(11-10-2021 09:28 PM)jmu18 Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 09:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 09:21 PM)jmu18 Wrote:  Any chance that since JMU will count as FBS next season that Sun Belt may work us into the schedule? I’d probably guess no, but it’s a thought

Most everyone has a complete OOC schedule next season, and would have to get rid of a game to play you guys.

I think a lot of what happens next is going to come down to how the Sun Belt chooses to handle your situation. Most of that is in the hands of lawyers at present.

Wonder if it is at all possible to have us in the conference schedule so no OOC games are taken away. Again as you said lawyers and logistics will probably say no?? Assuming we can’t play a sun belt slate, our AD better be working hard to get games

I think that is probably the hold up if I could hazard a guess. If you are going to be considered "reclassifying FBS" for two years and count as an FBS opponent, there's logic to the fact we could bring you straight in and play league games, even if we couldn't declare you conference champion the first year.

(11-10-2021 09:17 PM)ThunderDent Wrote:  Would we not have to forfeit the $1.5M and then still owe $1.5M cash for 22-23 FY?
It’s still $3M total correct?

Or is Judy dumb enough to work it to say it’s $1.5M/year we are here?? Leave early with no penalty. Haha

If we are forfeiting revenue instead of paying in a penalty, how would the three of us leaving for the SBC early really work? Seems to me that CUSA could just keep the revenue whether we are there or not thru June 2022 or 2023. The SBC three could all just “pay in” by not receiving the amount we are supposed to receive, which is zero. The AAC six would receive nothing either but still provide for a viable conference schedule. The remaining five could just keep the undoubtably abundant media revenues from the new media deal with whatever obscure streaming platforms Judy wrangles on behalf of CUSA all for themselves.

I hope Marshall, S Miss and ODU are SBC bound for next season.

The exit fees are offset sonewhat by the 2 mil Belt entry fee being waved. The Belt will welcome all 4 next year if that can be worked out

(11-10-2021 08:36 PM)gdunn Wrote:  USM leaves that would upset a bunch of CUSA fans banking on that 3 mil

They’re keeping all of that regardless of whether we enter in 2022 or 2023, correct? So what difference does our exit date matter?

(11-10-2021 09:19 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 08:36 PM)gdunn Wrote:  USM leaves that would upset a bunch of CUSA fans banking on that 3 mil

. . . and this is troubling for you because . . . ??

Oh it’s not. I’ll just loff and loff with my new friends in Da Belt

I'm fairly confident the CUSA teams will be in the Belt in 2022. All three have that goal, so there's a lot of willpower and flexibility there. But I wouldn't be surprised if our organizations took the foot off the gas a little now, after the hectic weeks of realignment. The most important part is done, and the move-in is less time sensitive. Might be a month before we know for sure

(11-10-2021 10:36 PM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 08:36 PM)gdunn Wrote:  USM leaves that would upset a bunch of CUSA fans banking on that 3 mil

They’re keeping all of that regardless of whether we enter in 2022 or 2023, correct? So what difference does our exit date matter?

Way I’m understanding is it’s cheaper to come early for us.

(11-10-2021 09:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 09:28 PM)jmu18 Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 09:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 09:21 PM)jmu18 Wrote:  Any chance that since JMU will count as FBS next season that Sun Belt may work us into the schedule? I’d probably guess no, but it’s a thought

Most everyone has a complete OOC schedule next season, and would have to get rid of a game to play you guys.

I think a lot of what happens next is going to come down to how the Sun Belt chooses to handle your situation. Most of that is in the hands of lawyers at present.

Wonder if it is at all possible to have us in the conference schedule so no OOC games are taken away. Again as you said lawyers and logistics will probably say no?? Assuming we can’t play a sun belt slate, our AD better be working hard to get games

I think that is probably the hold up if I could hazard a guess. If you are going to be considered "reclassifying FBS" for two years and count as an FBS opponent, there's logic to the fact we could bring you straight in and play league games, even if we couldn't declare you conference champion the first year.

Assuming 22 happens for the first 3, that App /Marshall game wont be needed OOC... JMU will happily take that date with one of you

If we came in ‘22, we’d be able to get SBC media $ though. Assuming ESPN’s new deal kicks in for 2022. That would be the true barrier there I’d say. Certainly they’d want the content sooner rather than later I’d think.

So if that’s the case why wouldn’t you go early. It’s more lucrative to do so.

As an aside, during the Marshall press conference announcement, our President said things are negotiable, and when asked directly about soccer, Gill said he was filing the paperwork with the NCAA soon to ensure it was ready if they needed it for 2022 league play accredited with NCAA.

So hopefully it happens. It can’t be soon enough.

I want to beat UAB, and Charlotte on the way out. And I want to meet UTSA in the title game and show them they aren’t there yet before we go.

(11-10-2021 07:17 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 06:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 05:52 PM)SlickRick12 Wrote:  Well, eventhough JMU will be not fully FBS status, couldn't they join early and be the extra team in the east to even out the number of teams in both divisions?

They could but they’ll be considered FCS and would therefore most schools if not all would end up with 2 FCS schools on their schedule next year.

I believe the NCAA provided a waiver for the WAC with UTSA & Texas States transition but CUSA would be more likely to get a waiver than the Sun Belt if teams start leaving early.

For all other sports no problem and we could do uneven divisions for a year in football. Not ideal but fine and only a year.

Edit...we will be a reclassifying team for 22 and 23 - all games against JMU will be FBS wins or losses

You got a waiver?
Otherwise, you will be considered an FCS independent for 2022 and all games vs JMU will count as an FCS game.

