(11-11-2021 08:44 PM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 02:33 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 02:19 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 02:09 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 01:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Yeah essentially you’d forfeit your revenue this year and would rather than forfeiting next years revenue simply cut a check for that, and move early. You would then get normal SBC disbursements in 2022

I dunno. Not even gonna act like I do.

No one knows. I’m even offering a best guesstimate from what I heard. I still have questions if the 14 month notice part of the contract is enforceable

I said this elsewhere.. I'm not an AD nor do I know anyone that is, but I know there's probably language in there about leaving early. Regardless of how it happens exit fees are due and you have to give notice.

I feel like TCU gave notice a day or two after they lost the Conference title to us back in 2003 and the next season was in the MWC. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

TCU played in CUSA for 2004 and went to MWC for 2005.

I stand corrected. I don't know why I thought the other way around.

(11-12-2021 12:43 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(11-11-2021 11:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Everyone is lining up to play us.

I wish we could. Would make getting that 6th win easier.

Yep looking forward to the A State game

(11-12-2021 07:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:05 AM)PureGold Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 12:01 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Southern Miss people, what kind of offense is Hall running? Against USA you're running some old Power I option stuff then some spread option, and I haven't seen that being run anymore. Seems you still have a mobile QB so why not continue?

We don't have a mobile QB right now... We are down to a walk-on QB who couldn't start for his HS (current starter) wearing #24, a grad assistant who never played a down of CFB until this year (backup), and a guy from Louisville who seems to be a major bust (now 2nd backup).

Right now, Hall is just trying to run some sort of a mix offense that caters to the QB situation described above. The first 3 QBs who were on the depth chart all have sustained injuries at various points that have basically knocked them out for the year. We even put in a WR who played QB in HS and he got injured. We are in that bad of a situation when it comes to QB. You will have to watch games over the last couple weeks to see what I'm talking about and why we are doing so poorly on offense.

Gotcha. I thought it was all weird but 24 doesn't look terrible. He looks inexperienced. I'd say if he had been prepared as a back-up through a Redshirt year, freshmen year, and sophomore year that he may be serviceable. But that offense Hall wants to run is a real throw back to the 90's and early 2000's. Will be interesting to see how long Hall sticks to it if you don't have a stout defense.

I think a bigger issue is the lack of talent he inherited. Recruits/signees the last 2+ years of the previous coach almost always only had offers from USM, 1 other G5 team and then 3 or 4 FCS or D2 schools. Rarely were we recruiting/signing guys who had a P5 offer OR recruits who had 3/4/5 FBS offers. And then when we ended up signing said recruit whose offers were 3 FCS schools and us our coaches were boasting on social media about "GAME CHANGER ON BOARD". I realize coaches have to be fake excited about each signee but the level we were getting was showing signs of what was ahead, which is where we are now.

(11-12-2021 08:57 AM)usm99 Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 07:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:05 AM)PureGold Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 12:01 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Southern Miss people, what kind of offense is Hall running? Against USA you're running some old Power I option stuff then some spread option, and I haven't seen that being run anymore. Seems you still have a mobile QB so why not continue?

We don't have a mobile QB right now... We are down to a walk-on QB who couldn't start for his HS (current starter) wearing #24, a grad assistant who never played a down of CFB until this year (backup), and a guy from Louisville who seems to be a major bust (now 2nd backup).

Right now, Hall is just trying to run some sort of a mix offense that caters to the QB situation described above. The first 3 QBs who were on the depth chart all have sustained injuries at various points that have basically knocked them out for the year. We even put in a WR who played QB in HS and he got injured. We are in that bad of a situation when it comes to QB. You will have to watch games over the last couple weeks to see what I'm talking about and why we are doing so poorly on offense.

Gotcha. I thought it was all weird but 24 doesn't look terrible. He looks inexperienced. I'd say if he had been prepared as a back-up through a Redshirt year, freshmen year, and sophomore year that he may be serviceable. But that offense Hall wants to run is a real throw back to the 90's and early 2000's. Will be interesting to see how long Hall sticks to it if you don't have a stout defense.

I think a bigger issue is the lack of talent he inherited. Recruits/signees the last 2+ years of the previous coach almost always only had offers from USM, 1 other G5 team and then 3 or 4 FCS or D2 schools. Rarely were we recruiting/signing guys who had a P5 offer OR recruits who had 3/4/5 FBS offers. And then when we ended up signing said recruit whose offers were 3 FCS schools and us our coaches were boasting on social media about "GAME CHANGER ON BOARD". I realize coaches have to be fake excited about each signee but the level we were getting was showing signs of what was ahead, which is where we are now.

