This CAA thing doesn't really bother me. I'm losing no sleep over it and really don't think our athletes are either. I fully expected everything the CAA is doing. I'm so invested in where we're headed and wanted it for so long, I wouldn't care if the CAA cancelled all conference competitions involving JMU. I wouldn't call a CAA school for any OoC games for any sport until they reached out to us and they will. We've got plenty of A10, ACC, Southern, Big South, BE, etc. teams we can do deals with, I'd ban our coaches from calling for a game for at least a year and even after that I'd make them pick up the phone first.

(11-10-2021 07:40 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 09:08 PM)Harrisonburger Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 06:07 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  And speaking of taking the High Road, they ban us from competing for championships, they take away our TV games and leave the one with a national power, and also don’t consider our athletes for conference honors. How freakin’ petty could the conference be? You mean to tell me Kris Thornton’s 8 catches for 142 yards and a record setting 4 TDs don’t warrant POW honors?

The guy who got the award this week DID carry the ball 45 times for 222 yards and 2 TD's. And led Albany to their first win. Seems like at worst we didn't get the benefit of the doubt on a close call. Which I could believe.

Which doesn't mean I didn't want Thornton to get it.

Getting 2 TDs is nice, worthy of Player of the Game, 222 yards is pretty good but not great when you get 45 carries, that less than 5 yards/carry. Those 45 carries in that 1 game would rank in the top 25 for most individual carries this season with most schools having played 9 games.

Nothing you said is incorrect. That's why I added some references to context. First Albany win, and for a team that while not great, had played at a level where you wouldn't expect them to have been winless at this point. Did it against UNH who, while not great, haven't been wretched and kind of gave us fits. Does Albany win this game without this player and his performance? Seems problematic. Without Thornton we almost surely beat Campbell, and maybe Wells has 4 TD's. And 45 carries jumps off the page in a way not dissimilar to 4 receiving TD's If you want to say 222 yards and 2 TD's are good but not necessarily POW #'s, isn't that also true about Thornton's #'s for receptions and yards if you take away the TD's? And heck, the # next to the guy's 45 IS 222, not 52.

Hey, I didn't get a vote, haven't really thought about it, so with little thought and no attempt to correct for bias, I give it to Thornton. My only point is while we've obviously gotten worse treatment by the CAA than anyone deserves, and are likely to continue to get it as long as the CAA gets opportunities, personally this isn't an example I'd emphasize to prove this point.

(11-10-2021 08:58 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  This CAA thing doesn't really bother me. I'm losing no sleep over it and really don't think our athletes are either. I fully expected everything the CAA is doing. I'm so invested in where we're headed and wanted it for so long, I wouldn't care if the CAA cancelled all conference competitions involving JMU. I wouldn't call a CAA school for any OoC games for any sport until they reached out to us and they will. We've got plenty of A10, ACC, Southern, Big South, BE, etc. teams we can do deals with, I'd ban our coaches from calling for a game for at least a year and even after that I'd make them pick up the phone first.

There are definitely athletes (as well as parents) that are upset. It's easier for the fans to swallow a "dead year" but it sucks for the athlete who has laid it all out for what will feel like nothing as this will be the end of their athletic careers when they graduate.

In a way, I would hope the ban would energize the athletes more than not having the ban in place.

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Thornton deserved it - 4 TDs from a WR is all you need to say. That is insane. His yard total was the 4th best in CAA this year, but it was actually lower than Wells when he was honored in Week 2, but again, 4 TDs by a WR is insane.

Karl Mofor deserved it - 2 TDs isn't noteworthy, but 232 yards is the most in the CAA this season by 30 yards. And oh by the way, the 192 yard 2 TD game that Karl surpassed, was recognized as the Off Player of the Week (and the only other week a RB got the award). Karl had an amazing game. The fact he carried it 45 yards is a bragging point, not a detriment. He freaking averaged 5 yards a pop for 45 times! No CAA RB has more than 30 attempts in a game this year. No JMU RB has had more than 21 rushes in a game. Screw the yardage and the TD total, if Karl was even able to stand up on Sunday, he was worthy of recognition. Last note, as a team, excluding Karl and sacks, Albany rushed 7 times for 4 yards. Karl put the team on his back and got them in the win column.

