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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
After reading numerous threads on this site tonight. It just warms my heart so much to have all these visitors and people from schools that are soon leaving really rooting CUSA on to bigger and better things. A special shout out to our cajun friends who have given so many suggestions on how to make our decisions for the future.
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 12:05 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 10:31 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
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(11-08-2021 10:06 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Football - Mountain West
Basketball - Mountain West but the AAC is solid at the top. They added too many anchors at the bottom.
Nobody cares about the other sports but I’ll give the Sun Belt the edge in baseball.
The edge? The SBC is legit on the diamond sports but I get it. I disagree with you on football but by no means am I suggesting we blow the doors off the MW. I’m just answering the original threads question. The SBC will be pushing the MW as the top G5 conference and LaTech will not have the last laugh. I feel my point is valid and factual.

You just became the C-USA version of 2005-present. Too many schools cannibalizing each other in football and basketball. Only Old Dominion moves the needle in basketball from the new additions. Georgia State is the best basketball school you currently have, right? So I fail to see how those two schools will make it a two bid league in the short term and I frankly don’t see how the Sun Belt will push the MWC for the top spot in both revenue sports. Then there’s the AAC with their bigger budgets and better tv deal. Five years is a good barometer if we are right or wrong. You’ll be #3 at best which is not terrible by any means. You’ll have baseball and men’s soccer. I’ll give you that.
The SBC is wayyyy more regionalized, with traditionally better programs than the recent edition of CUSA. Comparing the two is extremely shortsighted. SBC went with track record rather than market potential, unlike CUSA and what the AAC just seemingly did. The two are NOT ALIKE and will never be.

What’s shortsighted is to even pretend you’re on the same level as the MWC. You had a good thing going on with 10 schools. 14? Not so much. C-USA just got better in basketball and I can’t thank the AAC and Sun Belt enough for taking those anchors away from us. 04-cheers
The SBC got stronger regionally with their adds and will ultimately cost cut and save on travel. The goal was regionalization of like minded institutions, that will help build rivalries, rekindle existing ones, and charge overall fan engagement. That's where G5 needed to go. A lot of promising programs in that league, that should benefit from these moves. The thing now is for the SBC to keep a positive trajectory, and avoid complacency, while learning from other's mistakes. No reason why this can't be a premier G5 league, given the league's geographic footprint as far as recruiting goes . It'll just take continued and strategically placed commitments from the member schools on all fronts, while also increasing league standards and goals.
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 12:29 AM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-09-2021 12:05 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 10:31 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 10:22 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 10:09 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  The edge? The SBC is legit on the diamond sports but I get it. I disagree with you on football but by no means am I suggesting we blow the doors off the MW. I’m just answering the original threads question. The SBC will be pushing the MW as the top G5 conference and LaTech will not have the last laugh. I feel my point is valid and factual.

You just became the C-USA version of 2005-present. Too many schools cannibalizing each other in football and basketball. Only Old Dominion moves the needle in basketball from the new additions. Georgia State is the best basketball school you currently have, right? So I fail to see how those two schools will make it a two bid league in the short term and I frankly don’t see how the Sun Belt will push the MWC for the top spot in both revenue sports. Then there’s the AAC with their bigger budgets and better tv deal. Five years is a good barometer if we are right or wrong. You’ll be #3 at best which is not terrible by any means. You’ll have baseball and men’s soccer. I’ll give you that.
The SBC is wayyyy more regionalized, with traditionally better programs than the recent edition of CUSA. Comparing the two is extremely shortsighted. SBC went with track record rather than market potential, unlike CUSA and what the AAC just seemingly did. The two are NOT ALIKE and will never be.

What’s shortsighted is to even pretend you’re on the same level as the MWC. You had a good thing going on with 10 schools. 14? Not so much. C-USA just got better in basketball and I can’t thank the AAC and Sun Belt enough for taking those anchors away from us. 04-cheers
The SBC got stronger regionally with their adds and will ultimately cost cut and save on travel. The goal was regionalization of like minded institutions, that will help build rivalries, rekindle existing ones, and charge overall fan engagement. That's where G5 needed to go. A lot of promising programs in that league, that should benefit from these moves. The thing now is for the SBC to keep a positive trajectory, and avoid complacency, while learning from other's mistakes. No reason why this can't be a premier G5 league, given the league's geographic footprint as far as recruiting goes . It'll just take continued and strategically placed commitments from the member schools on all fronts, while also increasing league standards and goals.