^ I dont know if we applied for a waiver or not, but it's been confirmed by Shane Mettlin (local paper guy that doesn't post rumors). All games count as FBS ...schedulers must be busy - 2022 I'd expect we have 3-5 FBS and 5-8 FCS games

(11-11-2021 12:04 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  ^ I dont know if we applied for a waiver or not, but it's been confirmed by Shane Mettlin (local paper guy that doesn't post rumors). All games count as FBS ...schedulers must be busy - 2022 I'd expect we have 3-5 FBS and 5-8 FCS games

Cool.

Normally (save for UTSA and Texas State because of WAC classification), you would have a 2 year transitional period.
Year 1 FCS independent (2022) all w/l count as FCS
Year 2 FBS independent. Not eligible for bowls or conference championships but a full FBS schedule and w/l count as FBS to your opponents. (2023)
Year 3 full FBS classification. (2024).

Since at least part of the transition period is normally necessary to bring your roster and scholarships up to FBS levels, it may be that because of Covid allowances, you already have that?

That could make sense...or its to help is schedule more FBS. While we are at 80 or so scholarships due to Covid rules. .. no delusion here that FCS is the same caliber of player usually..will take flawless coaching (TOs really arent that complex...) and extra effort to go .500

Hope to play you soon!

Cheers - having an awful hard seltzer

(11-10-2021 10:36 PM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 08:36 PM)gdunn Wrote:  USM leaves that would upset a bunch of CUSA fans banking on that 3 mil

They’re keeping all of that regardless of whether we enter in 2022 or 2023, correct? So what difference does our exit date matter?

CUSA revenue sharing for each school is expected to be around 1.5 million per year. If we leave early and enter the Sunbelt on July 1st of 2022, we only lose that one year of CUSA revenue which means our exit fee in the end would essentially be 1.5 Million. And keep in mind that the Sunbelt graciously waived the entrance fee for all four schools coming on board.

(11-11-2021 12:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 07:17 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 06:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 05:52 PM)SlickRick12 Wrote:  Well, eventhough JMU will be not fully FBS status, couldn't they join early and be the extra team in the east to even out the number of teams in both divisions?

They could but they’ll be considered FCS and would therefore most schools if not all would end up with 2 FCS schools on their schedule next year.

I believe the NCAA provided a waiver for the WAC with UTSA & Texas States transition but CUSA would be more likely to get a waiver than the Sun Belt if teams start leaving early.

For all other sports no problem and we could do uneven divisions for a year in football. Not ideal but fine and only a year.

Edit...we will be a reclassifying team for 22 and 23 - all games against JMU will be FBS wins or losses

You got a waiver?
Otherwise, you will be considered an FCS independent for 2022 and all games vs JMU will count as an FCS game.

All reclassifying FCS were given a waiver to count as FBS in 22 because they are already close to 85 scholarships since the 2020 season didn't count towards eligibility.

(11-11-2021 12:24 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 10:36 PM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 08:36 PM)gdunn Wrote:  USM leaves that would upset a bunch of CUSA fans banking on that 3 mil

They’re keeping all of that regardless of whether we enter in 2022 or 2023, correct? So what difference does our exit date matter?

CUSA revenue sharing for each school is expected to be around 1.5 million per year. If we leave early and enter the Sunbelt on July 1st of 2022, we only lose that one year of CUSA revenue which means our exit fee in the end would essentially be 1.5 Million. And keep in mind that the Sunbelt graciously waived the entrance fee for all four schools coming on board.

If this is true it makes zero sense to not move. There is no penalty to not move. Quite the contrary. You can stay in CUSA for an additional year, where you don’t want to be, and make no money, or you can move to the SBC and make money.

(11-11-2021 07:55 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 12:24 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 10:36 PM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 08:36 PM)gdunn Wrote:  USM leaves that would upset a bunch of CUSA fans banking on that 3 mil

They’re keeping all of that regardless of whether we enter in 2022 or 2023, correct? So what difference does our exit date matter?

CUSA revenue sharing for each school is expected to be around 1.5 million per year. If we leave early and enter the Sunbelt on July 1st of 2022, we only lose that one year of CUSA revenue which means our exit fee in the end would essentially be 1.5 Million. And keep in mind that the Sunbelt graciously waived the entrance fee for all four schools coming on board.

If this is true it makes zero sense to not move. There is no penalty to not move. Quite the contrary. You can stay in CUSA for an additional year, where you don’t want to be, and make no money, or you can move to the SBC and make money.

That's what I'm thinking, unless there is some additional penalty to be paid in separately from the revenue forfeiture for leaving early.

The issue may be how long of a notice you have to give the conference before leaving. With how salty WKY and MTSU are right now, I don’t see them giving up any money that is contractually owed to them. Some teams work out a deal with the conference. I think it’s always best to move as soon as possible. It’s like getting a divorce and continuing to live in the house with your spouse and you start dating new people. Nothing good is coming from that.

(11-11-2021 09:03 AM)Cinciflame Wrote:  The issue may be how long of a notice you have to give the conference before leaving. With how salty WKY and MTSU are right now, I don’t see them giving up any money that is contractually owed to them. Some teams work out a deal with the conference. I think it’s always best to move as soon as possible. It’s like getting a divorce and continuing to live in the house with your spouse and you start dating new people. Nothing good is coming from that.

From what I've read it goes like this:

USM leaves a year early, CUSA still gets the full two years of distribution which is estimated at $3 million.

USM leaves early they miss a year of distribution from CUSA, but can probably begin receiving distribution from the SBC a year early.

However in doing so this causes a kerfuffle in both SBC and CUSA scheduling for athletics. I think if the Eagles come early it's because the Herd and Monarchs are coming early and it's been worked out with both conferences. Lots of moving parts.