Did Thornton get snubbed bc of the Sun Belt announcement? Don't know. Did Thornton get snubbed because JMU has won the Off Player of the Week 4 of the 9 weeks and 5 of 9 would have looked bad? Don't know. Did Thornton get snubbed bc his admittedly not really standout yardage total (even though the TDs is all that matters in this case) came against weaksauce Campbell versus the CAA powerhouse in UNH (descriptors based on assumed/historical perception, not actual performance on field this year)? Don't know.

There have been Co-Def players of the week 3 times this year already. This seems like the ideal week there was a Co-Off player of the week. Two players deserved it. Sucks that Thornton didn't recognized.

Yep, no argument there. Would have been a good week to give it to both of them

(11-10-2021 12:08 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  There have been Co-Def players of the week 3 times this year already. This seems like the ideal week there was a Co-Off player of the week. Two players deserved it. Sucks that Thornton didn't recognized.

Yeah, think co-offensive POW would have made sense here.

(11-10-2021 11:04 PM)waterwagen Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 12:08 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  There have been Co-Def players of the week 3 times this year already. This seems like the ideal week there was a Co-Off player of the week. Two players deserved it. Sucks that Thornton didn't recognized.

Yeah, think co-offensive POW would have made sense here.

Having seen the CAA's actions thus far I would not expect any JMU athletes to receive any awards, acknowledgement or birthday cards from the conference. Ignore the words and rely on the actions.

(11-11-2021 06:28 AM)AllForDukes Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 11:04 PM)waterwagen Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 12:08 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  There have been Co-Def players of the week 3 times this year already. This seems like the ideal week there was a Co-Off player of the week. Two players deserved it. Sucks that Thornton didn't recognized.

Yeah, think co-offensive POW would have made sense here.

Having seen the CAA's actions thus far I would not expect any JMU athletes to receive any awards, acknowledgement or birthday cards from the conference. Ignore the words and rely on the actions.

Dont worry though, they'll still use pictures of our athletes and facilities to promote the conference

(11-10-2021 09:55 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 08:58 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  This CAA thing doesn't really bother me. I'm losing no sleep over it and really don't think our athletes are either. I fully expected everything the CAA is doing. I'm so invested in where we're headed and wanted it for so long, I wouldn't care if the CAA cancelled all conference competitions involving JMU. I wouldn't call a CAA school for any OoC games for any sport until they reached out to us and they will. We've got plenty of A10, ACC, Southern, Big South, BE, etc. teams we can do deals with, I'd ban our coaches from calling for a game for at least a year and even after that I'd make them pick up the phone first.

There are definitely athletes (as well as parents) that are upset. It's easier for the fans to swallow a "dead year" but it sucks for the athlete who has laid it all out for what will feel like nothing as this will be the end of their athletic careers when they graduate.

I agree completely. While I have not talked to a huge number of athletes and parents, those I have talked to are pretty devastated. I would hope that we as fans and supporters of the athletes would be a bit more sensitive to the blow they have received and allow them this sorrow and pain for a while. I do believe (and have encouraged those I have talked with) that the athletes will do their best and try to have some fun in their season. Control what they can control (at least a little bit).

(11-10-2021 09:55 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 08:58 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  This CAA thing doesn't really bother me. I'm losing no sleep over it and really don't think our athletes are either. I fully expected everything the CAA is doing. I'm so invested in where we're headed and wanted it for so long, I wouldn't care if the CAA cancelled all conference competitions involving JMU. I wouldn't call a CAA school for any OoC games for any sport until they reached out to us and they will. We've got plenty of A10, ACC, Southern, Big South, BE, etc. teams we can do deals with, I'd ban our coaches from calling for a game for at least a year and even after that I'd make them pick up the phone first.

There are definitely athletes (as well as parents) that are upset. It's easier for the fans to swallow a "dead year" but it sucks for the athlete who has laid it all out for what will feel like nothing as this will be the end of their athletic careers when they graduate.

I had a similar situation in my Senior year of HS Football. It killed me 30+ years ago, and still think about it to this day.

I'm sure Athletes and parents care a TON, especially the seniors.

(11-11-2021 10:08 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 09:55 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-10-2021 08:58 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  This CAA thing doesn't really bother me. I'm losing no sleep over it and really don't think our athletes are either. I fully expected everything the CAA is doing. I'm so invested in where we're headed and wanted it for so long, I wouldn't care if the CAA cancelled all conference competitions involving JMU. I wouldn't call a CAA school for any OoC games for any sport until they reached out to us and they will. We've got plenty of A10, ACC, Southern, Big South, BE, etc. teams we can do deals with, I'd ban our coaches from calling for a game for at least a year and even after that I'd make them pick up the phone first.

