(11-09-2021 12:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:19 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:14 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:02 PM)Cinciflame Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:02 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  JMU will learn this is not FCS

Let’s see if JMU can recruit high school kids and not lean so heavily on transfers that didn’t have to sit out a year by going to an FCS school. Jacksonville State will have to deal with the same issue.

Is JMU that transfer dependent? Admittedly i haven't paid attention but i don't think i've heard that to be the case.

Not at all.

not in the least bit.

it's one of the big three myths spread constantly about JMU

1) We rely on student fees
2) we rely on transfers
3) we only won when everyone else left FCS

You only had one previous NC and at best semi-final appearance before the first realignment. That would got an App, NDSU, or GS coach fired in the FCS. You did not make it back to the championship until after the second realignment. I really dont think with GS and App both in the SoCon still you have the second NC. One of us would have likely beaten you. Just my opinion. App was 12-4 and we were 7-1 against you.

Also in regards to budget football in a G5 football league is the major funding and revenue concern. Yes, basketball matters but a distant second in a one-bid league. I also noticed a few more women's sports JMU sponsors than we do. Two full programs are a decent amount in the budget comparison.

(11-09-2021 01:32 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:19 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:14 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  Is JMU that transfer dependent? Admittedly i haven't paid attention but i don't think i've heard that to be the case.

Not at all.

not in the least bit.

it's one of the big three myths spread constantly about JMU

1) We rely on student fees
2) we rely on transfers
3) we only won when everyone else left FCS

Uh…..you very much do rely on student fees.

What's funny about this is it begs the question - why does anyone really care? We'll be in line with the Cox Bill soon....

Overall, JMU is still a very reasonably priced education, luxury food for little, and inexpensive housing - between tuition, housing, plus fees, it's a still a relative bargain

It only matters in your competitiveness. Fact is JMU has about exhausted the amount they can allocate from students and will see a significant increase in expenses

(11-09-2021 02:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:32 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:19 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Not at all.

not in the least bit.

it's one of the big three myths spread constantly about JMU

1) We rely on student fees
2) we rely on transfers
3) we only won when everyone else left FCS

Uh…..you very much do rely on student fees.

What's funny about this is it begs the question - why does anyone really care? We'll be in line with the Cox Bill soon....

Overall, JMU is still a very reasonably priced education, luxury food for little, and inexpensive housing - between tuition, housing, plus fees, it's a still a relative bargain

It only matters in your competitiveness. Fact is JMU has about exhausted the amount they can allocate from students and will see a significant increase in expenses

JMU getting off the student crutch has been a long time coming. They were directed by the state to grow and after the expense of doubling in size it's time to address the student fee reliance and meager endowment. We've got plenty of alumni base to tap, FBS is the primer.

(11-09-2021 02:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:32 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:19 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Not at all.

not in the least bit.

it's one of the big three myths spread constantly about JMU

1) We rely on student fees
2) we rely on transfers
3) we only won when everyone else left FCS

Uh…..you very much do rely on student fees.

What's funny about this is it begs the question - why does anyone really care? We'll be in line with the Cox Bill soon....

Overall, JMU is still a very reasonably priced education, luxury food for little, and inexpensive housing - between tuition, housing, plus fees, it's a still a relative bargain

It only matters in your competitiveness. Fact is JMU has about exhausted the amount they can allocate from students and will see a significant increase in expenses

Are we talking 'competitive' for getting in-state students? If so, we're less expensive than most in state, and we don't tend to compete for students with schools below us on cost (zing When we look at total costs, it's boggling that anyone cares about what portion of the cost is tagged as 'student fees' versus some other line item.

WnM - $23,628
UVA - $17,798
VCU - $14,596
Tech - $13,691
Mason - $12,564
JMU - $12,206
ODU - $10,680

(11-08-2021 09:35 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  JMU’s move up is for FBS football. All other sports are already at the highest level and funded better than the Sun Belt.
As a FCS program, the football budget is already higher than 70% of the Sun Belt. Estimates indicate it will take an additional $5 million annually to fully fund a FBS football team. After 2 years of transition, JMU will have the highest football budget and highest overall budget in the Sun Belt.

You have offered conference membership to the 1,000 lb gorilla. The good programs will like the ramped up competition. The bottom feeders of the Sun Belt are not going to like getting beat a lot by the new kid on the block.
A big budget isn’t the only thing that determines success, but over time the programs that are literally funded at half the amount of JMU are at a huge disadvantage.

