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RE: Hardgrave hired! It's official
(11-10-2021 05:06 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 03:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Correct; nothing nefarious about it at all. He was asked in one of the interview sessions how he plans to work on diversity at the UofM when the school he's coming from has a 5% minority population (and that's a generous estimate). He just said he plans to work toward it, and made 'promises' to 2 of the minority BOT members regarding it.

Where does this 5% number come from?

The stat came from the questions posed in his interviews on campus, and he didn't argue the numbers..in fact, he said it was a problem at Auburn.
I just listened to the question & his answer. Don't shoot the messenger.

Seeing that someone deliberately misrepresented facts in order to push an agenda is very disturbing.

When someone does that then you know you will never be able to please them no matter what you do.
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(11-10-2021 05:09 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:33 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:14 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 03:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 03:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Correct; nothing nefarious about it at all. He was asked in one of the interview sessions how he plans to work on diversity at the UofM when the school he's coming from has a 5% minority population (and that's a generous estimate). He just said he plans to work toward it, and made 'promises' to 2 of the minority BOT members regarding it.

The 3rd candidate, Dr. Lim, had actual experience with growing UTA's diversity, citing specific things that he & his leadership did.

True nothing nefarious about a meaningless question. Looks like at 34% diversity is not a problem.

The problem the school has are abysmal graduation rates and an embarrassing admittance percentage. How about work on merit. Get better students

Diversity isn't just about student population. It's also about administration, faculty, and staff. In fact, Rudd stated he wanted his successor to be more representative of the student population.

Grad rates aren't great - currently UofM (41%) is around where UT Chattanooga is (43%), and just a few points under CBU (48%), but the numbers are improving.

Programs geared toward keeping 1st gen students in school (traditionally they have to abandon studies due to lack of funds or other responsibilities) have been introduced over the past several years that have made strides.

As far as the 'get better students' comment goes, you're just showing some ignorance there. I know for a fact the admission requirements have gotten a lot tougher since I was a student.

nope, look it up. they "leveled" the ACT score by adding 4 points since 1980 A 20 in 1980 is a 24 today. I cant remember the last time I heard that someone couldnt get into college. There is a loophole for everything. As far as GPA's from high school, grade inflation is a well docuemented problem.

To the point of diversity in faculty/admin....Ive not seen any stats. Maybe he can hire away Auburn's AD. He is head and sholders above what we have now.

Standardized test scores are a non-issue. In fact, they're about to go away altogether - many universities are already not requiring them.

I'd take Auburn's AD in a heartbeat.

Standardized tests are a huge issue, dumb people and career bureaucrats in education hate them. I've been hearing that they were going away for 30 years. They will not go away at good schools. I will take that bet.

Maybe we should pitch our higher diversity numbers to the Auburn AD, I'm sure that would sway him to come.
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you ***** are overthinking this. Does he raise money? Can he get money from the state? Will he stay out of the way of the AD?
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maybe nope yep
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(11-10-2021 10:59 PM)fsquid Wrote:  you ***** are overthinking this. Does he raise money? Can he get money from the state? Will he stay out of the way of the AD?

Bingo.
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(11-10-2021 08:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 05:09 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:33 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:14 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 03:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  True nothing nefarious about a meaningless question. Looks like at 34% diversity is not a problem.

The problem the school has are abysmal graduation rates and an embarrassing admittance percentage. How about work on merit. Get better students

Diversity isn't just about student population. It's also about administration, faculty, and staff. In fact, Rudd stated he wanted his successor to be more representative of the student population.

Grad rates aren't great - currently UofM (41%) is around where UT Chattanooga is (43%), and just a few points under CBU (48%), but the numbers are improving.

Programs geared toward keeping 1st gen students in school (traditionally they have to abandon studies due to lack of funds or other responsibilities) have been introduced over the past several years that have made strides.

As far as the 'get better students' comment goes, you're just showing some ignorance there. I know for a fact the admission requirements have gotten a lot tougher since I was a student.

nope, look it up. they "leveled" the ACT score by adding 4 points since 1980 A 20 in 1980 is a 24 today. I cant remember the last time I heard that someone couldnt get into college. There is a loophole for everything. As far as GPA's from high school, grade inflation is a well docuemented problem.

To the point of diversity in faculty/admin....Ive not seen any stats. Maybe he can hire away Auburn's AD. He is head and sholders above what we have now.