We shall see. Just don’t hold your breath.

I love how the spin went from “we’re great at 10 and 14 is bad to we are still regionalized at 14 and we will be the premier G5” even though the conference footprint will stretch from Huntington, West Virginia to San Marcos, Texas.

Once again, thank you for taking the deadweight away from us.
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-08-2021 10:32 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  I think the Sunbelt and MWC are more similar.
Good regionalized conferences.

I think the AAC is more like the new C-USA.

I disagree.

The AAC took the most valuable teams and they just pledged to ramp up their financial commitments to the top of G5.

So, I'd put the AAC as 1, still. The last 10 years of AAC dominance in the NY6 wont go away overnight, even without the 3 Big 12 schools.

The AAC went to 14 teams in their war with the MWC - to cut them out of the Texas markets - and to insulate themselves from the Big 12 possibly poaching again.

Who wins the AAC-MWC war will likely depend on if the Big 12 expands again.

If the Big 12 takes Boise and 1 (or more) AAC teams, the AAC will probably be the strongest. It's possible the AAC would take Air Force and Colorado State in a miniature exodus like CUSA just had - due to Air Force wanting to be with Navy and the Texas schools.
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 01:01 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  We shall see. Just don’t hold your breath.

I love how the spin went from “we’re great at 10 and 14 is bad to we are still regionalized at 14 and we will be the premier G5” even though the conference footprint will stretch from Huntington, West Virginia to San Marcos, Texas.

Once again, thank you for taking the deadweight away from us.

Exactly. It's funny how that people changed their tune.

I'm curious to see how ODU fans will feel when they see CUSA with a much superior basketball product than the Sunbelt.

CUSA also gets a truckload of money.
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 01:01 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(11-09-2021 12:29 AM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-09-2021 12:05 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 10:31 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 10:22 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  You just became the C-USA version of 2005-present. Too many schools cannibalizing each other in football and basketball. Only Old Dominion moves the needle in basketball from the new additions. Georgia State is the best basketball school you currently have, right? So I fail to see how those two schools will make it a two bid league in the short term and I frankly don’t see how the Sun Belt will push the MWC for the top spot in both revenue sports. Then there’s the AAC with their bigger budgets and better tv deal. Five years is a good barometer if we are right or wrong. You’ll be #3 at best which is not terrible by any means. You’ll have baseball and men’s soccer. I’ll give you that.
The SBC is wayyyy more regionalized, with traditionally better programs than the recent edition of CUSA. Comparing the two is extremely shortsighted. SBC went with track record rather than market potential, unlike CUSA and what the AAC just seemingly did. The two are NOT ALIKE and will never be.

What’s shortsighted is to even pretend you’re on the same level as the MWC. You had a good thing going on with 10 schools. 14? Not so much. C-USA just got better in basketball and I can’t thank the AAC and Sun Belt enough for taking those anchors away from us. 04-cheers
The SBC got stronger regionally with their adds and will ultimately cost cut and save on travel. The goal was regionalization of like minded institutions, that will help build rivalries, rekindle existing ones, and charge overall fan engagement. That's where G5 needed to go. A lot of promising programs in that league, that should benefit from these moves. The thing now is for the SBC to keep a positive trajectory, and avoid complacency, while learning from other's mistakes. No reason why this can't be a premier G5 league, given the league's geographic footprint as far as recruiting goes . It'll just take continued and strategically placed commitments from the member schools on all fronts, while also increasing league standards and goals.

We shall see. Just don’t hold your breath.

I love how the spin went from “we’re great at 10 and 14 is bad to we are still regionalized at 14 and we will be the premier G5” even though the conference footprint will stretch from Huntington, West Virginia to San Marcos, Texas.

Once again, thank you for taking the deadweight away from us.
Well that would be why there are two divisions. Troy gets to move to the Western division and you won't see the West teams nearly as often, therefore it works...My goodness man, I really applaud your spin and optimism on this whole thing. Losing 9 teams...that was CUSA's "deadweight"??? Wow!! I think this league just had some major issues, myself. Good thing is everyone can hit reset, with new scenery.
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(11-09-2021 01:18 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(11-09-2021 01:01 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  We shall see. Just don’t hold your breath.

