(11-14-2021 09:04 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  In other words, Aranda didn't need to take the timeout.

He realized that he shouldn't have done it, and he had to make up something on the spot. At least he was creative.

Quote:My daughter was embarrassed she went on the field twice, but she wasn't alone. The students won't get in trouble, but Baylor is going to get a hefty fine from the Big 12 office.

Which Baylor will gladly pay.

When the fans charged the field, the officials should simply have ended the game. They have the power to do that. Nothing was going to happen in 3 seconds to make a difference, and there was a legitimate safety issue.

(11-13-2021 09:27 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Too bad the Owls play Texas in Sept and not Nov.

UT looks like a totally different team pre- and post-half time at the Red River Shootout.

Bonus points for using this analogy regarding UT football by the Chronicle writer.

That’s the bizarre realm Texas has occupied for more than a month now. It’s become the Schrödinger's cat of college football teams, one capable of anything and everything until you unseal the box and peek inside.

(11-14-2021 09:04 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(11-13-2021 06:49 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Baylor beats OU 27-14 in a game that their students (including my daughter) rushed the field twice. Apparently, BU calls timeout with 3 seconds left and no one realized it right away so they rushed the field. After they finally cleared the field, Baylor attempts a field goal (which they claim they had to do because it was the 3rd tie-breaker in case the conference has multiple two loss teams). After they made the FG, they rushed the field a second time.

OU was pissed but who cares. I would like to know what the 1st two tie-breakers are, and if the 3rd tie-breaker would actually come into play.

UTSA holds off an upset-minded (and QB injury-depleted) USM team. They are now just 1 of 3 undefeated teams, but barely beating a USM team that ran the ball the entire game wasn't a good effort. They need to do a lot better than that against WKU.

I looked it up. Tiebreakers in Big 12 are head-to-head in a 3-way tie, and then you basically look at who your losses are going down the standings. The only way there would be a 3-way tie is if OU loses at home to Iowa State and then beats Oklahoma State, or State loses at Tech and then beats OU (with Baylor winning its final two vs Kansas State and Tech).

But even in that 3-way tie scenario, Baylor is going to have the worst loss with its loss at TCU.

Don't think about it just in terms of sorting out the top spot in the conference. It also applies to the other team who plays in the conference title game (if the regular season champion has just 1 league loss), and I always believed THAT is what Aranda had in mind. I believe there are a few possibilities when trying to sort out an eventual second place.

(11-14-2021 07:12 PM)gsloth Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:04 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(11-13-2021 06:49 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Baylor beats OU 27-14 in a game that their students (including my daughter) rushed the field twice. Apparently, BU calls timeout with 3 seconds left and no one realized it right away so they rushed the field. After they finally cleared the field, Baylor attempts a field goal (which they claim they had to do because it was the 3rd tie-breaker in case the conference has multiple two loss teams). After they made the FG, they rushed the field a second time.

OU was pissed but who cares. I would like to know what the 1st two tie-breakers are, and if the 3rd tie-breaker would actually come into play.

UTSA holds off an upset-minded (and QB injury-depleted) USM team. They are now just 1 of 3 undefeated teams, but barely beating a USM team that ran the ball the entire game wasn't a good effort. They need to do a lot better than that against WKU.

I looked it up. Tiebreakers in Big 12 are head-to-head in a 3-way tie, and then you basically look at who your losses are going down the standings. The only way there would be a 3-way tie is if OU loses at home to Iowa State and then beats Oklahoma State, or State loses at Tech and then beats OU (with Baylor winning its final two vs Kansas State and Tech).

But even in that 3-way tie scenario, Baylor is going to have the worst loss with its loss at TCU.

Don't think about it just in terms of sorting out the top spot in the conference. It also applies to the other team who plays in the conference title game (if the regular season champion has just 1 league loss), and I always believed THAT is what Aranda had in mind. I believe there are a few possibilities when trying to sort out an eventual second place.

Possibly if they use those tie-breakers to figure out bowls, then I can understand it. But I'm still confused. If OSU beats OU in two weeks and there is a 3-way tie, they are the #1 team for sure (because they would have wins over OU and BU). And then won't Baylor be the 2 seed because of the win over OU? Likewise, if OSU wins out and is the #1 seed, and BU and OU tie for 2nd, BU is the 2 seed.

