has beaten Missouri State before and is 3-0 against JSU plus KSU total athletic is 10M more then SHSU. KSU has a LARGER BUDGET THEN YOU. You want EKU to join but just read the following on EKU finances:

I did some more research around EKU and Kennesaw State athletic finances. You all mention that EKU is ready but KSU is not regarding moving up. You have to look at both of theses schools athletic finances over a period of time to make a conclusion. Looking at historical data over a period of time helps you understand theses schools from a financial standpoint. I sampled 2015-2020 data regarding allocations of revenue from students fees/government support and total revenue. (percentage wise)

EKU
Athletic budget
2015: 14.57
2016: 17.41M
2017: 17.02M
2018: 17.33M
2019: 16.48M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 74% or 10.74M
2016: 74% or 12.78M
2017: 77% or 13.11M
2018: 81% or 14.9M
2019: 81% or 13.33M

Kennesaw State

Athletic budget
2015: 20.14M
2016: 22.8M
2017: 24.19M
2018: 25.87M
2019: 27.58M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 84% or 17.36M
2016: 80% or 19.41
2017: 77% or 19.45M
2018: 78% or 20.22M
2019: 74% or 21.9M

Again 2020 is not a good year to pull data because of COVD 19 and every school was affect by COVID 19 financially. You have to look at the historical data over the past 5 to 10 years to evaluate a schools financial standing.

Both Kennesaw State and EKU revenue from Student fees and government support are similar (70-84%) over the past 5 years, however Kennesaw State has a higher overall budget with a larger student-body. In other words, If KSU is not ready EKU is not ready. In reality both these schools can make the jump, but it is up to the school at the end of the day.


Source http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-0

Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

Getting a little carried away there. NMSU has excellent basketball attendance and has drawn good crowds in football. 2017 was their last bowl and they, like most of us, draw much better when good.

They’re an FBS program and they drew 7,000 and 11,000 for a couple of games this year. Sorry, much like others in CUSA, they have no fans.

You missed the part where MinerInWisconsin said "draw much better when good."

I think most New Mexico State fans would be the first to tell that they are not very good THIS year. When they are winning regularly, it's a different story.

(11-19-2021 05:18 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 03:30 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 03:22 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:56 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:12 PM)jones682 Wrote:  Kennesaw state has won playoff games and has beaten Missouri State before and is 3-0 against JSU plus KSU total athletic is 10M more then SHSU. KSU has a LARGER BUDGET THEN YOU. You want EKU to join but just read the following on EKU finances:

I did some more research around EKU and Kennesaw State athletic finances. You all mention that EKU is ready but KSU is not regarding moving up. You have to look at both of theses schools athletic finances over a period of time to make a conclusion. Looking at historical data over a period of time helps you understand theses schools from a financial standpoint. I sampled 2015-2020 data regarding allocations of revenue from students fees/government support and total revenue. (percentage wise)

EKU
Athletic budget
2015: 14.57
2016: 17.41M
2017: 17.02M
2018: 17.33M
2019: 16.48M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 74% or 10.74M
2016: 74% or 12.78M
2017: 77% or 13.11M
2018: 81% or 14.9M
2019: 81% or 13.33M

Kennesaw State

Athletic budget
2015: 20.14M
2016: 22.8M
2017: 24.19M
2018: 25.87M
2019: 27.58M

Revenue from students Fees/Government Support (Percentage)
2015: 84% or 17.36M
2016: 80% or 19.41
2017: 77% or 19.45M
2018: 78% or 20.22M
2019: 74% or 21.9M

Again 2020 is not a good year to pull data because of COVD 19 and every school was affect by COVID 19 financially. You have to look at the historical data over the past 5 to 10 years to evaluate a schools financial standing.

Both Kennesaw State and EKU revenue from Student fees and government support are similar (70-84%) over the past 5 years, however Kennesaw State has a higher overall budget with a larger student-body. In other words, If KSU is not ready EKU is not ready. In reality both these schools can make the jump, but it is up to the school at the end of the day.


Source http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-0

Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

Getting a little carried away there. NMSU has excellent basketball attendance and has drawn good crowds in football. 2017 was their last bowl and they, like most of us, draw much better when good.

They’re an FBS program and they drew 7,000 and 11,000 for a couple of games this year. Sorry, much like others in CUSA, they have no fans.

You missed the part where MinerInWisconsin said "draw much better when good."

I think most New Mexico State fans would be the first to tell that they are not very good THIS year. When they are winning regularly, it's a different story.

NMSU is never good so this doesn't apply. Did you hear what Doug Martin said? He said the school doesn't care about athletics and that the locker rooms have no A/C. Gosh, the heat in TX is bad, I wonder what it's like in Mexico!

(11-19-2021 05:33 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 05:18 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 03:30 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 03:22 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:56 PM)SammyH Wrote:  Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

Getting a little carried away there. NMSU has excellent basketball attendance and has drawn good crowds in football. 2017 was their last bowl and they, like most of us, draw much better when good.