This isn't the MAC of 1997 and you aren't the undefeated Marshall 1996 I-AA team either. I'm excited for ya'll to join, and look forward to developing a rivalry with ya'll. But to act like you are going to come into the Sun Belt, especially the east division with so many strong football programs, and be the 1,000 lb gorilla is not going to happen. For every Marshall, Boise St. and App St. that make the jump and are quickly successful, there are many, many more who really struggle right off the bat. Some grown and become ok/decent (FAU) while others never lift themselves off of the ground really (FIU). You've had great success at the FCS level, and that's great. But FBS is a different beast all together. As you will soon find out.

(11-09-2021 02:16 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 02:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:32 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  not in the least bit.

it's one of the big three myths spread constantly about JMU

1) We rely on student fees
2) we rely on transfers
3) we only won when everyone else left FCS

Uh…..you very much do rely on student fees.

What's funny about this is it begs the question - why does anyone really care? We'll be in line with the Cox Bill soon....

Overall, JMU is still a very reasonably priced education, luxury food for little, and inexpensive housing - between tuition, housing, plus fees, it's a still a relative bargain

It only matters in your competitiveness. Fact is JMU has about exhausted the amount they can allocate from students and will see a significant increase in expenses

Are we talking 'competitive' for getting in-state students? If so, we're less expensive than most in state, and we don't tend to compete for students with schools below us on cost (zing When we look at total costs, it's boggling that anyone cares about what portion of the cost is tagged as 'student fees' versus some other line item.

WnM - $23,628
UVA - $17,798
VCU - $14,596
Tech - $13,691
Mason - $12,564
JMU - $12,206
ODU - $10,680

No we’re talking about being competitive in athletics.

(11-09-2021 01:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:19 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:14 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:02 PM)Cinciflame Wrote:  Let’s see if JMU can recruit high school kids and not lean so heavily on transfers that didn’t have to sit out a year by going to an FCS school. Jacksonville State will have to deal with the same issue.

Is JMU that transfer dependent? Admittedly i haven't paid attention but i don't think i've heard that to be the case.

Not at all.

not in the least bit.

it's one of the big three myths spread constantly about JMU

1) We rely on student fees
2) we rely on transfers
3) we only won when everyone else left FCS

Uh…..you very much do rely on student fees.

I mean, so does everyone else here right? I think the better wording for the "myth" would be that JMU relies on student fees to the point that it'll keep us from going FBS.

(11-09-2021 02:16 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 02:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:32 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  not in the least bit.

it's one of the big three myths spread constantly about JMU

1) We rely on student fees
2) we rely on transfers
3) we only won when everyone else left FCS

Uh…..you very much do rely on student fees.

What's funny about this is it begs the question - why does anyone really care? We'll be in line with the Cox Bill soon....

Overall, JMU is still a very reasonably priced education, luxury food for little, and inexpensive housing - between tuition, housing, plus fees, it's a still a relative bargain

It only matters in your competitiveness. Fact is JMU has about exhausted the amount they can allocate from students and will see a significant increase in expenses

Are we talking 'competitive' for getting in-state students? If so, we're less expensive than most in state, and we don't tend to compete for students with schools below us on cost (zing When we look at total costs, it's boggling that anyone cares about what portion of the cost is tagged as 'student fees' versus some other line item.

WnM - $23,628
UVA - $17,798
VCU - $14,596
Tech - $13,691
Mason - $12,564
JMU - $12,206
ODU - $10,680

I have always said this. All anyone looks at (or cares about) is the total cost to attend, not what portion is fees vs. tuition, etc.

(11-08-2021 09:35 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  * JMU’s move up is for FBS football. All other sports are already at the highest level and funded better than the Sun Belt.

* As a FCS program, the football budget is already higher than 70% of the Sun Belt.

* After 2 years of transition, JMU will have the highest football budget and highest overall budget in the Sun Belt.

* You have offered conference membership to the 1,000 lb gorilla.

* The good programs will like the ramped up competition. The bottom feeders of the Sun Belt are not going to like getting beat a lot by the new kid on the block.

* A big budget isn’t the only thing that determines success, but over time the programs that are literally funded at half the amount of JMU are at a huge disadvantage.

Can't wait for everyone to collectively introduce JMU to the SBC...

Everyone, bookmark this post.

(11-09-2021 04:31 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 09:35 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  * JMU’s move up is for FBS football. All other sports are already at the highest level and funded better than the Sun Belt.