The only scenario that I think gives everyone a 1-1 record where multiple tie-breakers come into play is OU loses to Iowa State next week and then beats OSU (and Baylor wins out). Then the 1st tie-breaker is moot, but I think on the 2nd tie-breaker, Baylor still is the odd team out because their 2nd loss would have been to a TCU team that will definitely have a worse record than Iowa State (and that would have been OSU's 2nd loss as well).

So I can't imagine a scenario where that 3rd tie-breaker would come into play to determine the Big 12 conference game participants. Perhaps as I said, if it is used to determine bowl positions, then the field goal try makes sense?

(11-13-2021 09:27 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Too bad the Owls play Texas in Sept and not Nov.

Sure. But good thing we played USM back then.

(11-14-2021 07:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 07:12 PM)gsloth Wrote:  

(11-14-2021 09:04 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(11-13-2021 06:49 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Baylor beats OU 27-14 in a game that their students (including my daughter) rushed the field twice. Apparently, BU calls timeout with 3 seconds left and no one realized it right away so they rushed the field. After they finally cleared the field, Baylor attempts a field goal (which they claim they had to do because it was the 3rd tie-breaker in case the conference has multiple two loss teams). After they made the FG, they rushed the field a second time.

OU was pissed but who cares. I would like to know what the 1st two tie-breakers are, and if the 3rd tie-breaker would actually come into play.

UTSA holds off an upset-minded (and QB injury-depleted) USM team. They are now just 1 of 3 undefeated teams, but barely beating a USM team that ran the ball the entire game wasn't a good effort. They need to do a lot better than that against WKU.

I looked it up. Tiebreakers in Big 12 are head-to-head in a 3-way tie, and then you basically look at who your losses are going down the standings. The only way there would be a 3-way tie is if OU loses at home to Iowa State and then beats Oklahoma State, or State loses at Tech and then beats OU (with Baylor winning its final two vs Kansas State and Tech).

But even in that 3-way tie scenario, Baylor is going to have the worst loss with its loss at TCU.

Don't think about it just in terms of sorting out the top spot in the conference. It also applies to the other team who plays in the conference title game (if the regular season champion has just 1 league loss), and I always believed THAT is what Aranda had in mind. I believe there are a few possibilities when trying to sort out an eventual second place.

Possibly if they use those tie-breakers to figure out bowls, then I can understand it. But I'm still confused. If OSU beats OU in two weeks and there is a 3-way tie, they are the #1 team for sure (because they would have wins over OU and BU). And then won't Baylor be the 2 seed because of the win over OU? Likewise, if OSU wins out and is the #1 seed, and BU and OU tie for 2nd, BU is the 2 seed.

The only scenario that I think gives everyone a 1-1 record where multiple tie-breakers come into play is OU loses to Iowa State next week and then beats OSU (and Baylor wins out). Then the 1st tie-breaker is moot, but I think on the 2nd tie-breaker, Baylor still is the odd team out because their 2nd loss would have been to a TCU team that will definitely have a worse record than Iowa State (and that would have been OSU's 2nd loss as well).

So I can't imagine a scenario where that 3rd tie-breaker would come into play to determine the Big 12 conference game participants. Perhaps as I said, if it is used to determine bowl positions, then the field goal try makes sense?

For the second tie-breaker, Baylor has a likely advantage. It's evaluated from top to bottom of the standings: Baylor would get rewarded for having beaten Iowa State before they get punished for having lost to the worse team. ISU beating OU would give ISU at least 5 conference wins, guaranteeing that they're higher than TCU. It seems a arbitrary and even a bit perverse that the Baylor team in this tie with the worst loss advances through it because they beat a better team, ISU, that OU and OSU both lost to. Unlike a lot of the polls, there's actually more reward in this system for good wins than there is punishment for bad losses.

This whole scenario also depends on the exact outcomes of five games over the next two weeks, so this could easily wind up a moot point, but if it plays out, Baylor gets the 1 seed to break the three-way tie, and OU gets the 2 seed on head-to-head in Bedlam. It would be very on brand for OSU to have only one loss going into Thanksgiving weekend and fall from 1st to 3rd and likely out of the NY6 behind a two-loss OU.