I love how the spin went from “we’re great at 10 and 14 is bad to we are still regionalized at 14 and we will be the premier G5” even though the conference footprint will stretch from Huntington, West Virginia to San Marcos, Texas.

Once again, thank you for taking the deadweight away from us.

Exactly. It's funny how that people changed their tune.

I'm curious to see how ODU fans will feel when they see CUSA with a much superior basketball product than the Sunbelt.

CUSA also gets a truckload of money.


If basketball strength was our primary concern, we would've closed the AAC deal. Really dunno what you two have against us


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Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 01:13 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 10:32 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  I think the Sunbelt and MWC are more similar.
Good regionalized conferences.

I think the AAC is more like the new C-USA.

I disagree.

The AAC took the most valuable teams and they just pledged to ramp up their financial commitments to the top of G5.

So, I'd put the AAC as 1, still. The last 10 years of AAC dominance in the NY6 wont go away overnight, even without the 3 Big 12 schools.

The AAC went to 14 teams in their war with the MWC - to cut them out of the Texas markets - and to insulate themselves from the Big 12 possibly poaching again.

Who wins the AAC-MWC war will likely depend on if the Big 12 expands again.

If the Big 12 takes Boise and 1 (or more) AAC teams, the AAC will probably be the strongest. It's possible the AAC would take Air Force and Colorado State in a miniature exodus like CUSA just had - due to Air Force wanting to be with Navy and the Texas schools.

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(11-08-2021 10:03 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  Exactly. I’m forecasting post realignment shuffle.
Football - SBC
Basketball (M&W) - MW
Baseball - SBC
Softball - SBC
Soccer - SBC

Am I missing something?

Yeah you're missing something.. none of us have invites and it's far from a done deal.
I wouldn't be assuming anyone is leaving until it's actually official.

You're going to be real disappointed when you realize this whole SBC dominance is so wrong. Even if the Big 12 gets us the AAC will just reload.

The food chain isn't changing.
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(11-09-2021 02:44 AM)grapes Wrote:  
(11-09-2021 01:13 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 10:32 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  I think the Sunbelt and MWC are more similar.
Good regionalized conferences.

I think the AAC is more like the new C-USA.

I disagree.

The AAC took the most valuable teams and they just pledged to ramp up their financial commitments to the top of G5.

So, I'd put the AAC as 1, still. The last 10 years of AAC dominance in the NY6 wont go away overnight, even without the 3 Big 12 schools.

The AAC went to 14 teams in their war with the MWC - to cut them out of the Texas markets - and to insulate themselves from the Big 12 possibly poaching again.

Who wins the AAC-MWC war will likely depend on if the Big 12 expands again.

If the Big 12 takes Boise and 1 (or more) AAC teams, the AAC will probably be the strongest. It's possible the AAC would take Air Force and Colorado State in a miniature exodus like CUSA just had - due to Air Force wanting to be with Navy and the Texas schools.

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(11-08-2021 10:03 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  Exactly. I’m forecasting post realignment shuffle.
Football - SBC
Basketball (M&W) - MW
Baseball - SBC
Softball - SBC
Soccer - SBC

Am I missing something?

Yeah you're missing something.. none of us have invites and it's far from a done deal.
I wouldn't be assuming anyone is leaving until it's actually official.

You're going to be real disappointed when you realize this whole SBC dominance is so wrong. Even if the Big 12 gets us the AAC will just reload.

The food chain isn't changing.
"reload" LOL...aka "product depreciation". Wasn't part of the reason for AAC taking 6, was to cover potential loss? Expanding after that would make little sense to me financially. Even if they were to expand... Unless the new AAC is just leaps and bounds better than the new SBC financially after the next several years, why would any SBC member leave a far more regionally friendly and stable conference? I guess they could just pick off CUSA...again. Liberty maybe??
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-08-2021 09:29 PM)roundsound Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:20 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:06 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Has the Sunbelt gotten too big (16 teams!!) and CUSA gotten more streamlined?

The new CUSA has a lot of potential, with WKU/MTSU & Liberty/NMSU. It will be a fun basketball conference and the smaller football conference should be good for football.

IMO, the Sunbelt worked because it stayed at 10 football playing members. I'm not convinced that the league will still work at 14 FB - 16 total.

CUSA needed to get smaller, and bring in new programs with upside. It did that.