Standardized test scores are a non-issue. In fact, they're about to go away altogether - many universities are already not requiring them.

I'd take Auburn's AD in a heartbeat.

Standardized tests are a huge issue, dumb people and career bureaucrats in education hate them. I've been hearing that they were going away for 30 years. They will not go away at good schools. I will take that bet.

Maybe we should pitch our higher diversity numbers to the Auburn AD, I'm sure that would sway him to come.

I'm not sure about the ACT/SAT, but the school I work for has dropped the GRE testing requirement for graduate students.
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(11-11-2021 09:42 AM)yakko Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 08:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 05:09 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:33 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:14 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Diversity isn't just about student population. It's also about administration, faculty, and staff. In fact, Rudd stated he wanted his successor to be more representative of the student population.

Grad rates aren't great - currently UofM (41%) is around where UT Chattanooga is (43%), and just a few points under CBU (48%), but the numbers are improving.

Programs geared toward keeping 1st gen students in school (traditionally they have to abandon studies due to lack of funds or other responsibilities) have been introduced over the past several years that have made strides.

As far as the 'get better students' comment goes, you're just showing some ignorance there. I know for a fact the admission requirements have gotten a lot tougher since I was a student.

nope, look it up. they "leveled" the ACT score by adding 4 points since 1980 A 20 in 1980 is a 24 today. I cant remember the last time I heard that someone couldnt get into college. There is a loophole for everything. As far as GPA's from high school, grade inflation is a well docuemented problem.

To the point of diversity in faculty/admin....Ive not seen any stats. Maybe he can hire away Auburn's AD. He is head and sholders above what we have now.

Standardized test scores are a non-issue. In fact, they're about to go away altogether - many universities are already not requiring them.

I'd take Auburn's AD in a heartbeat.

Standardized tests are a huge issue, dumb people and career bureaucrats in education hate them. I've been hearing that they were going away for 30 years. They will not go away at good schools. I will take that bet.

Maybe we should pitch our higher diversity numbers to the Auburn AD, I'm sure that would sway him to come.

I'm not sure about the ACT/SAT, but the school I work for has dropped the GRE testing requirement for graduate students.

Yeah. Gotta let the morons get their grad ED degree. Rigorous programs still require it.

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(11-10-2021 08:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 05:09 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Standardized test scores are a non-issue. In fact, they're about to go away altogether - many universities are already not requiring them.

I'd take Auburn's AD in a heartbeat.

Standardized tests are a huge issue, dumb people and career bureaucrats in education hate them. I've been hearing that they were going away for 30 years.

They will not go away at good schools. I will take that bet.

Then you've already lost:

https://www.fairtest.org/more-half-all-u...universiti

A new tally of higher education testing policies shows that more than half of all 4-year colleges and universities will not require applicants to submit ACT or SAT scores for fall 2021 admission. The National Center for Fair & Open Testing (FairTest), which maintains a master list, reports that 1,240 institutions are now test-optional. The National Center for Educational Statistics counted 2,330 U.S. bachelor-degree granting schools during the 2018-2019 academic year.

Fully 85% of the U.S. News “Top 100” national liberal arts colleges now have ACT/SAT-optional policies in place, according to a FairTest data table. So do 60 of the “Top 100” national universities, including such recent additions as Brown, CalTech, Carnegie Mellon, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, UPenn, Virginia, Washington University in St. Louis, and Yale.

I'd call Columbia, Yale, UVA and the like pretty rigorous.

Going back to entrance requirements at UofM, standardized tests simply won't be an issue much longer.
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Comeon, pay up, ShereK!
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(11-10-2021 06:47 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  
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(11-10-2021 03:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Correct; nothing nefarious about it at all. He was asked in one of the interview sessions how he plans to work on diversity at the UofM when the school he's coming from has a 5% minority population (and that's a generous estimate). He just said he plans to work toward it, and made 'promises' to 2 of the minority BOT members regarding it.

Where does this 5% number come from? (And if you answer Tami Sawyer, all bets are off as to the shots I take.)
It looks to me like Auburn is somewhere around 16% to 24% minority.
Still not great, but not as ridiculous as she is making it sound.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/..._diversity

https://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/a...20genders.

The rub is Auburn's African-American enrollment is 5%.

Over 5% but less than 9% based upon the 3 websites I found.