Hop didn't want to compete with the Bamas, LSUs, Ole Misses, or Moo Us.. He'd much rather compete for players with Milsaps, MC, or William Carey. And it shows.

I think that's why Hall is making the comments he's making about after this season he's not sure who'll be left. He's gonna free up schollys and pull a Monk which isn't bad and buys time to recruit young talent if he's not fired or hired away.

(11-12-2021 12:01 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Southern Miss people, what kind of offense is Hall running? Against USA you're running some old Power I option stuff then some spread option, and I haven't seen that being run anymore. Seems you still have a mobile QB so why not continue?

STAGNANT

(11-12-2021 09:17 AM)EagleFWB Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 12:01 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Southern Miss people, what kind of offense is Hall running? Against USA you're running some old Power I option stuff then some spread option, and I haven't seen that being run anymore. Seems you still have a mobile QB so why not continue?

STAGNANT

If anyone doubts him, remember the coach who recruited most of these players quit after the first game last year which I believe was a loss to the South Alabama Jags.

(11-12-2021 09:17 AM)EagleFWB Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 12:01 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Southern Miss people, what kind of offense is Hall running? Against USA you're running some old Power I option stuff then some spread option, and I haven't seen that being run anymore. Seems you still have a mobile QB so why not continue?

STAGNANT

I bet you're still mad about Bower.

(11-12-2021 09:36 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:17 AM)EagleFWB Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 12:01 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Southern Miss people, what kind of offense is Hall running? Against USA you're running some old Power I option stuff then some spread option, and I haven't seen that being run anymore. Seems you still have a mobile QB so why not continue?

STAGNANT

I bet you're still mad about Bower.

Oh no you didn't

(11-12-2021 09:36 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:17 AM)EagleFWB Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 12:01 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Southern Miss people, what kind of offense is Hall running? Against USA you're running some old Power I option stuff then some spread option, and I haven't seen that being run anymore. Seems you still have a mobile QB so why not continue?

STAGNANT

I bet you're still mad about Bower.

Nope. I wanted him gone probably about 2-3 years before it actually happened.

(11-12-2021 09:01 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 08:57 AM)usm99 Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 07:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:05 AM)PureGold Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 12:01 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Southern Miss people, what kind of offense is Hall running? Against USA you're running some old Power I option stuff then some spread option, and I haven't seen that being run anymore. Seems you still have a mobile QB so why not continue?

We don't have a mobile QB right now... We are down to a walk-on QB who couldn't start for his HS (current starter) wearing #24, a grad assistant who never played a down of CFB until this year (backup), and a guy from Louisville who seems to be a major bust (now 2nd backup).

Right now, Hall is just trying to run some sort of a mix offense that caters to the QB situation described above. The first 3 QBs who were on the depth chart all have sustained injuries at various points that have basically knocked them out for the year. We even put in a WR who played QB in HS and he got injured. We are in that bad of a situation when it comes to QB. You will have to watch games over the last couple weeks to see what I'm talking about and why we are doing so poorly on offense.

Gotcha. I thought it was all weird but 24 doesn't look terrible. He looks inexperienced. I'd say if he had been prepared as a back-up through a Redshirt year, freshmen year, and sophomore year that he may be serviceable. But that offense Hall wants to run is a real throw back to the 90's and early 2000's. Will be interesting to see how long Hall sticks to it if you don't have a stout defense.

I think a bigger issue is the lack of talent he inherited. Recruits/signees the last 2+ years of the previous coach almost always only had offers from USM, 1 other G5 team and then 3 or 4 FCS or D2 schools. Rarely were we recruiting/signing guys who had a P5 offer OR recruits who had 3/4/5 FBS offers. And then when we ended up signing said recruit whose offers were 3 FCS schools and us our coaches were boasting on social media about "GAME CHANGER ON BOARD". I realize coaches have to be fake excited about each signee but the level we were getting was showing signs of what was ahead, which is where we are now.

Hop didn't want to compete with the Bamas, LSUs, Ole Misses, or Moo Us.. He'd much rather compete for players with Milsaps, MC, or William Carey. And it shows.

I think that's why Hall is making the comments he's making about after this season he's not sure who'll be left. He's gonna free up schollys and pull a Monk which isn't bad and buys time to recruit young talent if he's not fired or hired away.

Sounds exactly like the situation stAte is in. Butch has made the comment many times about our lack of depth, talent and culture. He said our previous coach only sign 4 high-school olinemen since 2017. That's one OL every year. You can't build depth on the line like that. Butch already has 6 committed this year.