So, is it possible that Louisiana Tech will get the last laugh by collecting the exit fees AND being in the more accomplished league?
Little Rock and UTA will be exiting the SBC by 2023. The SBC will be a tight 14 team all sports conference.

To answer your question-no. The SBC will be pushing the MW as the top G5 conference.

Where are Little Rock and UTA going?


Meh. It's not the Suck Belt's concern. If either school had to drop basketball down to Division II, III, or NAIA, there would be no remorse from the Belch.
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(11-08-2021 10:09 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:48 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:20 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:06 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Has the Sunbelt gotten too big (16 teams!!) and CUSA gotten more streamlined?

The new CUSA has a lot of potential, with WKU/MTSU & Liberty/NMSU. It will be a fun basketball conference and the smaller football conference should be good for football.

IMO, the Sunbelt worked because it stayed at 10 football playing members. I'm not convinced that the league will still work at 14 FB - 16 total.

CUSA needed to get smaller, and bring in new programs with upside. It did that.

So, is it possible that Louisiana Tech will get the last laugh by collecting the exit fees AND being in the more accomplished league?
Little Rock and UTA will be exiting the SBC by 2023. The SBC will be a tight 14 team all sports conference.

To answer your question-no. The SBC will be pushing the MW as the top G5 conference.

No, you won’t. The MWC and the AAC are still the top G5 conferences. The Sun Belt is not even close in basketball to either league. For every UTSA and San Jose State, there’s a San Diego State, UNLV, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah State, Memphis, SMU, Temple, Wichita State, Tulsa and UAB. The Sun Belt lacks a similar lineup at the top and has lots of San José State and UTSA level basketball programs.
The SBC should be in contention for the G5's NY6 bid yearly after all the transitions. AAC and MWC are both 2 bid leagues in basketball, they aren't the Big East in basketball. That's attainable as well for the SBC with more commitment to basketball. SBC will be good in baseball, softball, and soccer as well.

Contention as long as you're playing weak teams like Kansas and UMass. That helps. Playing someone with a pulse would likely remove most Belch teams from contention. I'll still put my money on the Mountain West and AAC for a little while after all the transitions.
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 12:11 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 10:32 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  I think the Sunbelt and MWC are more similar.
Good regionalized conferences.

I think the AAC is more like the new C-USA.

That’s where the similarities start and end. The MWC has better academics, has better football and basketball facilities, bigger budgets, better attendance especially in basketball, more tradition in football and basketball, more NCAA tournament appearances, they’re mostly the only game in town and don’t have any G5 competition in their region.

The AAC made the same mistake C-USA did a decade ago in chasing big tv markets. Will it work this time? Only time will tell.

For Sure. The Sunbelt is a joke compared to the MWC.
There is no doubt the MWC is the true P6 conference now.

And the MWC has some excellent basketball with really good attendance.
Just look at these attendance numbers. I really thought ULM would have the worst attendance in the Sunbelt but I was wrong These Sunbelt numbers are ugly really ugly

San Diego State 11,668
NM 10,992
Nevada 8,721
Utah State 8,671


App State 1,685
Arkansas St 1,506
ULM 1,993
Georgia Southern 1,497
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(11-08-2021 09:35 PM)deb025 Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:29 PM)roundsound Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:20 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:06 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Has the Sunbelt gotten too big (16 teams!!) and CUSA gotten more streamlined?

The new CUSA has a lot of potential, with WKU/MTSU & Liberty/NMSU. It will be a fun basketball conference and the smaller football conference should be good for football.

IMO, the Sunbelt worked because it stayed at 10 football playing members. I'm not convinced that the league will still work at 14 FB - 16 total.

CUSA needed to get smaller, and bring in new programs with upside. It did that.

So, is it possible that Louisiana Tech will get the last laugh by collecting the exit fees AND being in the more accomplished league?
Little Rock and UTA will be exiting the SBC by 2023. The SBC will be a tight 14 team all sports conference.

To answer your question-no. The SBC will be pushing the MW as the top G5 conference.

Where are Little Rock and UTA going?

They want to kick them out, just like they did Idaho and New Mexico St.
That's how evil their conference is, but they act like their some kind of saints.
Karma will rear it's ugly head soon. They have no idea what they've invited into their home with these new adds.

No, you stupid La Tech idiot. You clowns are the most ignorant effers of any fanbase on this planet. NMSU and Idaho agreed to the opt out when they joined for football. So STFU.
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 05:03 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:35 PM)deb025 Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:29 PM)roundsound Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:20 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:06 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Has the Sunbelt gotten too big (16 teams!!) and CUSA gotten more streamlined?

