Credit to the ODU fans and others who aren't too petty and immature to admit that two wrongs don't make a right, and to the JMU fans that are able to admit that Rose was wrong to support this by-law in the past and that we were wrong for not opposing it as fans. Tons of credit to athletes from other CAA schools signing the petition to let JMU play, those kids are being better than most of us between JMU, ODU, and others have been in the past.

But of course this is the internet so there are some JMU fans trying to make this time out to be different enough that it's the only time that isn't right and there are other fans fine with it because JMU didn't oppose it in the past. It is what it is, will be so nice to leave the CAA behind and hopefully the CAA leaves this by-law behind once we're gone. Will also be nice to be back to JMU and ODU taking out our hatred for each other on the field/court/etc.

Oh sure, I'm not saying the athletes are hypocritical.

But I am saying JMU getting off would be letting an abuser walk free, and you should be ashamed to even be discussing it. Have some honor and dignity as an institution and fan base

According to reports, Sun Belt play starts next year. These are the only championships you'll be missing. If anything, being allowed to continue the ones you're already participating in is thwarting the system. The rest of us were slapped with a full year, so youre already getting a light sentence

(11-08-2021 02:20 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  Oh sure, I'm not saying the athletes are hypocritical.

But I am saying JMU getting off would be letting an abuser walk free, and you should be ashamed to even be discussing it. Have some honor and dignity as an institution and fan base

According to reports, Sun Belt play starts next year. These are the only championships you'll be missing. If anything, being allowed to continue the ones you're already participating in is thwarting the system. The rest of us were slapped with a full year, so youre already getting a light sentence

The vote to enforce the by-law on ODU was unanimous and I'd imagine votes before that were as well, the vote to enforce it on JMU wasn't unanimous but it was obviously the majority. Changing it at any point is going to mean "letting an abuser walk free" once anyone else leaves the CAA, but it's a ****** by-law and enforcing it is never a good thing.

I don't expect them to go back and overturn it for JMU, but if you think that wouldn't be the right thing to do then there's just no way we're going to agree there. I do hope and kind of expect that they'll get rid of this by-law after enforcing it on JMU though, which is the next best option. The fact it'll let others "walk free" after they've enforced this themselves doesn't change that it's the right thing to do.

Show me a post from any of these JMU posters that took this stance in 2013 and you can take the high ground.

While we can agree the rule is stupid, Fighting against it today seems convenient and self-serving if you’ve been around 10 years.

(11-08-2021 03:44 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Show me a post from any of these JMU posters that took this stance in 2013 and you can take the high ground.

While we can agree the rule is stupid, Fighting against it today seems convenient and self-serving if you’ve been around 10 years.

Show me a post where any of us claimed to have taken this stance in 2013. I specifically pointed out that we were wrong for not doing so and credited current CAA athletes for being better today than we were then.

That is great to come forth now, the move was and continues to be petty and stupid we can all agree.

Hopefully we can also agree Silence in 2013 and acknowledging it was wrong in the past when it impacts you in 2021 is somewhat hollow.

(11-07-2021 10:15 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  My oldest and I traveled to the season-ending ODU/JMU game in Harrisonburg that year. Great crowd, two really awesome teams, and one hell of a second-half performance by Heinicke (with Mayers and Pinkard) and the defensive line against a very mobile and dangerous JMU QB.

Not going to get wrapped up in the politics of that day, but JMU is reaping a bit of what they sowed with the CAA championship exclusion. However, as I thought it wrong for ODU's athletes to be punished for that transition, I similarly feel it wrong for JMU's athletes to be similarly punished. Principles mean nothing if you chose not to follow them when most inconvenient. Excluding ODU years back was wrong and excluding JMU now is similarly wrong, even if one could easily take some pleasure in the karma of the situation. I'd rather the JMU kids get to compete as they expected when this season began.

This

Another reason the Sun Belt should have taken Liberty and not JMU. JMU did this to others and now they don't like it when shoe is on other foot.

(11-08-2021 04:42 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Another reason the Sun Belt should have taken Liberty and not JMU. JMU did this to others and now they don't like it when shoe is on other foot.

Fans are fans. The institution hasn't said much in regards to the by-laws. The athletes are the one's who are petitioning the CAA. Do they not have a right to petition what they feel is an unjust bylaw against them? Remember, they were not part of JMU or the CAA years ago. Fans will always side with their team. The same would happen if it were your team.