They’re an FBS program and they drew 7,000 and 11,000 for a couple of games this year. Sorry, much like others in CUSA, they have no fans.

You missed the part where MinerInWisconsin said "draw much better when good."

I think most New Mexico State fans would be the first to tell that they are not very good THIS year. When they are winning regularly, it's a different story.

NMSU is never good so this doesn't apply. Did you hear what Doug Martin said? He said the school doesn't care about athletics and that the locker rooms have no A/C. Gosh, the heat in TX is bad, I wonder what it's like in Mexico!

Mexico?

(11-19-2021 05:33 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 05:18 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 03:30 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 03:22 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:56 PM)SammyH Wrote:  Comparing your athletic budget to SHSU’s should be a nonstarter, ours is pathetic and we have half the students of KSU. CUSA made a mistake inviting us and we made an even bigger one accepting. Inviting KSU would be just as big a mistake, especially as the tenth school. 90% of your athletic revenue comes from the students that probably don’t even know KSU has a football team. You play in a soccer stadium. You’ve had little athletic success to speak of, and… well, I just looked up you convocation “center” and yeah I think I see why everyone believes CUSA better look elsewhere. Just doesn’t make any sense to add a school that has no fans. CUSA already has too many of those, especially with the additions of SHSU and NMSU.

Getting a little carried away there. NMSU has excellent basketball attendance and has drawn good crowds in football. 2017 was their last bowl and they, like most of us, draw much better when good.

They’re an FBS program and they drew 7,000 and 11,000 for a couple of games this year. Sorry, much like others in CUSA, they have no fans.

You missed the part where MinerInWisconsin said "draw much better when good."

I think most New Mexico State fans would be the first to tell that they are not very good THIS year. When they are winning regularly, it's a different story.

NMSU is never good so this doesn't apply. Did you hear what Doug Martin said? He said the school doesn't care about athletics and that the locker rooms have no A/C. Gosh, the heat in TX is bad, I wonder what it's like in Mexico!

They've had good years.

(11-19-2021 02:21 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:53 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:22 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:18 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:12 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Maybe NDSU should contact CUSA.

I'm pretty sure they were one of the 30 who did.

Did they? From what I've heard NDSU thinks its too good for CUSA and most of the G5's and want a B12 invite or a MWC invite if they have to slum it.

I think NDSU would go to the MW once Boise State leaves

I don't think the Mountain West would do the straight-from-FCS expansion thing like Conference USA and the Suck Belch have done.

I feel like only other option is UTEP and NMSU. NDSU would get you into the central time zone and some of the Minnesota market.

(11-19-2021 08:47 PM)Tigerblud Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 02:21 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:53 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:22 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:18 PM)All4One Wrote:  I'm pretty sure they were one of the 30 who did.

Did they? From what I've heard NDSU thinks its too good for CUSA and most of the G5's and want a B12 invite or a MWC invite if they have to slum it.

I think NDSU would go to the MW once Boise State leaves

I don't think the Mountain West would do the straight-from-FCS expansion thing like Conference USA and the Suck Belch have done.

I feel like only other option is UTEP and NMSU. NDSU would get you into the central time zone and some of the Minnesota market.

Oh, I'm certain if the Mountain West wanted, they could grab AAC schools if that league loses more members.

(11-19-2021 09:44 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 08:47 PM)Tigerblud Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 02:21 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:53 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:22 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Did they? From what I've heard NDSU thinks its too good for CUSA and most of the G5's and want a B12 invite or a MWC invite if they have to slum it.

I think NDSU would go to the MW once Boise State leaves

I don't think the Mountain West would do the straight-from-FCS expansion thing like Conference USA and the Suck Belch have done.

I feel like only other option is UTEP and NMSU. NDSU would get you into the central time zone and some of the Minnesota market.

Oh, I'm certain if the Mountain West wanted, they could grab AAC schools if that league loses more members.

True. Maybe they could get their Texas teams.

(11-19-2021 09:44 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 08:47 PM)Tigerblud Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 02:21 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 01:53 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 12:22 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Did they? From what I've heard NDSU thinks its too good for CUSA and most of the G5's and want a B12 invite or a MWC invite if they have to slum it.

I think NDSU would go to the MW once Boise State leaves

I don't think the Mountain West would do the straight-from-FCS expansion thing like Conference USA and the Suck Belch have done.

I feel like only other option is UTEP and NMSU. NDSU would get you into the central time zone and some of the Minnesota market.

Oh, I'm certain if the Mountain West wanted, they could grab AAC schools if that league loses more members.

The MWC had the perfect opportunity to get the 3 Texas schools in big markets this time around but didn't. They most likely wanted a name brand like SMU to pair with one of them. Didn't happen and doubt it will in the future.

How about Florida A@M? HBCU that has excellent academics, good size, location, large facilities, and success in football. They may not be interested but are worth a hard look.

Do not dismiss them so quickly. They have a lot of positives.