(11-08-2021 04:09 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 04:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 03:35 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  Well, with this whole NCAA stepping back and letting schools decide more, couldn’t Aresco and the presidents of AAC schools just declare themselves an autonomy conference? Or will that even be a thing with these changes?

They can’t declare themselves autonomous. It has to be voted on and approved by the autonomous conferences to make another conference autonomous.


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I understand in the current form how that works but all the entire headlines claim the NCAA is proposing to give schools autonomy and taking a step back from governing. It appears, to me at least, with their mention of budgets ranging from the hundreds of millions to $4 million in D1 alone, that this could be an outcome. But it also seems worded like every conference might could gain some form of autonomy, so that’s why I wasn’t sure if “autonomy” conferences will even be a thing

The conferences will have more autonomy but they won’t have the same power as the “autonomous” conferences who for all intents and purposes are NOT members of the NCAA. They only agree to follow their rules for the sake of college football, although that is getting close to changing.


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(11-08-2021 03:01 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:55 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:47 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Good thing the Big 12 was granted autonomy.


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Yup! That gives them two votes so they only lose 8-7 when the P4 votes to carve out #DivisionZero

If anything this indicates there wont be a P4, it will stay a P5. And even besides the point power conference and autonomous conference are two completely different things. Technically none of the power 5 conference have to abide by any NCAA rule as they are no longer apart of the NCAA due to autonomy.

The power designation simply has to do with bowl tie ins. As long as the Big 12 has the sugar bowl its a P5. But it will always be autonomous as autonomous status CANNOT bee removed once granted.


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Hey Attack, can we get your measured analysis on this before the thread spirals into a bad take fest.

(11-08-2021 04:22 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 03:01 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:55 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:47 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Good thing the Big 12 was granted autonomy.


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Yup! That gives them two votes so they only lose 8-7 when the P4 votes to carve out #DivisionZero

If anything this indicates there wont be a P4, it will stay a P5. And even besides the point power conference and autonomous conference are two completely different things. Technically none of the power 5 conference have to abide by any NCAA rule as they are no longer apart of the NCAA due to autonomy.

The power designation simply has to do with bowl tie ins. As long as the Big 12 has the sugar bowl its a P5. But it will always be autonomous as autonomous status CANNOT bee removed once granted.


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Lol hate it all you want but it’s true. It was designed to ensure that conferences like the AAC could never rise to a level to compete with the P5. It was also designed to ensure that a weak P5 conference couldn’t be destroyed like the Big East was.


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What I take from it is the NCAA is stepping back and telling the schools(all schools) that they control themselves. If you are in a conference, the conference gets to set the rules that it’s schools will play under, and thus control those schools. It will be the conferences responsibility to govern member schools, not the NCAA. So I don’t expect there to be probations and penalties handed down by the NCAA. So now all conferences are autonomous, make your own rules and play under those rules.

(11-08-2021 04:25 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Hey Attack, can we get your measured analysis on this before the thread spirals into a bad take fest.

Yeah, the article doesn’t really say a whole lot. I think we are going to have to have someone appointed as a Commissioner for FBS, or some entity to oversee things. Hope it’s not the CFP committee. Keep that separate. They have enough issues with that.

(11-08-2021 05:34 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 04:25 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Hey Attack, can we get your measured analysis on this before the thread spirals into a bad take fest.

Yeah, the article doesn’t really say a whole lot. I think we are going to have to have someone appointed as a Commissioner for FBS, or some entity to oversee things. Hope it’s not the CFP committee. Keep that separate.

I completely agree. Hopefully keep the fox from guarding the hen house and such.

(11-08-2021 02:58 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:52 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:47 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Good thing the Big 12 was granted autonomy.


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Yes but is that enough to keep up with the other Autonomous conferences ?

I mean does it matter? Once your autonomous you can’t be kicked out. So wether we can keep up will be up to the individual schools.


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That's what the BIG EAST thought!

(11-08-2021 05:34 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 04:25 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Hey Attack, can we get your measured analysis on this before the thread spirals into a bad take fest.

Yeah, the article doesn’t really say a whole lot. I think we are going to have to have someone appointed as a Commissioner for FBS, or some entity to oversee things. Hope it’s not the CFP committee. Keep that separate. They have enough issues with that.

Like the CFP Comity?

(11-08-2021 05:46 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:58 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:52 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:47 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Good thing the Big 12 was granted autonomy.


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Yes but is that enough to keep up with the other Autonomous conferences ?

I mean does it matter? Once your autonomous you can’t be kicked out. So wether we can keep up will be up to the individual schools.


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That's what the BIG EAST thought!

Except the big east wasn’t autonomous so…


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(11-08-2021 05:34 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 04:25 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Hey Attack, can we get your measured analysis on this before the thread spirals into a bad take fest.

Yeah, the article doesn’t really say a whole lot. I think we are going to have to have someone appointed as a Commissioner for FBS, or some entity to oversee things. Hope it’s not the CFP committee. Keep that separate. They have enough issues with that.