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(11-08-2021 04:42 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Another reason the Sun Belt should have taken Liberty and not JMU. JMU did this to others and now they don't like it when shoe is on other foot.

(11-08-2021 04:42 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Another reason the Sun Belt should have taken Liberty and not JMU. JMU did this to others and now they don't like it when shoe is on other foot.

(11-08-2021 04:42 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Another reason the Sun Belt should have taken Liberty and not JMU. JMU did this to others and now they don't like it when shoe is on other foot.

A nice interview with the JMU AD on sports radio in Richmond this evening. When I get home, I will try to find it and post it. Nothing earth shattering to readers of this board, but insightful to casual fans:

-complemented Gill and the Sun Belt ADs/schools,
-excited to renew rivalries with ODU, Ga St, and App, and building rivalries with the rest of the east (mentioned Marshall specifically)
-compliemented Coastal and Louisiana's recent success
-JMU wanted to be with like-minded institutions in a compact regional alignment
-regional east division is very attractive, and west schools are intriguing as well
-next years football schedule will be tricky much like ODU's FCS transition year (and for the same reason, the CAA rules), and it didn't sound like they had any idea how it was going to unfold at this point with so many schools scheduling so far in advance (may have odd arrangements like playing H&H with FCS and FBS indies)
-JMU has been building up sports infrastructure (health & nutrition, facilities, academic support, etc) for a while to be ready when the right move presented itself and is already at G5 level for everything but fb scholarships and coaches salaries, they weren't ready last go around
-expects men's soccer in the Belt to be a good move,
-excited for softball and baseball league
-still exploring options for swimming, field hockey and womens lacrosse.
-And then a long and somber talk about the CAA bylaw and this weekend's stand by the student athletes - Mia culpa on JMU supporting it in the past - but doesn't think it will affect on field attitudes by CAA players/coaches - the bad blood is in the AD offices
-assumes they are full non-football members of the Belt next year
-Keith Gill will be a guest on Thursday's show - the host is the Richmond Spiders play by play guy and the two guys go way back from Gill's time at UR

I am embarrassed by the JMU administration’s stance. It lacks integrity.
They knew the rule. They participated in enforcing the rule multiple times in the past 20 years. Now when the rule applies to them, they want to cry foul. Very disingenuous and self-serving.

We should take our medicine quietly and accept the bed we have made. It is a small price to pay for finally moving up to FBS football after 8 years of offers turned down. If JMU was strategic, they could have announced a move at the end of a Fall or Spring sports season to not impact any current sports in season. That opportunity was available in any of the last 8 years. Instead they waited until everything looked perfect, but was on someone else’s timeline.

Really, JMU student athletes should be mad at their own administration for announcing a move mid-season.

(11-08-2021 11:00 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I am embarrassed by the JMU administration’s stance. It lacks integrity.
They knew the rule. They participated in enforcing the rule multiple times in the past 20 years. Now when the rule applies to them, they want to cry foul. Very disingenuous and self-serving.

We should take our medicine quietly and accept the bed we have made. It is a small price to pay for finally moving up to FBS football after 8 years of offers turned down. If JMU was strategic, they could have announced a move at the end of a Fall or Spring sports season to not impact any current sports in season. That opportunity was available in any of the last 8 years. Instead they waited until everything looked perfect, but was on someone else’s timeline.

Really, JMU student athletes should be mad at their own administration for announcing a move mid-season.

Oh man, this guy again.
1) If your athletes are opposed to a ridiculous conference bylaw that no other legit conference has on its books, then let them protest. It only makes the other AD’s in the CAA look petty for not granting a waiver or removing the rule altogether.
2) I know some of you FCS guys are in your own world, but conference realignment does not wait for JMU. You announce when your new conference wants you to announce and you don’t wait, it just doesn’t happen.
3) JMU was not just sitting there biding it’s time to all of sudden move to FBS; you weren’t going to pull a Liberty. You were waiting on a FBS conference to invite you and no one did since you spurned the SBC the last time around. FCS call ups will always move up on someone else’s timeline. Know your place in this whole process.

(11-08-2021 04:42 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Another reason the Sun Belt should have taken Liberty and not JMU. JMU did this to others and now they don't like it when shoe is on other foot.

Are We talkin UNC ?

Oh JMU, got it, same vein.

pull yer big boy pants up Dukes your entitlements are showing,

Thanks for the history and insights to ODU-JMU relationship. Also the subtle egging on by the Herd. Gonna have to buy lots of popcorn for the show upcoming. You guys are going to be entertaining. Welcome aboard