If it's 40-50 schools, then we won't be the only ones left out.
Lots of existing P5's would be left out too.
Not to mention our buddies like Houston, Cincy, UCF.
I guess the way that would happen is the P5 becomes a P3 with 16ish each.
B12 and ACC fold, after their top remaining programs get scooped.
Still trying to picture what barrier to entry the "big dawgs" would create to get there...

(11-09-2021 02:56 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

Maybe, but excuse me if I don't accept a board member from MTSU as my primary source for what big boy college football will look like in the future.

(11-09-2021 04:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If it's 40-50 schools, then we won't be the only ones left out.
Lots of existing P5's would be left out too.
Not to mention our buddies like Houston, Cincy, UCF.
I guess the way that would happen is the P5 becomes a P3 with 16ish each.
B12 and ACC fold, after their top remaining programs get scooped.
Still trying to picture what barrier to entry the "big dawgs" would create to get there...

Probably would be similar to how OU and UT left the Big 12. All the tops teams split off from their conferences and form a new conference/league.

(11-09-2021 05:23 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Maybe, but excuse me if I don't accept a board member from MTSU as my primary source for what big boy college football will look like in the future.

I agree with what you are saying. At the same time this has been talked about for so long and thing have been moving to open up that possibility. Not saying it will happen, but the potential is closer than it has been in the past.

(11-09-2021 05:58 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 04:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If it's 40-50 schools, then we won't be the only ones left out.
Lots of existing P5's would be left out too.
Not to mention our buddies like Houston, Cincy, UCF.
I guess the way that would happen is the P5 becomes a P3 with 16ish each.
B12 and ACC fold, after their top remaining programs get scooped.
Still trying to picture what barrier to entry the "big dawgs" would create to get there...

Probably would be similar to how OU and UT left the Big 12. All the tops teams split off from their conferences and form a new conference/league.

Yeah, I get some of that.
Hard to imagine the SEC dragging Vandy (Miss St too?) with them to such an exclusive club.
Or the B1G taking Rutgers.
Or the PAC taking Wash St.
So it would have to be new conferences around, as it might be hard to kick them out.
But my question is, how do they legally prevent other conferences from joining a new division?
Currently there are scholly, budgetary, attendance, etc. requirements for the various divisions.
So there will have to be some barrier to entry or ante to keep other conferences out without running into legal issues.
Maybe minimum wages for players?

(11-09-2021 04:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If it's 40-50 schools, then we won't be the only ones left out.
Lots of existing P5's would be left out too.
Not to mention our buddies like Houston, Cincy, UCF.
I guess the way that would happen is the P5 becomes a P3 with 16ish each.
B12 and ACC fold, after their top remaining programs get scooped.
Still trying to picture what barrier to entry the "big dawgs" would create to get there...

Yeah they'll just essentially be minor league professional football.

That is probably what will eventually happen.

(11-09-2021 06:17 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 05:58 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 04:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If it's 40-50 schools, then we won't be the only ones left out.
Lots of existing P5's would be left out too.
Not to mention our buddies like Houston, Cincy, UCF.
I guess the way that would happen is the P5 becomes a P3 with 16ish each.
B12 and ACC fold, after their top remaining programs get scooped.
Still trying to picture what barrier to entry the "big dawgs" would create to get there...

Probably would be similar to how OU and UT left the Big 12. All the tops teams split off from their conferences and form a new conference/league.

Yeah, I get some of that.
Hard to imagine the SEC dragging Vandy (Miss St too?) with them to such an exclusive club.
Or the B1G taking Rutgers.
Or the PAC taking Wash St.
So it would have to be new conferences around, as it might be hard to kick them out.
But my question is, how do they legally prevent other conferences from joining a new division?
Currently there are scholly, budgetary, attendance, etc. requirements for the various divisions.
So there will have to be some barrier to entry or ante to keep other conferences out without running into legal issues.
Maybe minimum wages for players?

That's the same as I was thinking. Pay for play would be what separates them. That leads to my question. If that is what creates the line would schools that are not in the assumed group of 40-50, but are willing to pay players, be allowed to cross that line and join them?

(11-09-2021 04:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If it's 40-50 schools, then we won't be the only ones left out.
Lots of existing P5's would be left out too.
Not to mention our buddies like Houston, Cincy, UCF.
I guess the way that would happen is the P5 becomes a P3 with 16ish each.
B12 and ACC fold, after their top remaining programs get scooped.
Still trying to picture what barrier to entry the "big dawgs" would create to get there...

Attendance of 80,000, or 70,000, or 60,000 . . . some big number. Maybe "attendance capacity" or percentage of seats sold in order to keep some desirable teams, aka TV markets.

Average coaches' poll (*) rating, using only their coaches though.

They might go straight to the heart of the matter, tv ratings capability.

6 16 team conferencies makes sense. That is 96 teams. It only makes sense if some of the current P5 teams are not included. It could happen if there were play in and play out games every year and losers were relegated and winners elevated. This would make for some very competitive football and an end to the 4 to 6 team domination of the entire sport. Might not be enough time left for this to happen. Soon it will be to damn hot `to play outside.