The new CUSA has a lot of potential, with WKU/MTSU & Liberty/NMSU. It will be a fun basketball conference and the smaller football conference should be good for football.

IMO, the Sunbelt worked because it stayed at 10 football playing members. I'm not convinced that the league will still work at 14 FB - 16 total.

CUSA needed to get smaller, and bring in new programs with upside. It did that.

So, is it possible that Louisiana Tech will get the last laugh by collecting the exit fees AND being in the more accomplished league?
Little Rock and UTA will be exiting the SBC by 2023. The SBC will be a tight 14 team all sports conference.

To answer your question-no. The SBC will be pushing the MW as the top G5 conference.

Where are Little Rock and UTA going?

They want to kick them out, just like they did Idaho and New Mexico St.
That's how evil their conference is, but they act like their some kind of saints.
Karma will rear it's ugly head soon. They have no idea what they've invited into their home with these new adds.

No, you stupid La Tech idiot. You clowns are the most ignorant effers of any fanbase on this planet. NMSU and Idaho agreed to the opt out when they joined for football. So STFU.

They agreed to it because the Belch planned to kick them out either way--with or without a contract--and they figured some years was better than no years in a league even if it was led by the man, who single-handedly destroyed their home in the Western Athletic Conference.

You come to OUR forum with that attitude? You'd think a fan of a school with the nation's longest losing streak would be more humble.
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(11-08-2021 09:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  I think the AAC is the new CUSA. Way spread out, nothing to tie The schools together other than wanting to be in a P conference. The SB is basically 2 leagues in one with both being reasonably compact and teams playing schools their fan bases have heard of. The SB is also on the rise and has momentum now. At this moment it has more top 25 teams than any G5. CUSA is on the verge of having a good basketball league, but IMO has made their footprint worse. It’s basically several pods of 2 or 3 teams. Lynchburg to Miami to Texas and New Mexico is just unsustainable. It works while it has to, but just like CUSA 3.0, nobody is going to want to be there long. Especially the teams on the fringe. The only teams that have it better are the new members and UTEP.

Lynchburg to New Mexico is a long flight, but with divisional play, they'll probably only make one flight to UTEP or NMSU every other year.

The MWC teams play Hawaii every year (6,000 mile+ round trip). Temple, USF, and ECU fly to Wichita State and San Antonio. Navy (Annapolis, MD) has played and will play their divisional games in Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana. The Big East added Creighton

Having said that, it will probably become a high priority to add 1-3 more schools , perhaps including UMass/UConn FB or NDSU/SDSU to generate increased viewership so they can negotiate a better broadcasting deal.

If all the other G5 conferences are able to earn $2.5 M or more/yr, it's hard to think of a reason why the CUSA shouldn't be able to earn close to that amount.

$2.5 M is "what the market will (currently) bear."
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 05:22 AM)All4One Wrote:  You come to OUR forum with that attitude?

I’m sorry but I have to call out major bs.

You are the one who constantly whines about how the SBC was made a ‘safe space’ yet you are demanding the same thing happen here?

You cannot create a higher level of hypocrisy than that. Unreal.
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 12:29 AM)TealNation Wrote:  
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(11-08-2021 10:31 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
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(11-08-2021 10:09 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  The edge? The SBC is legit on the diamond sports but I get it. I disagree with you on football but by no means am I suggesting we blow the doors off the MW. I’m just answering the original threads question. The SBC will be pushing the MW as the top G5 conference and LaTech will not have the last laugh. I feel my point is valid and factual.

You just became the C-USA version of 2005-present. Too many schools cannibalizing each other in football and basketball. Only Old Dominion moves the needle in basketball from the new additions. Georgia State is the best basketball school you currently have, right? So I fail to see how those two schools will make it a two bid league in the short term and I frankly don’t see how the Sun Belt will push the MWC for the top spot in both revenue sports. Then there’s the AAC with their bigger budgets and better tv deal. Five years is a good barometer if we are right or wrong. You’ll be #3 at best which is not terrible by any means. You’ll have baseball and men’s soccer. I’ll give you that.
The SBC is wayyyy more regionalized, with traditionally better programs than the recent edition of CUSA. Comparing the two is extremely shortsighted. SBC went with track record rather than market potential, unlike CUSA and what the AAC just seemingly did. The two are NOT ALIKE and will never be.