There are definitely athletes (as well as parents) that are upset. It's easier for the fans to swallow a "dead year" but it sucks for the athlete who has laid it all out for what will feel like nothing as this will be the end of their athletic careers when they graduate.

I had a similar situation in my Senior year of HS Football. It killed me 30+ years ago, and still think about it to this day.

I'm sure Athletes and parents care a TON, especially the seniors.

Amen. As deez says, I hope everyone can be sensitive to the issue. I tried to stay all positive Spring of 2020 when my high school senior missed out on all of the usual senior stuff including a huge band trip to NYC that she was looking forward to like crazy. But as a parent, it broke my heart.

Yep those kids & the class of 2021 got it pretty bad. Lots of missed things every other kid gets to experience.

Similarly, trying to punch NCAA tickets via at-large is a nearly impossible task for some of the teams. I am not outraged by the result (one year without CAA auto bids), but the process showed something pretty ugly within the CAA.

Comments from the UNCW official (their AD?) seemed pretty callous and petty. But they’re where they are & we’re gonna be somewhere that’s positive for JMU. So there’s that.

(11-11-2021 11:07 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Comments from the UNCW official (their AD?) seemed pretty callous and petty. But they’re where they are & we’re gonna be somewhere that’s positive for JMU. So there’s that.

The cake comment was the chancellor, Jose "Zito" Sartarelli. The AD is Jimmy Bass. I've email the list below a couple times already.

sartarellij@uncw.edu,
bassj@uncw.edu,
balloub@uncw.edu,
davislk@uncw.edu,
doelle@uncw.edu,
lackeym@uncw.edu,
lanierm@uncw.edu,
roseborod@uncw.edu,
schererj@uncw.edu,
stuarte@uncw.edu,
weavera@uncw.edu,
winebrakej@uncw.edu

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Meh. I think this is very, very over. I don't think that e-mailing the admin at UNCW or boycotting CAA sponsors is going to have an effect. However crapulent the league's actions were, they were still within the bylaws, and I don't see JMU taking legal action and keeping the university in the news for this crap any longer--even if the coverage is decidedly anti-CAA. The news cycle will runs its course very soon.

They league presidents may very well have acted as they did to spite JMU as much as to selfishly try to keep the league together. Suddenly you've got a lot of schools in the league with no long histories. JMU was the school with the long rivalries with W&M, UNCW, Richmond, Delaware and so on. The glue. Well, the glue has left, and there's not much commonality to hold the league together, or good reason for other schools to join the league. Is there an FCS program itching for a new conference? A school looking to start FCS football? An FBS program looking to drop? (although UConn and UMass should--it works for Villanova) A non-football D-I school looking for a better deal? I think the answer is no, and the league knows it. They want to keep what they have under threat of sanctions.

(11-11-2021 05:44 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  Meh. I think this is very, very over. I don't think that e-mailing the admin at UNCW or boycotting CAA sponsors is going to have an effect. However crapulent the league's actions were, they were still within the bylaws, and I don't see JMU taking legal action and keeping the university in the news for this crap any longer--even if the coverage is decidedly anti-CAA. The news cycle will runs its course very soon.

I thought I saw something in the bi-laws about the CAA legal fees being paid by the withdrawing school upon request from the CAA. Not sure if it’s just about legal proceedings to withdraw, or any proceedings resulting from our withdrawal.

“Should it become necessary for the Association to incur legal expenses as a result of a member withdrawing from the Association, all such legal expenses shall be paid by the withdrawing member on request by the Association.”

While this has really sucked, in a way I feel like it has brought us closer together.
Our athletes are supporting each other even more and the fan support is more active.
We are all angry and fired up.
While this is over in regards to this changing, this isn't over for the teams and athletes that are affected.
We need to support them now more than ever.
The CAA was trying to hurt us, but we will come out of this even stronger!

Assuming we finish the season behind Villanova in the CAA and get an at-large as expected, can we just withdraw from CAA Football and play in the playoffs as an independent? It’s a separate conference legally. I would prefer to play our ESPN games with no CAA logos in sight.