* As a FCS program, the football budget is already higher than 70% of the Sun Belt.

* After 2 years of transition, JMU will have the highest football budget and highest overall budget in the Sun Belt.

* You have offered conference membership to the 1,000 lb gorilla.

* The good programs will like the ramped up competition. The bottom feeders of the Sun Belt are not going to like getting beat a lot by the new kid on the block.

* A big budget isn’t the only thing that determines success, but over time the programs that are literally funded at half the amount of JMU are at a huge disadvantage.

Can't wait for everyone to collectively introduce JMU to the SBC...

Everyone, bookmark this post.

Remember we won the conference year one lol. But yes there will be a day JMU gets served humble pie. It will not take but one bad coaching hire.

I am just glad they are coming in hotter that GS fans with a third of the FCS accomplishment. Your last NC is invalid without App or GS in the FCS

(11-09-2021 03:34 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:19 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:14 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  Is JMU that transfer dependent? Admittedly i haven't paid attention but i don't think i've heard that to be the case.

Not at all.

not in the least bit.

it's one of the big three myths spread constantly about JMU

1) We rely on student fees
2) we rely on transfers
3) we only won when everyone else left FCS

Uh…..you very much do rely on student fees.

I mean, so does everyone else here right? I think the better wording for the "myth" would be that JMU relies on student fees to the point that it'll keep us from going FBS.

Not necessarily. I have not looked at the latest numbers for this fiscal year but in FY 19-20, Louisiana and ULM had only 2% of our athletics budgets supplemented by student fees. Now our general fund money was around 50% in that fiscal year, but our budgets do not rely on student fees.

??

Man, I sure as hell don’t miss JMU fans from our FCS days. Seems some things never change.

(11-09-2021 06:04 PM)mr.chainsaw Wrote:  ??

Man, I sure as hell don’t miss JMU fans from our FCS days. Seems some things never change.

GS nor App had much trouble with them. App played them way more than GS you probably have more history. I really don't remember them on the AGS board.

(11-07-2021 11:21 PM)ThunderDent Wrote:  Where we are, where the competition is, and where we need to go.
We definitely need to step up all of our facilities, budgets, and on field results. It will take all of us to make the new SBC home we have now grow and be the league it’s certainly capable of being on and off the field/court.






1- JMU ($58M)
2- ODU ($49M)
3- Coastal ($42M)
4- Texas St ($32M)
5- AState ($36M)
6- App St ($35M)
7- Marshall ($32M)
8- Georgia St ($32M)
9- Louisiana ($30M)
10- GS ($29M)
11- South ($28M)
12- Troy ($27M)
13- Southern Miss ($25M)
14- ULM ($15M)
—- UT-A ($14M)
—- A-LR ($11M)

For future reference:
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ECU ($56M)
USF ($59M)
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I think we need to up all of our budgets, but obviously JMU and ODU are already tops in the league. We should set a goal of every member getting to the $50-60M minimum in the next 5 years, IMO.

How do you all feel the disparity in budgets will play out?
If at all? Commitment?

I’m going to go out on a limb and say what your expenditures are is your budget. Not rev.

(11-09-2021 05:18 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 03:34 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:19 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Not at all.

not in the least bit.

it's one of the big three myths spread constantly about JMU

1) We rely on student fees
2) we rely on transfers
3) we only won when everyone else left FCS

Uh…..you very much do rely on student fees.

I mean, so does everyone else here right? I think the better wording for the "myth" would be that JMU relies on student fees to the point that it'll keep us from going FBS.

Not necessarily. I have not looked at the latest numbers for this fiscal year but in FY 19-20, Louisiana and ULM had only 2% of our athletics budgets supplemented by student fees. Now our general fund money was around 50% in that fiscal year, but our budgets do not rely on student fees.

This is the issue. State schools can call it whatever they want (student fees, school funds, whatever) but the majority of that money is from students, with the rest mostly being taxpayers. The fact remains that outside of the top few schools like Texas and Michigan, all run at a deficit and many FBS schools such as Univ Southern Florida run over 60% subsidized.

(11-09-2021 07:10 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I’m going to go out on a limb and say what your expenditures are is your budget. Not rev.

Tuition, student fees, government subsidies, donations, ticket sales, sponsorships, media contracts, etc are all revenue. Students are customers paying for a service (which includes athletics). For non-profit schools like state universities, revenue should basically equal expenses (budget) so six one way, half dozen the other.