I have a few beefs on this. First, don't use "diversity" and "black" interchangeably. There are all levels and kinds of diversity. The 3 finalists for the position were a pretty diverse group. They just were not black.

Second, local news keeps showing the Van/Tami letter in which they say 3% black at Auburn (UNTRUE) and they say Memphis is over 40% black (UNTRUE). These are obvious lies, but it continues to go un-checked. If you're going to lie about facts, why should we pay any attention to what you say after that?
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RE: Hardgrave hired! It's official
(11-11-2021 10:43 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 08:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 05:09 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Standardized test scores are a non-issue. In fact, they're about to go away altogether - many universities are already not requiring them.

I'd take Auburn's AD in a heartbeat.

Standardized tests are a huge issue, dumb people and career bureaucrats in education hate them. I've been hearing that they were going away for 30 years.

They will not go away at good schools. I will take that bet.

Then you've already lost:

https://www.fairtest.org/more-half-all-u...universiti

A new tally of higher education testing policies shows that more than half of all 4-year colleges and universities will not require applicants to submit ACT or SAT scores for fall 2021 admission. The National Center for Fair & Open Testing (FairTest), which maintains a master list, reports that 1,240 institutions are now test-optional. The National Center for Educational Statistics counted 2,330 U.S. bachelor-degree granting schools during the 2018-2019 academic year.

Fully 85% of the U.S. News “Top 100” national liberal arts colleges now have ACT/SAT-optional policies in place, according to a FairTest data table. So do 60 of the “Top 100” national universities, including such recent additions as Brown, CalTech, Carnegie Mellon, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, UPenn, Virginia, Washington University in St. Louis, and Yale.

I'd call Columbia, Yale, UVA and the like pretty rigorous.

Going back to entrance requirements at UofM, standardized tests simply won't be an issue much longer.

From yale's website:

Here are a few tips that we hope will help you present yourself as the outstanding person you no doubt are. We wish you all the best and look forward to reading your application.

Academic Ability
Yale is above all an academic institution. This means academic strength is our first consideration in evaluating any candidate. The single most important document in your application is your high school transcript, which tells us a great deal about your academic drive and performance over time. We look for students who have consistently taken a broad range of challenging courses in high school and have done well. Your high school teachers can provide extremely helpful information in their evaluations. Not only do they discuss your performance in their particular class or classes, but often they write about such things as your intellectual curiosity, energy, relationships with classmates, and impact on the classroom environment. Obviously it is important to ask for recommendations from teachers who know you well.

No Score Cutoffs
There are no score cutoffs for standardized tests, and successful candidates present a wide range of test results. During the most recent year, test score ranges (25th to 75th percentiles) for enrolled first-years were:

SAT-Evidence-Based Reading and Writing: 720-770
SAT-Math: 740-790
ACT Composite: 33-35
While there is no hard and fast rule, it is safe to say that performance in school is more important than testing. A very strong performance in a demanding college preparatory program may compensate for modest standardized test scores, but it is unlikely that high standardized test scores will persuade the admissions committee to disregard an undistinguished secondary-school record.

_____

But sure, it doesnt matter.

Go right ahead and encourage students to apply without an SAT score.

Good luck with that.

Hell anyone breathing can get into Memphis, why would they care about a score. You can get in with a 15 adjusted for 1980 numbers. That's barely literate

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(11-10-2021 08:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 05:09 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:33 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:14 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 03:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  True nothing nefarious about a meaningless question. Looks like at 34% diversity is not a problem.

The problem the school has are abysmal graduation rates and an embarrassing admittance percentage. How about work on merit. Get better students

Diversity isn't just about student population. It's also about administration, faculty, and staff. In fact, Rudd stated he wanted his successor to be more representative of the student population.

Grad rates aren't great - currently UofM (41%) is around where UT Chattanooga is (43%), and just a few points under CBU (48%), but the numbers are improving.

Programs geared toward keeping 1st gen students in school (traditionally they have to abandon studies due to lack of funds or other responsibilities) have been introduced over the past several years that have made strides.

As far as the 'get better students' comment goes, you're just showing some ignorance there. I know for a fact the admission requirements have gotten a lot tougher since I was a student.

nope, look it up. they "leveled" the ACT score by adding 4 points since 1980 A 20 in 1980 is a 24 today. I cant remember the last time I heard that someone couldnt get into college. There is a loophole for everything. As far as GPA's from high school, grade inflation is a well docuemented problem.