Butch also said we have been ran like a year to year program instead of building the program. It's gonna take him 4 years to get us back to where we use to be. That is how bad one coach can ruin a program if your administration refuses to fire him and let's him stick around longer than he should.

(11-12-2021 10:41 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:01 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 08:57 AM)usm99 Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 07:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:05 AM)PureGold Wrote:  We don't have a mobile QB right now... We are down to a walk-on QB who couldn't start for his HS (current starter) wearing #24, a grad assistant who never played a down of CFB until this year (backup), and a guy from Louisville who seems to be a major bust (now 2nd backup).

Right now, Hall is just trying to run some sort of a mix offense that caters to the QB situation described above. The first 3 QBs who were on the depth chart all have sustained injuries at various points that have basically knocked them out for the year. We even put in a WR who played QB in HS and he got injured. We are in that bad of a situation when it comes to QB. You will have to watch games over the last couple weeks to see what I'm talking about and why we are doing so poorly on offense.

Gotcha. I thought it was all weird but 24 doesn't look terrible. He looks inexperienced. I'd say if he had been prepared as a back-up through a Redshirt year, freshmen year, and sophomore year that he may be serviceable. But that offense Hall wants to run is a real throw back to the 90's and early 2000's. Will be interesting to see how long Hall sticks to it if you don't have a stout defense.

I think a bigger issue is the lack of talent he inherited. Recruits/signees the last 2+ years of the previous coach almost always only had offers from USM, 1 other G5 team and then 3 or 4 FCS or D2 schools. Rarely were we recruiting/signing guys who had a P5 offer OR recruits who had 3/4/5 FBS offers. And then when we ended up signing said recruit whose offers were 3 FCS schools and us our coaches were boasting on social media about "GAME CHANGER ON BOARD". I realize coaches have to be fake excited about each signee but the level we were getting was showing signs of what was ahead, which is where we are now.

Hop didn't want to compete with the Bamas, LSUs, Ole Misses, or Moo Us.. He'd much rather compete for players with Milsaps, MC, or William Carey. And it shows.

I think that's why Hall is making the comments he's making about after this season he's not sure who'll be left. He's gonna free up schollys and pull a Monk which isn't bad and buys time to recruit young talent if he's not fired or hired away.

Sounds exactly like the situation stAte is in. Butch has made the comment many times about our lack of depth, talent and culture. He said our previous coach only sign 4 high-school olinemen since 2017. That's one OL every year. You can't build depth on the line like that. Butch already has 6 committed this year.

Butch also said we have been ran like a year to year program instead of building the program. It's gonna take him 4 years to get us back to where we use to be. That is how bad one coach can ruin a program if your administration refuses to fire him and let's him stick around longer than he should.

I hate that Blake didn't pan out well for you guys, I really liked him when he was here as an OC.

(11-12-2021 10:35 AM)EagleFWB Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:36 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:17 AM)EagleFWB Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 12:01 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Southern Miss people, what kind of offense is Hall running? Against USA you're running some old Power I option stuff then some spread option, and I haven't seen that being run anymore. Seems you still have a mobile QB so why not continue?

STAGNANT

I bet you're still mad about Bower.

Nope. I wanted him gone probably about 2-3 years before it actually happened.

OK, I stand corrected!

(11-12-2021 10:41 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:01 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 08:57 AM)usm99 Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 07:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 01:05 AM)PureGold Wrote:  We don't have a mobile QB right now... We are down to a walk-on QB who couldn't start for his HS (current starter) wearing #24, a grad assistant who never played a down of CFB until this year (backup), and a guy from Louisville who seems to be a major bust (now 2nd backup).

Right now, Hall is just trying to run some sort of a mix offense that caters to the QB situation described above. The first 3 QBs who were on the depth chart all have sustained injuries at various points that have basically knocked them out for the year. We even put in a WR who played QB in HS and he got injured. We are in that bad of a situation when it comes to QB. You will have to watch games over the last couple weeks to see what I'm talking about and why we are doing so poorly on offense.

Gotcha. I thought it was all weird but 24 doesn't look terrible. He looks inexperienced. I'd say if he had been prepared as a back-up through a Redshirt year, freshmen year, and sophomore year that he may be serviceable. But that offense Hall wants to run is a real throw back to the 90's and early 2000's. Will be interesting to see how long Hall sticks to it if you don't have a stout defense.