What’s shortsighted is to even pretend you’re on the same level as the MWC. You had a good thing going on with 10 schools. 14? Not so much. C-USA just got better in basketball and I can’t thank the AAC and Sun Belt enough for taking those anchors away from us. 04-cheers
The SBC got stronger regionally with their adds and will ultimately cost cut and save on travel. The goal was regionalization of like minded institutions, that will help build rivalries, rekindle existing ones, and charge overall fan engagement. That's where G5 needed to go. A lot of promising programs in that league, that should benefit from these moves. The thing now is for the SBC to keep a positive trajectory, and avoid complacency, while learning from other's mistakes. No reason why this can't be a premier G5 league, given the league's geographic footprint as far as recruiting goes . It'll just take continued and strategically placed commitments from the member schools on all fronts, while also increasing league standards and goals.

Stronger, not sure. Like mind, yes.
Regionalization, to a degree yes. Still a long ways from ODU and Marshall to TX and LA.
Did the schools added finally admit they have plateaued and are content with being a part of the Southern MAC?
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-08-2021 09:50 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
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(11-08-2021 09:06 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Has the Sunbelt gotten too big (16 teams!!) and CUSA gotten more streamlined?

The new CUSA has a lot of potential, with WKU/MTSU & Liberty/NMSU. It will be a fun basketball conference and the smaller football conference should be good for football.

IMO, the Sunbelt worked because it stayed at 10 football playing members. I'm not convinced that the league will still work at 14 FB - 16 total.

CUSA needed to get smaller, and bring in new programs with upside. It did that.

So, is it possible that Louisiana Tech will get the last laugh by collecting the exit fees AND being in the more accomplished league?
Little Rock and UTA will be exiting the SBC by 2023. The SBC will be a tight 14 team all sports conference.

To answer your question-no. The SBC will be pushing the MW as the top G5 conference.

Where are Little Rock and UTA going?

UTA can go to the WAC with the other Texas schools. Don’t know about Little Rock though.

I don't think the WAC would want to take on another non-football school. The WAC will sit at 13 members when they add Incarnate Word and McNeese State to replace Sam Houston State and New Mexico State. They will probably fill the 14th spot with another football playing schools. I suspect UTA and UALR will find a home in the Summit League.

My Guess is we will wind up in the southland or the WAC if they give up their FBS aspirations. I don't think the Summit wants us
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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 06:29 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  
(11-09-2021 05:22 AM)All4One Wrote:  You come to OUR forum with that attitude?

I’m sorry but I have to call out major bs.

You are the one who constantly whines about how the SBC was made a ‘safe space’ yet you are demanding the same thing happen here?

You cannot create a higher level of hypocrisy than that. Unreal.



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RE: Is the New Smaller CUSA like the Old Sunbelt; and the New Sunbelt like the Old CUSA?
(11-09-2021 05:03 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:35 PM)deb025 Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:29 PM)roundsound Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:20 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  
(11-08-2021 09:06 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Has the Sunbelt gotten too big (16 teams!!) and CUSA gotten more streamlined?

The new CUSA has a lot of potential, with WKU/MTSU & Liberty/NMSU. It will be a fun basketball conference and the smaller football conference should be good for football.

IMO, the Sunbelt worked because it stayed at 10 football playing members. I'm not convinced that the league will still work at 14 FB - 16 total.

CUSA needed to get smaller, and bring in new programs with upside. It did that.

So, is it possible that Louisiana Tech will get the last laugh by collecting the exit fees AND being in the more accomplished league?
Little Rock and UTA will be exiting the SBC by 2023. The SBC will be a tight 14 team all sports conference.

To answer your question-no. The SBC will be pushing the MW as the top G5 conference.

Where are Little Rock and UTA going?

They want to kick them out, just like they did Idaho and New Mexico St.
That's how evil their conference is, but they act like their some kind of saints.
Karma will rear it's ugly head soon. They have no idea what they've invited into their home with these new adds.

No, you stupid La Tech idiot. You clowns are the most ignorant effers of any fanbase on this planet. NMSU and Idaho agreed to the opt out when they joined for football. So STFU.

Completely over the top and unnecessary post.

My grandfather once told me, "...when a man talks like that, he has nothing to say."
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