To the point of diversity in faculty/admin....Ive not seen any stats. Maybe he can hire away Auburn's AD. He is head and sholders above what we have now.

Standardized test scores are a non-issue. In fact, they're about to go away altogether - many universities are already not requiring them.

I'd take Auburn's AD in a heartbeat.

Standardized tests are a huge issue, dumb people and career bureaucrats in education hate them. I've been hearing that they were going away for 30 years. They will not go away at good schools. I will take that bet.

Maybe we should pitch our higher diversity numbers to the Auburn AD, I'm sure that would sway him to come.

Actually there has always been data that supported the premise that GPAs were better indicators of college success that ACT or SAT scores. ACT and SAT are clear that the exams are not intelligence tests. Timed tests are not indicators of learning or future success. Not all career paths require the skill of memory recall in a timed environment. The exams do have some legitimate predictive value especially in some career paths but universal application is not as clear cut.

Then there is the whole issue of broad disparity between economic groups. Availability of of high quality college prep curriculums and test prep and tutoring availability that can start in middle school.

And some colleges have eliminated the exams as an admissions qualifier. Not many but Covid may opened a crack. The list above shows it’s happening.
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(11-11-2021 02:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 10:43 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 08:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 05:09 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Standardized test scores are a non-issue. In fact, they're about to go away altogether - many universities are already not requiring them.

I'd take Auburn's AD in a heartbeat.

Standardized tests are a huge issue, dumb people and career bureaucrats in education hate them. I've been hearing that they were going away for 30 years.

They will not go away at good schools. I will take that bet.

Then you've already lost:

https://www.fairtest.org/more-half-all-u...universiti

A new tally of higher education testing policies shows that more than half of all 4-year colleges and universities will not require applicants to submit ACT or SAT scores for fall 2021 admission. The National Center for Fair & Open Testing (FairTest), which maintains a master list, reports that 1,240 institutions are now test-optional. The National Center for Educational Statistics counted 2,330 U.S. bachelor-degree granting schools during the 2018-2019 academic year.

Fully 85% of the U.S. News “Top 100” national liberal arts colleges now have ACT/SAT-optional policies in place, according to a FairTest data table. So do 60 of the “Top 100” national universities, including such recent additions as Brown, CalTech, Carnegie Mellon, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, UPenn, Virginia, Washington University in St. Louis, and Yale.

I'd call Columbia, Yale, UVA and the like pretty rigorous.

Going back to entrance requirements at UofM, standardized tests simply won't be an issue much longer.

From yale's website:

Here are a few tips that we hope will help you present yourself as the outstanding person you no doubt are. We wish you all the best and look forward to reading your application.

Academic Ability
Yale is above all an academic institution. This means academic strength is our first consideration in evaluating any candidate. The single most important document in your application is your high school transcript, which tells us a great deal about your academic drive and performance over time. We look for students who have consistently taken a broad range of challenging courses in high school and have done well. Your high school teachers can provide extremely helpful information in their evaluations. Not only do they discuss your performance in their particular class or classes, but often they write about such things as your intellectual curiosity, energy, relationships with classmates, and impact on the classroom environment. Obviously it is important to ask for recommendations from teachers who know you well.

No Score Cutoffs
There are no score cutoffs for standardized tests, and successful candidates present a wide range of test results. During the most recent year, test score ranges (25th to 75th percentiles) for enrolled first-years were:

SAT-Evidence-Based Reading and Writing: 720-770
SAT-Math: 740-790
ACT Composite: 33-35
While there is no hard and fast rule, it is safe to say that performance in school is more important than testing. A very strong performance in a demanding college preparatory program may compensate for modest standardized test scores, but it is unlikely that high standardized test scores will persuade the admissions committee to disregard an undistinguished secondary-school record.

_____

But sure, it doesnt matter.

Go right ahead and encourage students to apply without an SAT score.

Good luck with that.

Hell anyone breathing can get into Memphis, why would they care about a score. You can get in with a 15 adjusted for 1980 numbers. That's barely literate

07-coffee3

again, who gives a ****? Can the cracker raise money and get some **** from the state? You ******* worried about race and what party he belongs to.
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(11-11-2021 10:56 PM)fsquid Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 02:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 10:43 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 08:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 05:09 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Standardized test scores are a non-issue. In fact, they're about to go away altogether - many universities are already not requiring them.

I'd take Auburn's AD in a heartbeat.