I think a bigger issue is the lack of talent he inherited. Recruits/signees the last 2+ years of the previous coach almost always only had offers from USM, 1 other G5 team and then 3 or 4 FCS or D2 schools. Rarely were we recruiting/signing guys who had a P5 offer OR recruits who had 3/4/5 FBS offers. And then when we ended up signing said recruit whose offers were 3 FCS schools and us our coaches were boasting on social media about "GAME CHANGER ON BOARD". I realize coaches have to be fake excited about each signee but the level we were getting was showing signs of what was ahead, which is where we are now.

Hop didn't want to compete with the Bamas, LSUs, Ole Misses, or Moo Us.. He'd much rather compete for players with Milsaps, MC, or William Carey. And it shows.

I think that's why Hall is making the comments he's making about after this season he's not sure who'll be left. He's gonna free up schollys and pull a Monk which isn't bad and buys time to recruit young talent if he's not fired or hired away.

Sounds exactly like the situation stAte is in. Butch has made the comment many times about our lack of depth, talent and culture. He said our previous coach only sign 4 high-school olinemen since 2017. That's one OL every year. You can't build depth on the line like that. Butch already has 6 committed this year.

Butch also said we have been ran like a year to year program instead of building the program. It's gonna take him 4 years to get us back to where we use to be. That is how bad one coach can ruin a program if your administration refuses to fire him and let's him stick around longer than he should.

Almost an exact duplicate quote it feels like our coach has made multiple times this year.

(11-12-2021 10:42 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 10:41 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:01 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 08:57 AM)usm99 Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 07:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Gotcha. I thought it was all weird but 24 doesn't look terrible. He looks inexperienced. I'd say if he had been prepared as a back-up through a Redshirt year, freshmen year, and sophomore year that he may be serviceable. But that offense Hall wants to run is a real throw back to the 90's and early 2000's. Will be interesting to see how long Hall sticks to it if you don't have a stout defense.

I think a bigger issue is the lack of talent he inherited. Recruits/signees the last 2+ years of the previous coach almost always only had offers from USM, 1 other G5 team and then 3 or 4 FCS or D2 schools. Rarely were we recruiting/signing guys who had a P5 offer OR recruits who had 3/4/5 FBS offers. And then when we ended up signing said recruit whose offers were 3 FCS schools and us our coaches were boasting on social media about "GAME CHANGER ON BOARD". I realize coaches have to be fake excited about each signee but the level we were getting was showing signs of what was ahead, which is where we are now.

Hop didn't want to compete with the Bamas, LSUs, Ole Misses, or Moo Us.. He'd much rather compete for players with Milsaps, MC, or William Carey. And it shows.

I think that's why Hall is making the comments he's making about after this season he's not sure who'll be left. He's gonna free up schollys and pull a Monk which isn't bad and buys time to recruit young talent if he's not fired or hired away.

Sounds exactly like the situation stAte is in. Butch has made the comment many times about our lack of depth, talent and culture. He said our previous coach only sign 4 high-school olinemen since 2017. That's one OL every year. You can't build depth on the line like that. Butch already has 6 committed this year.

Butch also said we have been ran like a year to year program instead of building the program. It's gonna take him 4 years to get us back to where we use to be. That is how bad one coach can ruin a program if your administration refuses to fire him and let's him stick around longer than he should.

I hate that Blake didn't pan out well for you guys, I really liked him when he was here as an OC.

Every stAte fan that wanted to keep him around was because he was such a good guy. I'm sorry but good guys don't win football games. If anybody pointed out how bad he was at coaching his fans would always step in talking about how nice and friendly he was and how he is such a great guy. Our AD wouldn't fire him because he was a good guy. Well that good guy set our program back 4 years and he left us with nothing on his way out. He even took 3 of our best players with him. He recruited juco players trying to get a P5 job. He never cared about stAte or our program. Andersons nice guy act poisoned our program and the players he recruited that are still here don't want to work hard because under Anderson they didn't have to earn playing time.

Anderson was popular with the players cause he never worked overtime or made his coach do it either. He would give out snowcones in the middle of practice or cut practices short and break out the slip and slides so the players could have fun. He'd host pool parties at his house for the players and cook steaks for them. This all was called the Faith, Family and Fun aspect. He tried to be the players friend instead of being their coach. His work hours for his staff and himself was 9 to 5. Oh and let's not forget the famous snack closet for the players and coaches. He is a good OC but doesn't have the leadership to be a HC.