Hmm an entity to oversee things… so the ncaa… and how would you make the P5 conferences accept this power?


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Cool!
Can we start paying players like salaries with benefits?

(11-08-2021 06:02 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 05:46 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:58 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:52 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:47 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Good thing the Big 12 was granted autonomy.


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Yes but is that enough to keep up with the other Autonomous conferences ?

I mean does it matter? Once your autonomous you can’t be kicked out. So wether we can keep up will be up to the individual schools.


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That's what the BIG EAST thought!

Except the big east wasn’t autonomous so…


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They were BCS, autonomy didn't exist till the p5 made it up.

This is all bull****, as is the autonomy can only blah blah blah.

By court order all conferences will be Autonomous, also the next playoff will not include the p5 getting a double vote and ND getting their own vote.

All of that is over, it was permitted under the NCAA, but a court has ruled that was a monopoly. The end result of that ruling is that conferences will govern and set their own rules within the conference and compete with each other as seperate entities outside of it. The next play off will legally be required to be a fair contract with equal voting by participants. Anything else will go to court and come back with some serious hurt on those trying it.

Just another reason why I am trying to patiently wait for the actual numbers on the three schools joining the B12 and the Rutgers like financials of it. Too many people are pretending its business as usual and the actual legal.situation is that the monopoly is over and the competition has begun. Some have head starts but the playing field is now even.

(11-08-2021 06:31 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 06:02 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 05:46 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:58 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:52 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Yes but is that enough to keep up with the other Autonomous conferences ?

I mean does it matter? Once your autonomous you can’t be kicked out. So wether we can keep up will be up to the individual schools.


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That's what the BIG EAST thought!

Except the big east wasn’t autonomous so…


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They were BCS, autonomy didn't exist till the p5 made it up.

Exactly that’s my point… and autonomy isn’t made up. It’s a change to the NCAA constitution granting the P5 conference autonomy from the NCAA rules. The reason autonomy came about was because the P5 was prepared to break away in 2013. When the autonomous status was negotiated as a compromise to keep college football intact while giving the P5 all the benefits of breaking away. Part of that compromise was that the P5 would continue to follow the rules of the NCAA when for all intents and purposes the P5 is no longer part of the NCAA.

Power status = bowl tie ins, i.e. rebranded BCS status

Autonomous status = break away status of while still operating under the umbrella of the NCAA for as long as the P5 is willing.


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My God, forwverandeverandever is still doing it.

(11-08-2021 06:37 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  This is all bull****, as is the autonomy can only blah blah blah.

By court order all conferences will be Autonomous, also the next playoff will not include the p5 getting a double vote and ND getting their own vote.

All of that is over, it was permitted under the NCAA, but a court has ruled that was a monopoly. The end result of that ruling is that conferences will govern and set their own rules within the conference and compete with each other as seperate entities outside of it. The next play off will legally be required to be a fair contract with equal voting by participants. Anything else will go to court and come back with some serious hurt on those trying it.

Just another reason why I am trying to patiently wait for the actual numbers on the three schools joining the B12 and the Rutgers like financials of it. Too many people are pretending its business as usual and the actual legal.situation is that the monopoly is over and the competition has begun. Some have head starts but the playing field is now even.

Where was the court ruling that the next playoff had to legally be required to be a fair contract? And a court ruling only goes so far as who has the most money. Whoever has more money will get the ruling they want.

You cant force the P5 to have a playoff to include the G5. Just as you can’t force the playoff to include FCS.


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(11-08-2021 06:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  My God, forwverandeverandever is still doing it.

Lol what’s that?


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(11-08-2021 06:03 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 05:34 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 04:25 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Hey Attack, can we get your measured analysis on this before the thread spirals into a bad take fest.

Yeah, the article doesn’t really say a whole lot. I think we are going to have to have someone appointed as a Commissioner for FBS, or some entity to oversee things. Hope it’s not the CFP committee. Keep that separate. They have enough issues with that.

Hmm an entity to oversee things… so the ncaa… and how would you make the P5 conferences accept this power?


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What are you talking about? You have to have someone in charge of everything. The NCAA is stepping away. All the conferences need to agree on it of course. But somebody needs to be at the helm, overseeing things, like all professional sports. They all have commissioners.

(11-08-2021 06:42 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 06:03 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 05:34 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 04:25 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Hey Attack, can we get your measured analysis on this before the thread spirals into a bad take fest.

Yeah, the article doesn’t really say a whole lot. I think we are going to have to have someone appointed as a Commissioner for FBS, or some entity to oversee things. Hope it’s not the CFP committee. Keep that separate. They have enough issues with that.

Hmm an entity to oversee things… so the ncaa… and how would you make the P5 conferences accept this power?


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What are you talking about? You have to have someone in charge of everything. The NCAA is stepping away. All the conferences need to agree on it of course. But somebody needs to be at the helm, overseeing things, like all professional sports. They all have commissioners.

Your missing my point. The NCAA existed to do exactly what you stated, govern all of college sports. In the end the NCAA failed spectacularly. So what would make a new organization any different and just how would you force people to recognize that authority?


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