Standardized tests are a huge issue, dumb people and career bureaucrats in education hate them. I've been hearing that they were going away for 30 years.

They will not go away at good schools. I will take that bet.

Then you've already lost:

https://www.fairtest.org/more-half-all-u...universiti

A new tally of higher education testing policies shows that more than half of all 4-year colleges and universities will not require applicants to submit ACT or SAT scores for fall 2021 admission. The National Center for Fair & Open Testing (FairTest), which maintains a master list, reports that 1,240 institutions are now test-optional. The National Center for Educational Statistics counted 2,330 U.S. bachelor-degree granting schools during the 2018-2019 academic year.

Fully 85% of the U.S. News “Top 100” national liberal arts colleges now have ACT/SAT-optional policies in place, according to a FairTest data table. So do 60 of the “Top 100” national universities, including such recent additions as Brown, CalTech, Carnegie Mellon, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, UPenn, Virginia, Washington University in St. Louis, and Yale.

I'd call Columbia, Yale, UVA and the like pretty rigorous.

Going back to entrance requirements at UofM, standardized tests simply won't be an issue much longer.

From yale's website:

Here are a few tips that we hope will help you present yourself as the outstanding person you no doubt are. We wish you all the best and look forward to reading your application.

Academic Ability
Yale is above all an academic institution. This means academic strength is our first consideration in evaluating any candidate. The single most important document in your application is your high school transcript, which tells us a great deal about your academic drive and performance over time. We look for students who have consistently taken a broad range of challenging courses in high school and have done well. Your high school teachers can provide extremely helpful information in their evaluations. Not only do they discuss your performance in their particular class or classes, but often they write about such things as your intellectual curiosity, energy, relationships with classmates, and impact on the classroom environment. Obviously it is important to ask for recommendations from teachers who know you well.

No Score Cutoffs
There are no score cutoffs for standardized tests, and successful candidates present a wide range of test results. During the most recent year, test score ranges (25th to 75th percentiles) for enrolled first-years were:

SAT-Evidence-Based Reading and Writing: 720-770
SAT-Math: 740-790
ACT Composite: 33-35
While there is no hard and fast rule, it is safe to say that performance in school is more important than testing. A very strong performance in a demanding college preparatory program may compensate for modest standardized test scores, but it is unlikely that high standardized test scores will persuade the admissions committee to disregard an undistinguished secondary-school record.

_____

But sure, it doesnt matter.

Go right ahead and encourage students to apply without an SAT score.

Good luck with that.

Hell anyone breathing can get into Memphis, why would they care about a score. You can get in with a 15 adjusted for 1980 numbers. That's barely literate

07-coffee3

again, who gives a ****? Can the cracker raise money and get some **** from the state? You ******* worried about race and what party he belongs to.

I'm not worried. They big mad because he is a ^ but don't have the guts to say it. I like watching them squirm.

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(11-12-2021 01:36 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 10:56 PM)fsquid Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 02:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 10:43 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 08:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Standardized tests are a huge issue, dumb people and career bureaucrats in education hate them. I've been hearing that they were going away for 30 years.

They will not go away at good schools. I will take that bet.

Then you've already lost:

https://www.fairtest.org/more-half-all-u...universiti

A new tally of higher education testing policies shows that more than half of all 4-year colleges and universities will not require applicants to submit ACT or SAT scores for fall 2021 admission. The National Center for Fair & Open Testing (FairTest), which maintains a master list, reports that 1,240 institutions are now test-optional. The National Center for Educational Statistics counted 2,330 U.S. bachelor-degree granting schools during the 2018-2019 academic year.

Fully 85% of the U.S. News “Top 100” national liberal arts colleges now have ACT/SAT-optional policies in place, according to a FairTest data table. So do 60 of the “Top 100” national universities, including such recent additions as Brown, CalTech, Carnegie Mellon, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, UPenn, Virginia, Washington University in St. Louis, and Yale.

I'd call Columbia, Yale, UVA and the like pretty rigorous.

Going back to entrance requirements at UofM, standardized tests simply won't be an issue much longer.

From yale's website:

Here are a few tips that we hope will help you present yourself as the outstanding person you no doubt are. We wish you all the best and look forward to reading your application.