(11-09-2021 07:26 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 06:17 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 05:58 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 04:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If it's 40-50 schools, then we won't be the only ones left out.
Lots of existing P5's would be left out too.
Not to mention our buddies like Houston, Cincy, UCF.
I guess the way that would happen is the P5 becomes a P3 with 16ish each.
B12 and ACC fold, after their top remaining programs get scooped.
Still trying to picture what barrier to entry the "big dawgs" would create to get there...

Probably would be similar to how OU and UT left the Big 12. All the tops teams split off from their conferences and form a new conference/league.

Yeah, I get some of that.
Hard to imagine the SEC dragging Vandy (Miss St too?) with them to such an exclusive club.
Or the B1G taking Rutgers.
Or the PAC taking Wash St.
So it would have to be new conferences around, as it might be hard to kick them out.
But my question is, how do they legally prevent other conferences from joining a new division?
Currently there are scholly, budgetary, attendance, etc. requirements for the various divisions.
So there will have to be some barrier to entry or ante to keep other conferences out without running into legal issues.
Maybe minimum wages for players?

That's the same as I was thinking. Pay for play would be what separates them. That leads to my question. If that is what creates the line would schools that are not in the assumed group of 40-50, but are willing to pay players, be allowed to cross that line and join them?

The NFL can’t sustain 30 quality teams with every advantage why would anyone think 40 college teams in a super league would work. You would suck out the last vestiges of what makes college sports unique. That kind of greed and elitism would raise expectations to unsustainable levels in a college environment. The P5 and current playoff structure is already several steps in the wrong direction.

The exclusionary approach at that level would create a legal battle of epic proportions. Maybe they can find a number that works but the process will be an ugly one if they try and make the elite group too small.

TigerX3,
U nailed it with your description

(11-10-2021 04:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 07:26 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 06:17 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 05:58 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 04:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If it's 40-50 schools, then we won't be the only ones left out.
Lots of existing P5's would be left out too.
Not to mention our buddies like Houston, Cincy, UCF.
I guess the way that would happen is the P5 becomes a P3 with 16ish each.
B12 and ACC fold, after their top remaining programs get scooped.
Still trying to picture what barrier to entry the "big dawgs" would create to get there...

Probably would be similar to how OU and UT left the Big 12. All the tops teams split off from their conferences and form a new conference/league.

Yeah, I get some of that.
Hard to imagine the SEC dragging Vandy (Miss St too?) with them to such an exclusive club.
Or the B1G taking Rutgers.
Or the PAC taking Wash St.
So it would have to be new conferences around, as it might be hard to kick them out.
But my question is, how do they legally prevent other conferences from joining a new division?
Currently there are scholly, budgetary, attendance, etc. requirements for the various divisions.
So there will have to be some barrier to entry or ante to keep other conferences out without running into legal issues.
Maybe minimum wages for players?

That's the same as I was thinking. Pay for play would be what separates them. That leads to my question. If that is what creates the line would schools that are not in the assumed group of 40-50, but are willing to pay players, be allowed to cross that line and join them?

The NFL can’t sustain 30 quality teams with every advantage why would anyone think 40 college teams in a super league would work. You would suck out the last vestiges of what makes college sports unique. That kind of greed and elitism would raise expectations to unsustainable levels in a college environment. The P5 and current playoff structure is already several steps in the wrong direction.

The exclusionary approach at that level would create a legal battle of epic proportions. Maybe they can find a number that works but the process will be an ugly one if they try and make the elite group too small.

Its already happened.

Both Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee State remain in c-usa. Next up 2024?

So CUSA is left with:
WKU
MTSU
FIU
La Tech
UTEP

Plus new members:
Liberty
Sam Houston
NM State
Jax State

That's rough.

As it stands today, I think the G5 rankings are:
AAC / MWC battling for top spot
drop off
Sun Belt
LARGE drop off
MAC / CUSA battling for 4th

(11-10-2021 07:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 04:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 07:26 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 06:17 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 05:58 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Probably would be similar to how OU and UT left the Big 12. All the tops teams split off from their conferences and form a new conference/league.

Yeah, I get some of that.
Hard to imagine the SEC dragging Vandy (Miss St too?) with them to such an exclusive club.
Or the B1G taking Rutgers.
Or the PAC taking Wash St.
So it would have to be new conferences around, as it might be hard to kick them out.
But my question is, how do they legally prevent other conferences from joining a new division?
Currently there are scholly, budgetary, attendance, etc. requirements for the various divisions.
So there will have to be some barrier to entry or ante to keep other conferences out without running into legal issues.
Maybe minimum wages for players?

That's the same as I was thinking. Pay for play would be what separates them. That leads to my question. If that is what creates the line would schools that are not in the assumed group of 40-50, but are willing to pay players, be allowed to cross that line and join them?

The NFL can’t sustain 30 quality teams with every advantage why would anyone think 40 college teams in a super league would work. You would suck out the last vestiges of what makes college sports unique. That kind of greed and elitism would raise expectations to unsustainable levels in a college environment. The P5 and current playoff structure is already several steps in the wrong direction.

The exclusionary approach at that level would create a legal battle of epic proportions. Maybe they can find a number that works but the process will be an ugly one if they try and make the elite group too small.

Its already happened.

In like 1970