(11-12-2021 01:27 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 10:42 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 10:41 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 09:01 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-12-2021 08:57 AM)usm99 Wrote:  I think a bigger issue is the lack of talent he inherited. Recruits/signees the last 2+ years of the previous coach almost always only had offers from USM, 1 other G5 team and then 3 or 4 FCS or D2 schools. Rarely were we recruiting/signing guys who had a P5 offer OR recruits who had 3/4/5 FBS offers. And then when we ended up signing said recruit whose offers were 3 FCS schools and us our coaches were boasting on social media about "GAME CHANGER ON BOARD". I realize coaches have to be fake excited about each signee but the level we were getting was showing signs of what was ahead, which is where we are now.

Hop didn't want to compete with the Bamas, LSUs, Ole Misses, or Moo Us.. He'd much rather compete for players with Milsaps, MC, or William Carey. And it shows.

I think that's why Hall is making the comments he's making about after this season he's not sure who'll be left. He's gonna free up schollys and pull a Monk which isn't bad and buys time to recruit young talent if he's not fired or hired away.

Sounds exactly like the situation stAte is in. Butch has made the comment many times about our lack of depth, talent and culture. He said our previous coach only sign 4 high-school olinemen since 2017. That's one OL every year. You can't build depth on the line like that. Butch already has 6 committed this year.

Butch also said we have been ran like a year to year program instead of building the program. It's gonna take him 4 years to get us back to where we use to be. That is how bad one coach can ruin a program if your administration refuses to fire him and let's him stick around longer than he should.

I hate that Blake didn't pan out well for you guys, I really liked him when he was here as an OC.

Every stAte fan that wanted to keep him around was because he was such a good guy. I'm sorry but good guys don't win football games. If anybody pointed out how bad he was at coaching his fans would always step in talking about how nice and friendly he was and how he is such a great guy. Our AD wouldn't fire him because he was a good guy. Well that good guy set our program back 4 years and he left us with nothing on his way out. He even took 3 of our best players with him. He recruited juco players trying to get a P5 job. He never cared about stAte or our program. Andersons nice guy act poisoned our program and the players he recruited that are still here don't want to work hard because under Anderson they didn't have to earn playing time.

Anderson was popular with the players cause he never worked overtime or made his coach do it either. He would give out snowcones in the middle of practice or cut practices short and break out the slip and slides so the players could have fun. He'd host pool parties at his house for the players and cook steaks for them. This all was called the Faith, Family and Fun aspect. He tried to be the players friend instead of being their coach. His work hours for his staff and himself was 9 to 5. Oh and let's not forget the famous snack closet for the players and coaches. He is a good OC but doesn't have the leadership to be a HC.

Now we know.

A point to be made about the situation we are in is Hall said after the last game that we have only 60 scholarship players. You can’t run a n FBS program with a team that short of scholarship players. On top of that he basically threw some under the bus as not FBS college players. Frustrated as I am about our situation now, I have to remind myself just what a cluster he walked into.
Another interesting thing he pointed out was that the reason we seemed to be a different team after the first quarter was that we could scheme our way through lack of talent the first couple of series but when the weaknesses became evident the opposing staff simply began taking advantage of them. Don’t know if that is excuses or not but it is fact we get pasted in the second quarter of every game we play.

(11-13-2021 07:20 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  A point to be made about the situation we are in is Hall said after the last game that we have only 60 scholarship players. You can’t run a n FBS program with a team that short of scholarship players. On top of that he basically threw some under the bus as not FBS college players. Frustrated as I am about our situation now, I have to remind myself just what a cluster he walked into.
Another interesting thing he pointed out was that the reason we seemed to be a different team after the first quarter was that we could scheme our way through lack of talent the first couple of series but when the weaknesses became evident the opposing staff simply began taking advantage of them. Don’t know if that is excuses or not but it is fact we get pasted in the second quarter of every game we play.

Which also means the opposing defense made adjustments and we did not follow with any.

I also read where a DB said we could have made adjustments on defense, but didn't. Or something to that extent.

I think Hall has been using the games as glorified practice and get kids experience at this point.

(11-13-2021 09:02 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  I also read where a DB said we could have made adjustments on defense, but didn't. Or something to that extent.

The biggest adjustment the defense needs right now is a new offense on the other side of the bench. Take away the b.s. scores the offense just hands the other team, and we’re not giving up a ton of points lately. The D is way better than it was in Week 1. Not very good, but good enough that we could win a few games if the offense was competent….or at least scored more points for us than our opponent.

Short answer: yes. We are working hard to make that happen. We want to join this great conference and start helping it continue to rise. If it can be worked out, it will happen.