Academic Ability
Yale is above all an academic institution. This means academic strength is our first consideration in evaluating any candidate. The single most important document in your application is your high school transcript, which tells us a great deal about your academic drive and performance over time. We look for students who have consistently taken a broad range of challenging courses in high school and have done well. Your high school teachers can provide extremely helpful information in their evaluations. Not only do they discuss your performance in their particular class or classes, but often they write about such things as your intellectual curiosity, energy, relationships with classmates, and impact on the classroom environment. Obviously it is important to ask for recommendations from teachers who know you well.

No Score Cutoffs
There are no score cutoffs for standardized tests, and successful candidates present a wide range of test results. During the most recent year, test score ranges (25th to 75th percentiles) for enrolled first-years were:

SAT-Evidence-Based Reading and Writing: 720-770
SAT-Math: 740-790
ACT Composite: 33-35
While there is no hard and fast rule, it is safe to say that performance in school is more important than testing. A very strong performance in a demanding college preparatory program may compensate for modest standardized test scores, but it is unlikely that high standardized test scores will persuade the admissions committee to disregard an undistinguished secondary-school record.

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But sure, it doesnt matter.

Go right ahead and encourage students to apply without an SAT score.

Good luck with that.

Hell anyone breathing can get into Memphis, why would they care about a score. You can get in with a 15 adjusted for 1980 numbers. That's barely literate

07-coffee3

again, who gives a ****? Can the cracker raise money and get some **** from the state? You ******* worried about race and what party he belongs to.

I'm not worried. They big mad because he is a ^ but don't have the guts to say it. I like watching them squirm.

07-coffee3

Laughable reaction, yet completely expected. Lim had the experience that Hardgrave didn't in dealing with that particular aspect of being pres (which is as important as many of the other expected job duties mentioned in this thread.)

Time will tell if Hardgrave can keep his promises and continue the momentum that the UofM has been building for years...I hope he can.
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People who like to watch things squirm should get some fishin worms and put them on hooks. It's a useful past time doing service for others.

The fact is you could start a business hooking worms for the squeamish.

wormsquirm.com or wormsareus.com

I wonder if those domain names are taken.

The truth is Hardgrave seems to have made some people angry...we will see if he can lead without too much controversy and inspire people and gov agencies to drop some money into our program instead.
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(11-11-2021 12:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 06:47 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 04:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(11-10-2021 03:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Correct; nothing nefarious about it at all. He was asked in one of the interview sessions how he plans to work on diversity at the UofM when the school he's coming from has a 5% minority population (and that's a generous estimate). He just said he plans to work toward it, and made 'promises' to 2 of the minority BOT members regarding it.

Where does this 5% number come from? (And if you answer Tami Sawyer, all bets are off as to the shots I take.)
It looks to me like Auburn is somewhere around 16% to 24% minority.
Still not great, but not as ridiculous as she is making it sound.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/..._diversity

https://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/a...20genders.

The rub is Auburn's African-American enrollment is 5%.

Over 5% but less than 9% based upon the 3 websites I found.

I have a few beefs on this. First, don't use "diversity" and "black" interchangeably. There are all levels and kinds of diversity. The 3 finalists for the position were a pretty diverse group. They just were not black.

Second, local news keeps showing the Van/Tami letter in which they say 3% black at Auburn (UNTRUE) and they say Memphis is over 40% black (UNTRUE). These are obvious lies, but it continues to go un-checked. If you're going to lie about facts, why should we pay any attention to what you say after that?

At one time I know that a priority for student recruitment at U of M was non-Memphis area students .... The push was to enroll out of state students to help with "diversity" numbers .... Rural vs Urban areas, reach to entire 50 states, International students, etc .
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The last time I recall race being THE top selection criteria for an important position at the university, we ended up with Tic Price.
Left with freedom to base selection on merits and resume, we can end up with people like Penny, Merriweather...and Rudd.
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(11-12-2021 02:07 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  People who like to watch things squirm should get some fishin worms and put them on hooks. It's a useful past time doing service for others.

The fact is you could start a business hooking worms for the squeamish.

wormsquirm.com or wormsareus.com

I wonder if those domain names are taken.

The truth is Hardgrave seems to have made some people angry...we will see if he can lead without too much controversy and inspire people and gov agencies to drop some money into our program instead.

I like seeing disingenuous people squirm. I like to fish too. Dude is a good choice. We know why they dont like him. Few have the guts to say it and I grow weary of their mendacity.

Best place to find night crawlers is under pine needles in a shady spot. I'm helpful that way.
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