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(01-05-2022 11:40 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 11:31 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  go find the rapid tests

Good luck with that!

Tell me about it lol

Provide proof of a vaccination that neither prevents the illness or the spread of something that has a 99% survival rate.

Smart.

(01-05-2022 12:42 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Provide proof of a vaccination that neither prevents the illness or the spread of something that has a 99% survival rate.

Smart.

The vaccines both significantly prevent the spread of the illness and the onset of severe symptoms. The data is overwhelmingly clear on this.

I'm not sure the significantly prevent spread data holds up any longer. If you are telling me it is, and it's up to date, I'm not sure I believe the data any longer. I've seen nothing but the exact opposite with Omicron. I'm not talking about just being vaccinated. I'm talking about vaccinated and boosted. I've had person, after person, after person tell me "I'm had the vaccine with the booster and still got it again (which I assume this means its their second round of covid)".

Okay. That's what the data is. If you choose to reject it that's your prerogative. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence, we're lucky to have the tools to understand the vaccine efficacy in real time. To that end, the data is very clear that unvaccinated people are at least 5.1X more likely to contract covid, and that number was higher pre-omicron.

I understand the urge to fall back on anecdotal evidence but we have literally over 2 billion data points of vaccinated individuals to track. You and yours are but a tiny part of that.

(01-05-2022 01:37 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Okay. That's what the data is. If you choose to reject it that's your prerogative. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence, we're lucky to have the tools to understand the vaccine efficacy in real time. To that end, the data is very clear that unvaccinated people are at least 5.1X more likely to contract covid, and that number was higher pre-omicron.

I understand the urge to fall back on anecdotal evidence but we have literally over 2 billion data points of vaccinated individuals to track. You and yours are but a tiny part of that.

That's fine, because there is absolutely no f***ing way that's good data. No way at all.

Kinda of like the mask data that turned out to be a pile of poo. Osterholm said he would of flunked one of his grad students for the research reports that you posted.

I think we need to be careful with "Finalized" data.

You can take this back over to the Covid thread on the Off-topic board!

Agreed. Vaccines work. That's the reality. It's not a controversial opinion and it belongs on the main board.

If you'd like to challenge that belief come over to the off topic thread and I'm happy to go back and forth on it.

(01-05-2022 11:34 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Getting an essentially no risk vaccine to go to a game isn't really much of a barrier to entry. Everyone has a right to make their own choice regarding the vaccine, and UC has the right (if they decide to, they may not) to institute a policy they deem necessary to protect their season ticket holders and student body.

For young and healthy, there is a risk decision to be made. CV death or complications vs. vaccine side effects. Since no one believes VAERS I pulled this from Canada...check out table 1...pretty scary...auto immune, circulatory, myocarditis, bells palsey. I'm by no means and anti-vaxer, in fact I'm vaxed, but for young and healthy I could see the choice to do or not to do either way.
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-...ne-safety/

Last nights game - Anti-vaxxers 75, vaccinated 67.

I watched some of the Kansas-OK St. game last night. Haven't watched too much hoops this year outside of UC. Kansas missed 19 shots in a row to end the first half. OSU shot like 35%. Maybe I've been too hard on our offense this year.

(01-05-2022 02:04 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Agreed. Vaccines work. That's the reality. It's not a controversial opinion and it belongs on the main board.

If you'd like to challenge that belief come over to the off topic thread and I'm happy to go back and forth on it.

I have avoided that thread because it's a **** show of name calling that i have no interest in dealing with. This thread is about the CB season and we don't need a repeat of the covid discussion in this tread!

(01-05-2022 03:18 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 02:04 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Agreed. Vaccines work. That's the reality. It's not a controversial opinion and it belongs on the main board.

If you'd like to challenge that belief come over to the off topic thread and I'm happy to go back and forth on it.

I have avoided that thread because it's a **** show of name calling that i have no interest in dealing with. This thread is about the CB season and we don't need a repeat of the covid discussion in this tread!

We are in full agreeance. This is why I was annoyed to see posters immediately begin posting about vaccines and scientific falsehoods when the discussion arose. I've tried hard to keep Covid stuff in one spot.

(01-05-2022 01:37 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Okay. That's what the data is. If you choose to reject it that's your prerogative. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence, we're lucky to have the tools to understand the vaccine efficacy in real time. To that end, the data is very clear that unvaccinated people are at least 5.1X more likely to contract covid, and that number was higher pre-omicron.

I understand the urge to fall back on anecdotal evidence but we have literally over 2 billion data points of vaccinated individuals to track. You and yours are but a tiny part of that.

Sorry, one more. This data says different.

Look at COVID-19 cases by vaccination status under this link
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

Not sure why you're posting Ontario data but it's not loading for me on my phone. Remind me to look again later. The CDC data, which tracks cases and deaths by vaccination status, showed that unvaccinated individuals were 5.1X more likely to catch covid and 11.4X more likely to die during the month of October and November. Those are not opinions, those are the numbers as we best understand them.

Stop trying to argue this point. It's not some point of controversy amongst medical experts. It's been thoroughly established that the vaccines are effective across multiple variants. Discussions of mandates, masks, social distancing, notwithstanding, there is no debate about whether the vaccines are effective therapeutics against covid. Obviously that doesn't mean they are 100% effective. Don't let dishonest people tell you that's the standard.

Back to basketball. Or if you want to debate vaccines, off topic thread. Either way. Stop posting misleading and false info on the main board.

Jesus, Cataclysmo bled over to the basketball thread.

I was going to post that I watched some of the WI game...Vogt has a significantly reduced role but he’s going to finally win a game in the NCAA’s on his way out. That’s a decent squad. Good for him.

Tari Eason just dropped a 24/11 against Tennessee...his season averages are now at 17 and 8 per game, shooting 48% from the field and 74% from the FT line...man...

i don't get why he wasn't more highly sought after in hs

(01-08-2022 08:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Tari Eason just dropped a 24/11 against Tennessee...his season averages are now at 17 and 8 per game, shooting 48% from the field and 74% from the FT line...man...

He's so damn good. His PER numbers last year were exceptional. He just needed to figure out how to stop fouling. Turnovers were an issue too but you expect that from freshman.

(01-08-2022 08:32 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Tari Eason just dropped a 24/11 against Tennessee...his season averages are now at 17 and 8 per game, shooting 48% from the field and 74% from the FT line...man...

Silver lining... We might only be missing one year of Tari if he keeps going at this rate, though he definitely would have made a big impact here.